NO Surprise! Obama is still 3.9 million jobs LESS the Bush in 2007!

[rightwinger]

I love when republicans play this selective memory game

Bush kept us safe for seven years....let's not talk about the first year
Bush had a great economy for seven year........just ignore the eighth

 

[healthmyths]

The OP excludes the Bush portion of the job loss in the 2008-2009 recession,

but includes the Obama portion in Obama's numbers.

The OP also leaves out massive Bush spending..like creating a whole new department in government (Department of Homeland Security) or new Entitlement in Medicare which also required new hires.

OH boy am I GLAD yOU brought THAT up dummies... HERE AGAIN ARE FACTS from the government!!!
You said: "republican president and Congress were creating massive deficits"
Where are your facts supporting this hyperbole and don't say "well every one knows" because obviously you don't!

• Year Outlays Revenues Surplus/(deficit) more going out then coming in..
• 2000 $2.026 Trillion $ 1.789 Trillion $236.2 billion
• 2001 1.991 1.862 126.6
• 2002 1.853 2.010 (157.8 billion deficit) $5 trillion dot.com busts $66 billion in reduced revenue - 300,000 mostly high paying jobs gone Recession started 3/01 ended 11/01.
• 2003 1.782 2.159 (377.6 billion deficit) $2 trillion 9/11 losses - $33 billion LOST TAX revenue PLUS loans , plus 146,000 jobs GONE
• 2004 1.880 2.252 (412.7 billion deficit) $600 billion in Homeland startup costs
• 2005 2.153 2.472 (318.3 billion deficit) $1 trillion from worst hurricane SEASONS in history $12 billion lost revenue
• 2006 2.406 2.655 (248.2 billion deficit)
• 2007 2.568 2.728 (160.7 billion deficit)
• 2008 2.524 2.982 (458.6 billion deficit)

BUT NOTE revenue was increasing and deficits were declining..

• Year Receipts Outlays deficit % Outlays increase
• 2011 $ 2.303 $3.603 $1.300
• 2012 2.469 3.796 $1.327 5.4% up
• 2013 2.902 3.803 $ .981 .2% up
• 2014 3.215 3.883 $ .668 2.1% up
• 2015 3.450 4.060 $ .610 4.6% up

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/budget.pdf

AND YOU idiots!!!
YOU ONLY obviously know ONE part of the 2003 Medicare Modernization ACT (MMA) which is what only simpletons getting your news from BIASED MSM!
A)Medicare Advantage Plans:MY personal direct BENEFIT that Costs Medicare NOTHING in waste fraud and abuse coming from MMA SAVES ME over $3,000 a year and Obama will take that away.
Obama hates any profits. My ADVANTAGE plan Makes a profit, PAYS TAXES and SAVES Medicare money.
Medicare Advantage evil profiteers, charge Medicare $800 per month for ALL MY Medicare expenses. That's it. My Advantage plan calls me regularly reminding me to see my doctor.
My plan provides me with $600 a year in OTC supplies. My Advantage plan has no co-pays! Everything that is good and economical will be taken away by Obama because he HATES PROFITS!

B) The MMA also STREAMLINED MEDICARE which you idiots have no Idea what I mean but I'll try to educate you.
Prior to MMA, Medicare had never paid a single claim themselves. Medicare contracted with nearly 1,000 distinct Medicare contractors.
For example in Florida Part A hospitals claims sent to First Coast. Part B doctors claims to Highmark. DME claims some other contractor... 1,000 different contractors.
Today there are less then 12 distinct Medicare Administrative Contractors.. CHECK IT OUT!!...https://pecos.cms.hhs.gov/pecos/help-docs/Medicare FFS Contact Information.pdf
Streamlining Medicare , cutting down on waste !
C) The least impactful was the Drug Plan which you and the ignorant MSM seemed to think MOST important!!!

In fact, Part D costs are 40 percent below where the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) initially predicted. Over the past six years, the CBO has lowered its
long-term cost projections for Part D by hundreds of billions of dollars.
For example, in early 2004, the Medicare trustees estimated that net federal Part D costs would equal about $348 billion between 2006 and 2010;
actual costs were about $149 billion less
Similarly, at the time of the drug benefit's enactment, CBO expected net federal Part D costs of $283 billion between 2006 and 2010;
actual costs were about $84 billion below that.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3775
LOWERED then CBO projected!!! HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU EVER HEARD THAT regarding a Federal program??? "LOWER then the CBO"????

So once again FACTS trump speculation! Hysteria. NONSENSE spewed by totally ignorant people like you dummies that seem to forget these EVENTS have never happened in one presidency!

A) 2000 to 2001 $5 trillion dot.com busts $66 billion in reduced revenue - 300,000 mostly high paying jobs gone and a Recession started 3/01 ended 11/01!
B) Geez do you remember a little ole event called "9/11"? Costs $2 trillion - $33 billion LOST TAX revenue PLUS loans , plus 146,000 jobs GONE!
C) Evidently ALL you can remember is Katrina BUT it was the WORST SEASONS in history and in one presidency..
$1 trillion from worst hurricane SEASONS in history $12 billion lost revenue..
Of the top 36 hurricanes since 1926 13 occurred from 2001 to 2008.
Of the total of $316 billion in damages these 13 cost 58% of that or $156 billion.
# 1Katrina (LA/MS/AL/SE FL) 2005 3 $81,000,000,000
# 3 through 7 hurricanes occurred from 2001 to 2008!
a) There were 26 named storms in 2005, surpassing the record of 21 set in 1933
b) Three of the hurricanes in the 2005 season reached Category 5 status, meaning they had wind speeds greater than 155 mph at some point during the arc of the storm.
but we've never had three," said Steve Kiser, a tropical cyclone program manger at the National Weather Service.
Costliest U.S. Hurricanes | Weather Underground

Why do you IDIOTS continue to spout the same old IGNORANT CLICHED even conservatives do about Bush spending like a "drunken sailor" WHEN THE FACTS total refute your stupidity?
Bush's DEFICITS were going down AFTER the trauma of Dot.com losses, 9/11 and even during Katrina.. the Deficit was at the getting less!

I am constantly amazed why you idiots put yourselves out there to be so exposed for your STUPID unsubstantiated COMMENTS other then you rely totally on OLD FASHION CLICHED laden
CBS/ABC/NBC evening news! YOU still think those anchors are the MOST TRUSTED???
FACT 85% of the above networks senior execs, broadcast people, etc. GAVE over $1,000,000 to Obama/Democrats in 2008!
http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/28/o...etwork-execs-writers-reporters/#ixzz2O598MhzN
ARE you guys that stupid that you can't understand when the MSM BASHED Bush they did so out of well hear READ WHAT AN joke Editor of NewsWeek said:

Evan Thomas Editor of NewsWeek's quotes Well, our job is to bash the president, that's what we do." --
Evan Thomas responding to a question on whether the media's unfair to Bush on the TV talk show Inside Washington,
February 2, 2007.Newsweek's Evan Thomas: 'Our Job Is To Bash the President' | NewsBusters

But that will never happen under Obama because this hardened, grizzled NewsWeek editor's response about Obama???

I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God."
Evan Thomas on Hardball, Newsweek?s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ?Sort of God? | NewsBusters

DO YOU THINK Thomas like 85% of the reporters,etc. at ABC,CBS,NBC consider Obama a "god" that needed their donations?

 

[Old Rocks]

kidrocks wrote this entirely unsubstantiated bald face LIE:
"Surprise! Obama Is Creating More New Jobs Than George W. Bush "

This idiot didn't substantiate his numbers... just threw some stupid comment without showing or sourcing!
He pulled numbers out of his ASS!

I went to the authorized source of Labor statistics: Table B-1. Employees on nonfarm payrolls by industry sector and selected industry detail [In thousands]
Downloaded a spreadsheet that contained actual REAL numbers of people working from 2001 end of Bush's first year to Obama's 2012.
Here are the results and IF YOU don't believe me GO to the above source!

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
Original Data Value

Series Id: CEU0000000001
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector:Total nonfarm
Industry: Total nonfarm
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

• Years:2001 to 2013
• 2001 131,919,000
• 2002 130,450,000 decrease 1,469,000 (due to recession, 9/11, dot com bust cost 1 million jobs!)
• 2003 130,100,000 decrease 350,000
• 2004 131,509,000 increase 1,409,000
• 2005 133,747,000 increase 2,238,000
• 2006 136,125,000 increase 2,378,000
• 2007 137,645,000 increase 1,520,000
• 2008 136,852,000 decrease 793,000

end of Obama first year

• 2009 130,876,000 decrease 5,976,000
• 2010 129,917,000 decrease 959,000
• 2011 131,497,000 increase 1,580,000
• 2012 133,739,000 increase 2,242,000

NO WHERE in the REAL numbers has Obama come close to Bush's largest number of people employed in HISTORY in 2007 with 137,645,000!

PLUS ... Obama has NOT had ONE event equal any of the events Bush had to endure!

At the end of 8 years Bush had created 4,933,000 jobs AFTER having gone through the WORST experiences that NO president had ever endured which included:

400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
145,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.

Over 845,000 jobs LOST due to events that NOT one President has ever had in their 8 years! Some Presidents have had bad weather, some attacks on USA,
some a depression... BUT NOT all of those events occurred in one 8 year administration! NEVER!!!

DID THIS HAPPEN??
1) Dot.com bust cost $5 trillion in lost market value.. this means every year for 30 years now starting in 2000 the federal revenue is over $20 billion written off against taxes owed.
How many people LOST jobs due to the bust??
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies. More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

DID THIS HAPPEN??
2) Did YOU forget that 9/11 occurred and it cost $2 trillion over the next 30 years again $8 billion will NOT BE PAiD.. was that Bush's fault?
Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York!!
Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone.
Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the The Top 10 Financial Events of the Decade

DID THIS HAPPEN??
3) $1 trillion in written off losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history!
The worst Katrina made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages. Andrew slammed into South Florida in 1992 as a Category 5. It caused 40 deaths and $30 billion in property damage. More than 250,000 people were left homeless and 82,000 businesses were destroyed or damaged.
Hurricane Katrina ALONE! Year 2005: Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
On August 25, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast of the U.S. as a strong Category 3 or low Category 4 storm. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.

Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done. 400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. Many of the jobs and homes were never to be recovered. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and over 1,000 were killed and more are missing. The effect on oil and gasoline prices was long-lasting.

Costliest U.S. Hurricanes | Weather Underground

400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
145,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.

Almost 1 million jobs alone from those 3 events

All of this while having almost $60 billion a year in tax revenue due to the above losses !

AGAIN would the idiot "kidrocks" that wrote this thread "Surprise! Obama Is Creating More New Jobs Than George W. Bush "
PLEASE refute ANY of the above sourced information!!!

LOL. So you want to lay the over 6 and 1/2 millions jobs lost to the GOP Recession/Depression at President Obama's door? Yes, you would certainly like to do that.

But it is not going to work. Not even in big red letters. Bush's job record is a major loss because of the economic disaster created on his watch.

 

[healthmyths]

Bush was great for the economy!

That's what he'll be remembered for right? Being a miraculous fountain of job creation?

BUT you did NOT address any of the points I substantiated!

YOU tell a stupid ass joke which again just shows the sophomoric idiocy of people who can't read!

You clowns have obviously Forgotten the 8 years when 4 major events occurred that have NEVER occurred in any Presidency as they did with Bush!
And you joke???
Putzes like are just plain useless.
Did you know read much less remember that Bush faced those events, kept our country going in spite of dot.com/recession/9/11/worst hurricanes and
you don't give any credit for our making it through that period... and being better after then Obama has us now???
Obama doesn't create jobs...he destroys them!
Ask the coal industry what they think of Obama's "job creation"???
Ask the 41% of small businesses that ARE CUTTING peoples hours because of Obamacare's destruction of the health care system causing fewer hours!
AND YOU don't understand any of that do you!

The coal industry was destroyed by wall street by pushing natural gas prices to the lowest level since the 70's.

So like most idiots... YOU find ONE single factor as the ONE single cause of destruction???

Obviously YOU are not a coal mine owner like this guy!!!

“If they want to create jobs, provide health insurance, and increase revenue,” Bryant said in reference to the federal government, “they need to back down on the regulatory burden. It’s like pulling an iron ball with a chain. I’m not saying to make it go away—just the stuff that’s not pertinent or useful.”
Terry Douglas, who owns two mines in Jasper with Bryant, said it costs them about $250,000 per mine in permit fees alone and that paperwork and regulatory inspections are a constant presence (as well as an additional revenue strain). When asked about typical concerns surrounding coal mining—including companies skirting health and safety regulations—Douglas said it “doesn’t make sense” to let safety lapse and risk losing miners to illness or injury when it would only cost more to train new personnel.
“We take care of our equipment and take care of our people,” Douglas said. “The regulations make coal miners out to be criminals; but we’re not outlaws. Coal mining is an art. I have a civil engineering degree; Ronnie has a mining engineering degree.
Bryant pointed to less stringent environmental regulations in countries such as China, saying that the U.S. is falling behind even though it has abundant resources. “But you can’t get to them,” he said, adding that while there are concerns over dwindling wildlife populations, “people are becoming the endangered species.”
Gwendolyn Keyes Fleming, regional administrator for EPA’s Southeast Region, attended the Birmingham public hearing but could not be reached for comment.
?Right Out of Atlas Shrugged?: Hear an Exasperated Alabama Businessman Tell the Feds ? ?I?m Just Quitting? | TheBlaze.com

In its statement, UtahAmerican Energy blames the Obama administration for instituting policies that will close down "204 American coal-fired power plants by 2014."
"There is nowhere to sell our coal, and when we can, the market prices are far lower," the statement said. "Without markets, there can be no coal mines and no coal jobs."
Utah company blames Pres. Obama for 102 workers laid off | ksl.com

"Two new EPA pollution regulations will slam the coal industry so hard that hundreds of thousands of jobs will be lost, and electric rates will skyrocket 11 percent to over 23 percent, according to a new study based on government data. Overall, the rules aimed at making the air cleaner could cost the coal-fired power plant industry $180 billion.
Coal Regs Would Kill Jobs, Boost Energy Bills - Washington Whispers (usnews.com)


The company, one of the country’s largest electric utilities, estimated that it will cost between $6 billion and $8 billion in capital investments over the next decade to comply
with the regulations in their current form.
The costs of complying with the regulations will result in an increase in electricity prices of 10 to 35 percent and cost 600 jobs, AEP said.

In total, AEP estimated it will have to close five coal-fired power plants by the end of 2014. Six additional plants would see major changes, including
retiring some generating units, retrofitting equipment and switching to natural gas.
Utility giant AEP says it will close five coal plants to comply with EPA regs - The Hill's E2-Wire

So PLEASE refrain from single cause simpleton statements and substantiate also like I do!!!

 

[pinqy]

kidrocks wrote this entirely unsubstantiated bald face LIE:
"Surprise! Obama Is Creating More New Jobs Than George W. Bush "

This idiot didn't substantiate his numbers... just threw some stupid comment without showing or sourcing!
He pulled numbers out of his ASS!

I went to the authorized source of Labor statistics: Table B-1. Employees on nonfarm payrolls by industry sector and selected industry detail [In thousands]
Downloaded a spreadsheet that contained actual REAL numbers of people working from 2001 end of Bush's first year to Obama's 2012.
Here are the results and IF YOU don't believe me GO to the above source!

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
Original Data Value

Series Id: CEU0000000001
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector:Total nonfarm
Industry: Total nonfarm
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

• Years:2001 to 2013
• 2001 131,919,000
• 2002 130,450,000 decrease 1,469,000 (due to recession, 9/11, dot com bust cost 1 million jobs!)
• 2003 130,100,000 decrease 350,000
• 2004 131,509,000 increase 1,409,000
• 2005 133,747,000 increase 2,238,000
• 2006 136,125,000 increase 2,378,000
• 2007 137,645,000 increase 1,520,000
• 2008 136,852,000 decrease 793,000

end of Obama first year

• 2009 130,876,000 decrease 5,976,000
• 2010 129,917,000 decrease 959,000
• 2011 131,497,000 increase 1,580,000
• 2012 133,739,000 increase 2,242,000

You say end of the year, but you're actuually showing the annual average and the change of the annual average. So let's look at the actual year changes..January to January, using the Not Seasonally Adjusted numbers (best for annual averages and changes between the same month of different years.
Jan-01: 130,527,000
Jan-02: 128,706,000 change of: -1,821,000
Jan-03: 128,358,000 change of: -348,000
Jan-04: 128,458,000 change of: 100,000
Jan-05: 130,423,000 change of: 1,965,000

Total change Bush's first term: -104,000

Jan-06: 133,000,000 change of: 2,577,000
Jan-07: 134,994,000 change of: 1,994,000
Jan-08: 135,896,000 change of: 902,000
Jan-09: 131,627,000 change of: -4,269,000

Total change Bush's second term: +1,204,000
Total change Jan 2001-Jan 2005: +1,100,000

Jan-10: 127,374,000 change of: -4,253,000
Jan-11: 128,338,000 change of: +964,000
Jan-12: 130,657,000 change of: +2,319,000
Jan-13: 132,704,000 change of: +2,047,000

Total change Obama's first term: +1,077,000

So, while not yet back up to the pre-recession height, the job gains under Obama's first term were about the same as for Bush's two terms.

But wait, we also have the numbers for February, March, April, and May of 2013. We'll switch to the Seasonally adjusted numbers because we're comparing different months (not seasonally adjusted change from Jan 2013 to May 2013 is +3,663,000 but that's distorted by normal seasonal spring hiring).
Seasonally adjusted 2013
Jan-13: 134,839,000 (note that this is a lot higher than the unadjusted number because there's always a lot of seasonal job loss in January).
Feb-13: 135,171,000 change of +332,000
Mar-13: 135,313,000 change of +142,000
Apr-13: 135,462,000c hange of +149,000 (will be revised July 5th)
May-13: 135,637,000 change of +175,000 (will be revised July 5th)

Total change Jan 2013 to May 2013 of 798,000
Total seasonally adjusted change from Jan 2009 (133,631,000) is +2,006,000

Again, not back up to pre-recession numbers but better.

But it's not a simple matter of saying "Bush did this and Obama did that"...Bush had two recessions, one at the beginning of his time in office and one at the end. By the end of his first term job numbers were still down, but they recovered very well, until hit by a second recession.

And really, how much can we say either President is responsible for jobs? It's all indirect.

 

[Edgetho]

Bottom line.....

There are now 3.9 Million fewer jobs than when the Stuttering Clusterfukk took office. Period

Suck on it, dimocrap scum.

And you think it's bad now?

Wait until 11 Million hungry, unskilled workers hit the Market!!!

dimocraps think they're guaranteeing themselves millions of votes when all they're doing is guaranteeing themselves....................... Problems. REAL problems.

Not talking about women killing their unborn babies or getting free birth control or butt-rangers holding hands in public and calling each other husband and wife...

I'm talking REAL problems

Maybe that's what they want. Who knows?

 

[rightwinger]

Bottom line.....

There are now 3.9 Million fewer jobs than when the Stuttering Clusterfukk took office. Period

Suck on it, dimocrap scum.

And you think it's bad now?

Wait until 11 Million hungry, unskilled workers hit the Market!!!

dimocraps think they're guaranteeing themselves millions of votes when all they're doing is guaranteeing themselves....................... Problems. REAL problems.

Not talking about women killing their unborn babies or getting free birth control or butt-rangers holding hands in public and calling each other husband and wife...

I'm talking REAL problems

Maybe that's what they want. Who knows?

link

 

[healthmyths]

Bottom line.....

There are now 3.9 Million fewer jobs than when the Stuttering Clusterfukk took office. Period

Suck on it, dimocrap scum.

And you think it's bad now?

Wait until 11 Million hungry, unskilled workers hit the Market!!!

dimocraps think they're guaranteeing themselves millions of votes when all they're doing is guaranteeing themselves....................... Problems. REAL problems.

Not talking about women killing their unborn babies or getting free birth control or butt-rangers holding hands in public and calling each other husband and wife...

I'm talking REAL problems

Maybe that's what they want. Who knows?

link

I went to the authorized source of Labor statistics:http://www.bls.gov/ces/ NOTE YOU have to ask for the file from this source
Downloaded a spreadsheet that contained actual REAL numbers of people working from 2001 end of Bush's first year to 2012 end of Obama's first year.
Here are the results and IF YOU don't believe me GO to the above source!

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
Original Data Value

Series Id: CEU0000000001
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector:Total nonfarm
Industry: Total nonfarm
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

• Years:2001 to 2013
• 2001 131,919,000
• 2002 130,450,000 decrease 1,469,000 (due to recession, 9/11, dot com bust cost 1 million jobs!)
• 2003 130,100,000 decrease 350,000
• 2004 131,509,000 increase 1,409,000
• 2005 133,747,000 increase 2,238,000
• 2006 136,125,000 increase 2,378,000
• 2007 137,645,000 increase 1,520,000
• 2008 136,852,000 decrease 793,000

end of Obama first year

• 2009 130,876,000 decrease 5,976,000
• 2010 129,917,000 decrease 959,000
• 2011 131,497,000 increase 1,580,000
• 2012 133,739,000 increase 2,242,000

NO WHERE in the REAL numbers has Obama come close to Bush's largest number of people employed in HISTORY in 2007 with 137,645,000!

 

[jgarden]

NO Surprise! Obama is still 3.9 million jobs LESS the Bush in 2007!

Perhaps the OP would care to compare the robust American economy and federal budget surplus that GW Bush inherited from Clinton with the financial meltdown and massive budget deficits that Obama inherited from Bush!

GWB isn't ranked as the 34th best president for nothing - the lowest ranking since Warren Harding!

 

[rightwinger]

Bottom line.....

There are now 3.9 Million fewer jobs than when the Stuttering Clusterfukk took office. Period

Suck on it, dimocrap scum.

And you think it's bad now?

Wait until 11 Million hungry, unskilled workers hit the Market!!!

dimocraps think they're guaranteeing themselves millions of votes when all they're doing is guaranteeing themselves....................... Problems. REAL problems.

Not talking about women killing their unborn babies or getting free birth control or butt-rangers holding hands in public and calling each other husband and wife...

I'm talking REAL problems

Maybe that's what they want. Who knows?

link

I went to the authorized source of Labor statistics:Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National) Home Page NOTE YOU have to ask for the file from this source
Downloaded a spreadsheet that contained actual REAL numbers of people working from 2001 end of Bush's first year to 2012 end of Obama's first year.
Here are the results and IF YOU don't believe me GO to the above source!

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
Original Data Value

Series Id: CEU0000000001
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector:Total nonfarm
Industry: Total nonfarm
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

• Years:2001 to 2013
• 2001 131,919,000
• 2002 130,450,000 decrease 1,469,000 (due to recession, 9/11, dot com bust cost 1 million jobs!)
• 2003 130,100,000 decrease 350,000
• 2004 131,509,000 increase 1,409,000
• 2005 133,747,000 increase 2,238,000
• 2006 136,125,000 increase 2,378,000
• 2007 137,645,000 increase 1,520,000
• 2008 136,852,000 decrease 793,000

end of Obama first year

• 2009 130,876,000 decrease 5,976,000
• 2010 129,917,000 decrease 959,000
• 2011 131,497,000 increase 1,580,000
• 2012 133,739,000 increase 2,242,000

NO WHERE in the REAL numbers has Obama come close to Bush's largest number of people employed in HISTORY in 2007 with 137,645,000!

You know....its kind of like a poker player bragging how he was up $10,000 before he lost his house

 

[boilermaker55]

Let's see.........! Where to all the "BILLS" for Congress start. Oh yes, that is right in the HOUSE. Who is in charge of the house? That is right again, the right wing. Who is the party that ran on ..jobs, jobs, jobs, in the last 2 elections. That is right one more time the right wing. What "BILLS" have they passed or tried to pass. Wrong, not jobs "BILLS" but "BILLS" about Women's Rights and repealing ACA for the 36th time.
And the righties have filibustered a record number of times the last congressional session.
Keep all your bubble lies to yourself. Get some real information.

Shit get your head on straight. Blame those that need to be blamed.

Maybe if the Messiah would pay attention to what Americans need, jobs, and stop diddling around with gun control, global warming, crony capitalism, and address the real issues confronting America we would have a chance, nope big dummy in the woods has been exposed for what he is a charlatan who is capable only of remaining on the campaign trail. Someone should wake him up and tell him the election is over, and its time to get down to business. Whoops, business is a bad evil thing. Maybe this explains why he never had a real job?
Franco, smoking pot kills brain cells, and lord knows you don't have many left to waste.

 

[boilermaker55]

Good one

link

I went to the authorized source of Labor statistics:Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National) Home Page NOTE YOU have to ask for the file from this source
Downloaded a spreadsheet that contained actual REAL numbers of people working from 2001 end of Bush's first year to 2012 end of Obama's first year.
Here are the results and IF YOU don't believe me GO to the above source!

Employment, Hours, and Earnings from the Current Employment Statistics survey (National)
Original Data Value

Series Id: CEU0000000001
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector:Total nonfarm
Industry: Total nonfarm
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

• Years:2001 to 2013
• 2001 131,919,000
• 2002 130,450,000 decrease 1,469,000 (due to recession, 9/11, dot com bust cost 1 million jobs!)
• 2003 130,100,000 decrease 350,000
• 2004 131,509,000 increase 1,409,000
• 2005 133,747,000 increase 2,238,000
• 2006 136,125,000 increase 2,378,000
• 2007 137,645,000 increase 1,520,000
• 2008 136,852,000 decrease 793,000

end of Obama first year

• 2009 130,876,000 decrease 5,976,000
• 2010 129,917,000 decrease 959,000
• 2011 131,497,000 increase 1,580,000
• 2012 133,739,000 increase 2,242,000

NO WHERE in the REAL numbers has Obama come close to Bush's largest number of people employed in HISTORY in 2007 with 137,645,000!

You know....its kind of like a poker player bragging how he was up $10,000 before he lost his house

 

[healthmyths]

NO Surprise! Obama is still 3.9 million jobs LESS the Bush in 2007!

Perhaps the OP would care to compare the robust American economy and federal budget surplus that GW Bush inherited from Clinton with the financial meltdown and massive budget deficits that Obama inherited from Bush!

GWB is ranked as the 34th best president for nothing - the lowest ranking since Warren Harding!

I WILL!!!

These ARE THE FACTS about the Bush administration that HAD 4 gigantic cataclysmic EVENTS that NO president has ever had occur in their presidency in HISTORY!
TELL me these events DIDN"T OCCUR??

In spite of almost one million jobs destroyed during Dot.com bust, recession, 9/11 and worst hurricane SEASONS in history.. Bush average 5.3% unemployment!

Substantiation:

DID THIS HAPPEN??
1) Dot.com bust cost $5 trillion in lost market value.. this means every year for 30 years now starting in 2000 the federal revenue is over $20 billion written off against taxes owed.
How many people LOST jobs due to the bust??
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies. More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

DID THIS HAPPEN??
2) Did YOU forget that 9/11 occurred and it cost $2 trillion over the next 30 years again $8 billion will NOT BE PAiD.. was that Bush's fault?
Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York!!
Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone.
Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
The Top 10 Financial Events of the Decade

DID THIS HAPPEN??
3) $1 trillion in written off losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history!
The worst Katrina made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages. Andrew slammed into South Florida in 1992 as a Category 5. It caused 40 deaths and $30 billion in property damage. More than 250,000 people were left homeless and 82,000 businesses were destroyed or damaged.
Hurricane Katrina ALONE! Year 2005: Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
On August 25, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast of the U.S. as a strong Category 3 or low Category 4 storm. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.

Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done. 400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. Many of the jobs and homes were never to be recovered. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and over 1,000 were killed and more are missing. The effect on oil and gasoline prices was long-lasting.

400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
145,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.

Almost 1 million jobs alone from those 3 events

All of this while having almost $60 billion less a year in tax revenue due to the above losses !

FACT! The HIGHEST gross REVENUE to the Federal Government in HISTORY.. 2007 2,567,985,000 Revenues ; Expenses:$2,728,686,000 -160,701 deficit decline
Historical Tables | The White House

• Year Receipts Outlays Surplus or Deficit (&#8211
  [*]2000 2,025,191 1,788,950 236,241
  [*]2001 1,991,082 1,862,846 128,236 Dot.com Bust, 9/11, Recession
  [*]2002 1,853,136 2,010,894 -157,758
  [*]2003 1,782,314 2,159,899 -377,585 tax cuts took affect worst hurricanes SEASONS in history
  [*]2004 1,880,114 2,292,841 -412,727 biggest deficit..,, worst hurricanes SEASONS in history
  [*]2005 2,153,611 2,471,957 -318,346 deficit decline,,worst hurricanes SEASONS in history
  [*]2006 2,406,869 2,655,050 -248,181 deficit decline,,worst hurricanes SEASONS in history
  [*]2007 2,567,985 2,728,686 -160,701 deficit decline
  [*]2008 2,523,991 2,982,544 -458,553 housing bubble
  [*]2009 2,104,989 3,517,677 -1,412,688 TARP,Stimulus
  [*]2010 2,162,706 3,457,079 -1,294,373 This doesn't look like $600 billion deficit???
  [*]2011 2,303,466 3,603,059 -1,299,593 This doesn't look like $600 billion deficit???
  [*]2012 2,450,164 3,537,127 -1,086,963 This doesn't look like $600 billion deficit???
  [*]2013 2,712,045 3,684,947 -972,902 estimate
  [*]2014 3,033,618 3,777,807 -744,189 estimate
  [*]2015 3,331,685 3,908,157 -576,472 estimate
  [*]2016 3,561,451 4,089,836 -528,385 estimate
  [*]2017 3,760,542 4,247,448 -486,906 estimate
  [*]2018 3,973,974 4,449,240 -475,266 estimate

Gross Domestic Product Largest in history!!
When Bush took office in 2001 GDP was $12,355,271,000,000
When Bush left office in 2008 GDP was $14,359,490,000,000
A 16% increase in GDP or $2 TRILLION.

Bush growth of the GDP was greater then Clinton in 2005 GDP grew at 6.5% Clinton's best:6.4%
Measuring Worth - Measures of worth, inflation rates, saving calculator, relative value, worth of a dollar, worth of a pound, purchasing power, gold prices, GDP, history of wages, average wage

NOW you dumb f...k! Please refute THESE FACTS???

 

[Edgetho]

Did anybody read that (amateurish) description of the mentally ill I posted?

It's just a fact, boys and girls. dimocraps are sick, twisted muthas. NOTHING is ever their fault.

The 'dotcom' bubble was the most severe, the worst Index crash in Human History of a Market. Worse than the Dow Jones crash of 1929.

Then, to top it off, Usama bin Floatin decides to fly a a few planes into New York, Washington and PA because Bill the rapist Clinton was too chickenshit to take him out when he had the chance(s).

The Housing Market crashed had nothing whatsoever to do with Bush. It was on the CRA, greedy bankers, and the worst piece of shit Fed Chairman ever -- Greenspawn, manservant of the communist pig Andrea Mitchell.

Get rid of obama and just watch the economy take off. It would happen.

Unfortunately, Americans are too stupid.

They deserve what's happening to them.

 

[pinqy]

Bottom line.....

There are now 3.9 Million fewer jobs than when the Stuttering Clusterfukk took office. Period

Seasonally Adjusted nonfarm payroll jobs January 2009 was 133,631,000
May 2013 was 135,637,000

So where did you learn math that 135,637,000 - 133,631,000 = -3,900,000???
By my math that's +2,006,000

Siince January 2008 (138,056,000) it's down 3.4 million, but last I checked, Obama didn't take office until Jan 2009.

Even the other posters claiming job loss are making clear it's from 2007, not since Obama took office.

 

[Edgetho]

Bottom line.....

There are now 3.9 Million fewer jobs than when the Stuttering Clusterfukk took office. Period

Seasonally Adjusted nonfarm payroll jobs January 2009 was 133,631,000
May 2013 was 135,637,000

So where did you learn math that 135,637,000 - 133,631,000 = -3,900,000???
By my math that's +2,006,000

Siince January 2008 (138,056,000) it's down 3.4 million, but last I checked, Obama didn't take office until Jan 2009.

Even the other posters claiming job loss are making clear it's from 2007, not since Obama took office.

Keep lying to yourself. I'm sure you do it other than on the Internet.

We're talking Bush's best numbers against the Stuttering Clusterfukk's best numbers.

Not only that, but approximately 150,000 people enter the work force each month.

So let's say that's 48 Months. Give or take.

How many Americans have entered the work force? Around 8,000,000 (Eight Million) since Bush's best employment figures and now.

the Stuttering Clusterfukk is a failure. And so are most of the people who voted for him.

Get used to failure. I got a feeling it's going to be a life-choice for you

 

[jgarden]

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."
- John Stuart Mill

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"The irony of all of this is of course that this shoe-throwing incident is as close as we'll ever get to finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."
- Craig Ferguson

 

[healthmyths]

Bottom line.....

There are now 3.9 Million fewer jobs than when the Stuttering Clusterfukk took office. Period

Seasonally Adjusted nonfarm payroll jobs January 2009 was 133,631,000
May 2013 was 135,637,000

So where did you learn math that 135,637,000 - 133,631,000 = -3,900,000???
By my math that's +2,006,000

Siince January 2008 (138,056,000) it's down 3.4 million, but last I checked, Obama didn't take office until Jan 2009.

Even the other posters claiming job loss are making clear it's from 2007, not since Obama took office.

FACTS not supposition!!!

Series Id: CEU0000000001
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector:Total nonfarm
Industry: Total nonfarm
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

• Years:2001 to 2013
• 2001 131,919,000
• 2002 130,450,000 decrease 1,469,000 (due to recession, 9/11, dot com bust cost 1 million jobs!)
• 2003 130,100,000 decrease 350,000
• 2004 131,509,000 increase 1,409,000
• 2005 133,747,000 increase 2,238,000
• 2006 136,125,000 increase 2,378,000
• 2007 137,645,000 increase 1,520,000
• 2008 136,852,000 decrease 793,000

end of Obama first year

• 2009 130,876,000 decrease 5,976,000
• 2010 129,917,000 decrease 959,000
• 2011 131,497,000 increase 1,580,000
• 2012 133,739,000 increase 2,242,000

OK.. What is the BIGGEST number of People employed???
2007
137,645,000

What is the Biggest number for Obama?
2012
133,739,000
3,906,000 LESS employed then the highest number which was Bush in 2007!

NOW ONE MORE MAJOR distinction...
Has Obama faced :dot.com bust that cost 300,000 jobs in 2001? NO!
How about that little event known as 9/11?? 145,000 jobs alone in NYC!
And you never seem to remember the WORST SEASONS not Hurricanes BUT SEASONS for the WORST hurricanes..
Cost 400,000 jobs..
Between those 3 events... over 845,000 jobs which again were recovered by Bush.
In fact if those events hadn't occurred there would have been 138 million employed people!

So again... face the facts that Obama has done EVERYTHING to destroy jobs and I'm not saying it.. EMPLOYERS ARE!!
With the combination of minimum wage hikes and Obamacare, destroying jobs is this president’s job one
ObamaCare’s potential $2.40/hour cost to employers would result from a $3,000 fine for offering coverage deemed either too pricey or too skimpy. Tack on an additional $1.75/hour wage hike and the pressure would be extreme on employers to cut hours to avoid ObamaCare fines.
For profit-making firms facing a combined 40% state and federal tax rate, ObamaCare’s nondeductible $3,000-per-worker penalty is the equivalent of $5,000 in deductible wages. Divided by 52 weeks and 40 hours a week, that fine would equal $2.40 an hour.

But because employers would owe no fine for a 29-hour-per-week worker, the $5,000 cost could amount to $96 an hour for the 30th hour of work. That’s why the 30-hour workweek may disappear.
With the combination of minimum wage hikes and Obamacare, destroying jobs is this president's job one | Opinion - Conservative

 

[pinqy]

Bottom line.....

There are now 3.9 Million fewer jobs than when the Stuttering Clusterfukk took office. Period

Seasonally Adjusted nonfarm payroll jobs January 2009 was 133,631,000
May 2013 was 135,637,000

So where did you learn math that 135,637,000 - 133,631,000 = -3,900,000???
By my math that's +2,006,000

Siince January 2008 (138,056,000) it's down 3.4 million, but last I checked, Obama didn't take office until Jan 2009.

Even the other posters claiming job loss are making clear it's from 2007, not since Obama took office.

Keep lying to yourself. I'm sure you do it other than on the Internet.

Please point out what you're calling a lie.

We're talking Bush's best numbers against the Stuttering Clusterfukk's best numbers.

then why did you say "when the Stuttering Clusterfukk took office?" Make up your mind.

Not only that, but approximately 150,000 people enter the work force each month

Actually looking at the Labor Force Flows, it's averaged 6.59 million a month entering the labor force since December 2012 (adding up not in the labor force to employed, not in the labor force to unemployed, other inflows to employed, other inflows to unemployed and divide by 5).

So let's say that's 48 Months. Give or take.

How many Americans have entered the work force? Around 8,000,000 (Eight Million) since Bush's best employment figures and now.

Since in 5 months it was over 6.5 million entering, I'm quite sure in 48 months it was a lot more. But people also leave the labor force. So your point is a mystery.

Oh, and I didn't vote for Obama either time.

 

[pinqy]

Bottom line.....

There are now 3.9 Million fewer jobs than when the Stuttering Clusterfukk took office. Period

Seasonally Adjusted nonfarm payroll jobs January 2009 was 133,631,000
May 2013 was 135,637,000

So where did you learn math that 135,637,000 - 133,631,000 = -3,900,000???
By my math that's +2,006,000

Siince January 2008 (138,056,000) it's down 3.4 million, but last I checked, Obama didn't take office until Jan 2009.

Even the other posters claiming job loss are making clear it's from 2007, not since Obama took office.

FACTS not supposition!!!

I stated facts, and made no suppositions.

Series Id: CEU0000000001
Not Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector:Total nonfarm
Industry: Total nonfarm
NAICS Code: -
Data Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

• Years:2001 to 2013
• 2001 131,919,000
• 2002 130,450,000 decrease 1,469,000 (due to recession, 9/11, dot com bust cost 1 million jobs!)
• 2003 130,100,000 decrease 350,000
• 2004 131,509,000 increase 1,409,000
• 2005 133,747,000 increase 2,238,000
• 2006 136,125,000 increase 2,378,000
• 2007 137,645,000 increase 1,520,000
• 2008 136,852,000 decrease 793,000

end of Obama first year

• 2009 130,876,000 decrease 5,976,000
• 2010 129,917,000 decrease 959,000
• 2011 131,497,000 increase 1,580,000
• 2012 133,739,000 increase 2,242,000

Again, you are incorrect in stating those are "end of the year." You are giving the annual average. Do you not understand the difference? I showed the actual Jan to Jan changes, which are the actual year changes.

OK.. What is the BIGGEST number of People employed???
2007
137,645,000

ummmm no. From the not seasonally adjusted info you're using it was 138,825,000 in June 2007. But since hiring always goes up in June, if we look at the seasonally adjusted numbers the largest number of non farm pay roll jobs was 138,056,000 in Jan 2008.

And you know of course that what you're citing is not total employment, but non-farm payroll jobs which excludes agriculture, the self-employed, and some others?

What is the Biggest number for Obama?
2012
133,739,000
3,906,000 LESS employed then the highest number which was Bush in 2007!

Not seasonally adjusted the highest number under Obama was 136,367,000 in May 2013 (subject to 2 more revsions). So that's -2.5 million from lowest to highest. Using proper comparison of seasonally adjusted data, Obama's highest is 135,637,000 in May 2013, a difference of 2.4 million.

Using yearly averages and excluding all of 2013 makes a difference...but I assume you knew that.

But you're attributing ALL of the drop from the high point to Obama and ignoring that when Obama took office, non farm payroll jobs were down 7 million using the not seasonally adjusted figures (Jun 2007 at 138,825,000 and Jan 2009 at 131,627,000) Now that's not a fair comparison because jobs are always up in June and always down in January, so looking at the Seasonally adjusted data the difference between Bush's high and when he took office was -4.4 million. So why are you blaming Obama for the 4.4 million lost under Bush from his high?


Try using proper math and methodology and then you might make a decent point. But as long as you sound like you don't know what you're talking about.

Are you even aware of the definition of "labor force" or what the nonfarm payroll data you're citing means, or the difference between seasonally adjusted and not seasonally adjusted or the difference between change in a year and change in annual average? It doesn't sound like it.