NOAA Hottest Year on Record: 1997 62F

[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL

drank Obama Kool Aid

The average is 56.9. Is 62F bigger or smaller than that and by how much.

LOL

Oh come on now, I nailed westwall on that same lie in another thread below that you also posted in, and he wasn't stupid enough to repeat it! I even have the same things highlighted that show that 2 different baselines were used in your lie.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15281710/

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline.

You think the 1961-1990 average was 5 degrees higher than the average for the entire 20th Century?
You have a link to back up that claim?

The link was already provided. Why didn't you click on it?

Here it is again:

Global Analysis - Annual 2015 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

The link doesn't show the 1961-1990 average was 5 degrees higher than the average for the entire 20th Century.

Try again?

 

[Pogo]

Haha, don't think so. I've got like 83 degrees here with tomatoes still coming. It's been a long long summer. I'm on my second round of vegetables. On the other hand two years ago I was running the wood stove on October fourth, and that doesn't run until it dips below at the most 30. This year? Still running fans and keeping all the windows open.

It's impossible to gauge a trend that takes centuries by looking at the last 19 years. That's absurd. But the contrast of extremes from year to year as I just laid out above does indicate something unnatural. Last year winter didn't arrive until like January.

But as long as we're here, why doncha edumacate me on the reasoning behind all this ----

---- what exactly is the point in making excuses for polluters? What do you get out of doing it? You think they're gonna pay you or sump'm?

I ignored this because it was totally off topic. You didn't even read the OP

No I think you ignored it because you can't think of an answer, because you never thought about it before.

And of course I read the OP. How the hell could I take specific issue with it if I hadn't?

So the question stands --- what do you have to gain from running around doing polluters' work for them? You realize you're working for them for free, right?

Seriously, you're in an alternate universe. It's a simple math concept

Exactly it is. You work for "zero". Laying out lines of Koch for nothing.
Whelp --- good luck wit dat.

What is the temperature associated with any of these "Baselines"?

No idea. Numbers just ain't my thing, man. Psychology is.
That's why I axed the question I did. Which still sits there unmolested.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I ignored this because it was totally off topic. You didn't even read the OP

No I think you ignored it because you can't think of an answer, because you never thought about it before.

And of course I read the OP. How the hell could I take specific issue with it if I hadn't?

So the question stands --- what do you have to gain from running around doing polluters' work for them? You realize you're working for them for free, right?

Seriously, you're in an alternate universe. It's a simple math concept

Exactly it is. You work for "zero". Laying out lines of Koch for nothing.
Whelp --- good luck wit dat.

What is the temperature associated with any of these "Baselines"?

No idea. Numbers just ain't my thing, man. Psychology is.
That's why I axed the question I did. Which still sits there unmolested.

Ax a ques-shun in the same reality as the OP and I'll answer

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That's odd, they keep talking about a baseline but they don't seem to know what it means

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I ignored this because it was totally off topic. You didn't even read the OP

No I think you ignored it because you can't think of an answer, because you never thought about it before.

And of course I read the OP. How the hell could I take specific issue with it if I hadn't?

So the question stands --- what do you have to gain from running around doing polluters' work for them? You realize you're working for them for free, right?

Seriously, you're in an alternate universe. It's a simple math concept

Exactly it is. You work for "zero". Laying out lines of Koch for nothing.
Whelp --- good luck wit dat.

What is the temperature associated with any of these "Baselines"?

No idea. Numbers just ain't my thing, man. Psychology is.
That's why I axed the question I did. Which still sits there unmolested.

Need a hint?

56.9F

 

[Billy_Bob]

You already posted the answer to that in your Op which you pretend to be too stupid to understand so you can continue to lie.

From your OP:

Please note: the estimate for the baseline global temperature used in this study differed, and was warmer than, the baseline estimate (Jones et al., 1999) used currently. This report has been superseded by subsequent analyses. However, as with all climate monitoring reports, it is left online as it was written at the time.

You still think that anomalies overwrite average temperature

That is YOUR lie, not mine.

So you agree that the 1997 temperature was 62F

If you agree that 2015 was more than 62.45F using the same 1961-1990 baseline.
According to WMO using the 1961-1990 baseline 2015 was 62.78F

http://ane4bf-datap1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wmocms/s3fs-public/news/multimedia/pr 2_1_0.png

Will 2016 reach 63f?

NO...

As of today it is statistically impossible without fabricating 1.3 deg C positive anomaly for the next three months..

Graph Source

 

[edthecynic]

Oh come on now, I nailed westwall on that same lie in another thread below that you also posted in, and he wasn't stupid enough to repeat it! I even have the same things highlighted that show that 2 different baselines were used in your lie.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/posts/15281710/

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline.

You think the 1961-1990 average was 5 degrees higher than the average for the entire 20th Century?
You have a link to back up that claim?

The link was already provided. Why didn't you click on it?

Here it is again:

Global Analysis - Annual 2015 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

The link doesn't show the 1961-1990 average was 5 degrees higher than the average for the entire 20th Century.

Try again?

It does if you go back to 1997 the last year NOAA used the 1961-1990 baseline. The Right need to be hand held for everything!
Try again.

 

[edthecynic]

You still think that anomalies overwrite average temperature

That is YOUR lie, not mine.

So you agree that the 1997 temperature was 62F

If you agree that 2015 was more than 62.45F using the same 1961-1990 baseline.
According to WMO using the 1961-1990 baseline 2015 was 62.78F

http://ane4bf-datap1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wmocms/s3fs-public/news/multimedia/pr 2_1_0.png

Will 2016 reach 63f?

NO...

As of today it is statistically impossible without fabricating 1.3 deg C positive anomaly for the next three months..

Graph Source

Hogwash!

UAH is not ground temperature, but even Spencer admits he would need steady cooling in the last 4 months of 2016 to just tie 1998.

UAH Global Temperature Update for August, 2016: +0.44 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD
To see how we are now progressing toward a record warm year in the satellite data, the following chart shows the average rate of cooling for the rest of 2016 that would be required to tie 1998 as warmest year in the 38-year satellite record:

 

[cnm]

Try looking at the historical temp record going back 100 years and you will see it is nothing unusual.

funny you should say that...

Data.GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: Analysis Graphs and Plots

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You drank the Kool-aid

How was the 62F arrived at, was it directly measured?

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline.

You think the 1961-1990 average was 5 degrees higher than the average for the entire 20th Century?
You have a link to back up that claim?

The link was already provided. Why didn't you click on it?

Here it is again:

Global Analysis - Annual 2015 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

The link doesn't show the 1961-1990 average was 5 degrees higher than the average for the entire 20th Century.

Try again?

It does if you go back to 1997 the last year NOAA used the 1961-1990 baseline. The Right need to be hand held for everything!
Try again.

Yes, anytime liberals want to spend $76 trillion on windmills, we're going to want you to walk us through the data.

 

[Old Rocks]

Like Trump, you just can't stop yourself from lying.
As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline. Using the same 20th century baseline for both years, the only honest way of doing it which is why no denier will ever do it that way, 2015 was 0.7°F warmer than 1997.

As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline.

You think the 1961-1990 average was 5 degrees higher than the average for the entire 20th Century?
You have a link to back up that claim?

The link was already provided. Why didn't you click on it?

Here it is again:

Global Analysis - Annual 2015 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

The link doesn't show the 1961-1990 average was 5 degrees higher than the average for the entire 20th Century.

Try again?

It does if you go back to 1997 the last year NOAA used the 1961-1990 baseline. The Right need to be hand held for everything!
Try again.

Yes, anytime liberals want to spend $76 trillion on windmills, we're going to want you to walk us through the data.

Perhaps you can give us a link where there is a proposal to spend 75 trillion on windmills?

 

[cnm]

Warmers dont know the difference between a measurement and a baseline. They mistakenly believe that the baseline alters the direct temperature measurement.

You are an unbelievably ignorant rightard dumb **** bloviating away on subjects of which you know nothing, even when your basic errors are pointed out to you.

The temperature for your supposed record year was derived by adding the anomaly for the year to the 30 year average/baseline.

This is pointed out at the start of the document, which has been pointed out to you multiple times, but which you are too thick to grasp.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As you well know, your 62F was measured using a 30 year average from 1961 to 1990, it is right in YOUR graphic! The 56.9F average you are comparing it to uses the 20th CENTURY baseline.

You think the 1961-1990 average was 5 degrees higher than the average for the entire 20th Century?
You have a link to back up that claim?

The link was already provided. Why didn't you click on it?

Here it is again:

Global Analysis - Annual 2015 | State of the Climate | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)

The link doesn't show the 1961-1990 average was 5 degrees higher than the average for the entire 20th Century.

Try again?

It does if you go back to 1997 the last year NOAA used the 1961-1990 baseline. The Right need to be hand held for everything!
Try again.

Yes, anytime liberals want to spend $76 trillion on windmills, we're going to want you to walk us through the data.

Perhaps you can give us a link where there is a proposal to spend 75 trillion on windmills?

The survey says $1.9 trillion per year will be needed over the next 40 years for incremental investments in green technologies. At least $1.1 trillion of that will need to be made in developing countries to meet increasing food and energy demands.

UN News - New industrial revolution needed to avert ‘planetary catastrophe’ – UN report

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Warmers dont know the difference between a measurement and a baseline. They mistakenly believe that the baseline alters the direct temperature measurement.

You are an unbelievably ignorant rightard dumb **** bloviating away on subjects of which you know nothing, even when your basic errors are pointed out to you.

The temperature for your supposed record year was derived by adding the anomaly for the year to the 30 year average/baseline.

This is pointed out at the start of the document, which has been pointed out to you multiple times, but which you are too thick to grasp.

So what you're saying is that to measure the "global average temperature in 1997" they didn't even use thermometers, they just added some random numbers to the baseline?

How was the 1997 average temperature derived?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

That is YOUR lie, not mine.

So you agree that the 1997 temperature was 62F

If you agree that 2015 was more than 62.45F using the same 1961-1990 baseline.
According to WMO using the 1961-1990 baseline 2015 was 62.78F

http://ane4bf-datap1.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/wmocms/s3fs-public/news/multimedia/pr 2_1_0.png

Will 2016 reach 63f?

NO...

As of today it is statistically impossible without fabricating 1.3 deg C positive anomaly for the next three months..

Graph Source

Hogwash!

UAH is not ground temperature, but even Spencer admits he would need steady cooling in the last 4 months of 2016 to just tie 1998.

UAH Global Temperature Update for August, 2016: +0.44 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD
To see how we are now progressing toward a record warm year in the satellite data, the following chart shows the average rate of cooling for the rest of 2016 that would be required to tie 1998 as warmest year in the 38-year satellite record:

^ Chart shows a 2 decade pause in temperature

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Try looking at the historical temp record going back 100 years and you will see it is nothing unusual.

funny you should say that...

Data.GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: Analysis Graphs and Plots

If you're off by 5F in 1997, how accurate was the baseline measure in 1880?

 

[cnm]

How was the 1997 average temperature derived?

I imagine the average anomaly for that year was added to the average/baseline temperature.

 

[cnm]

If you're off by 5F in 1997, how accurate was the baseline measure in 1880?

All you do is reveal more of your ignorance while you bloviate on matters of which you have not a clue and will not be told.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

If you're off by 5F in 1997, how accurate was the baseline measure in 1880?

All you do is reveal more of your ignorance while you bloviate on matters of which you have not a clue and will not be told.

How do you have temperature readings accurate to a tenth of degree from 1880?

Can you share the data?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How was the 1997 average temperature derived?

I imagine the average anomaly for that year was added to the average/baseline temperature.

Did the use an anomolymomoter, is that different than a thermometer, you know the thing they use to actually measure temperature