No One Has a Right to Health Care

[dblack]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Then you don't have the right for internet, therefore, government can shut you down if felt necessary... which I think it should...

What do you mean by "the right for internet"?

Your right to access internet, like freedom of speech...

Internet is not a right in this case, is it?

It sounds like you don't get what a right is. The government should certainly have no power to block your access to the internet. But neither government, nor anyone else, is under any obligation to provide you with internet access.

 

[alpine]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Then you don't have the right for internet, therefore, government can shut you down if felt necessary... which I think it should...

What do you mean by "the right for internet"?

Your right to access internet, like freedom of speech...

Internet is not a right in this case, is it?

It sounds like you don't get what a right is. The government should certainly have no power to block your access to the internet. But neither government, nor anyone else, is under any obligation to provide you with internet access.

Then you can't block peoples access to the medicine they need to stay alive, right?

 

[dblack]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Then you don't have the right for internet, therefore, government can shut you down if felt necessary... which I think it should...

What do you mean by "the right for internet"?

Your right to access internet, like freedom of speech...

Internet is not a right in this case, is it?

It sounds like you don't get what a right is. The government should certainly have no power to block your access to the internet. But neither government, nor anyone else, is under any obligation to provide you with internet access.

Then you can't block peoples access to the medicine they need to stay alive, right?

Of course not. But what does that mean to you? To me, it means no one can prohibit you from trading with a doctor (or anyone else who wants to help you with your health care). It doesn't mean the that doctor should be forced to serve you.

Let me ask you this - and please try to answer. If you don't get the medical services that you believe you have a "right" to - who is guilty of violating your rights?

 

[regent]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

Agreed.. that's why contrary to public opinion, we don't deny access to healthcare.

The welfare state compels taxpayers and producers to pay for healthcare - but socialized medicine will bankrupt the nation. I mean the US is already bankrupt t---the national debt is over 18 TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTrillion $$$$$.

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In 1935 America was led to believe that Social Security would bankrupt the nation, if SS didn't bankrupt us then certainly The New Deal would. If not the New Deal, then we were assured we could not pay for WWII. We even survived Bush doubling the debt and then Reagan tripling the debt. So since the nation was formed how many times has America gone bankrupt?
The debt has been paid off only once and that by a Democratic president.

 

[Rustic]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

I don't have an right to healthcare, but I do have an right to earn it...

 

[Rustic]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

Agreed.. that's why contrary to public opinion, we don't deny access to healthcare.

The welfare state compels taxpayers and producers to pay for healthcare - but socialized medicine will bankrupt the nation. I mean the US is already bankrupt t---the national debt is over 18 TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTrillion $$$$$.

.

In 1935 America was led to believe that Social Security would bankrupt the nation, if SS didn't bankrupt us then certainly The New Deal would. If not the New Deal, then we were assured we could not pay for WWII. We even survived Bush doubling the debt and then Reagan tripling the debt. So since the nation was formed how many times has America gone bankrupt?
The debt has been paid off only once and that by a Democratic president.

Those things are called unfunded liabilities... Dumbass

 

[alpine]

Then you don't have the right for internet, therefore, government can shut you down if felt necessary... which I think it should...

What do you mean by "the right for internet"?

Your right to access internet, like freedom of speech...

Internet is not a right in this case, is it?

It sounds like you don't get what a right is. The government should certainly have no power to block your access to the internet. But neither government, nor anyone else, is under any obligation to provide you with internet access.

Then you can't block peoples access to the medicine they need to stay alive, right?

Of course not. But what does that mean to you? To me, it means no one can prohibit you from trading with a doctor (or anyone else who wants to help you with your health care). It doesn't mean the that doctor should be forced to serve you.

Let me ask you this - and please try to answer. If you don't get the medical services that you believe you have a "right" to - who is guilty of violating your rights?

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

Agreed.. that's why contrary to public opinion, we don't deny access to healthcare.

The welfare state compels taxpayers and producers to pay for healthcare - but socialized medicine will bankrupt the nation. I mean the US is already bankrupt t---the national debt is over 18 TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTrillion $$$$$.

.

In 1935 America was led to believe that Social Security would bankrupt the nation, if SS didn't bankrupt us then certainly The New Deal would. If not the New Deal, then we were assured we could not pay for WWII. We even survived Bush doubling the debt and then Reagan tripling the debt. So since the nation was formed how many times has America gone bankrupt?
The debt has been paid off only once and that by a Democratic president.

That might be true if a President could pay off a debt. But as we all know, Presidents don't do that--Congress does that. Give credit where credit is due.

 

[Billy000]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

a car, food, and spouse are all obtainable. Expensive healthcare is not.

End of story.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Even prior to the ACA nobody was denied access to healthcare. If you walked into a publicly funded hospital with a stab wound or drug overdose they were required to take care of you.

They are only required to stabilize you, not to "take care "of you.

 

[SmokeALib]

I think I should have the right to drive A Brand New Car!

 

[dblack]

What do you mean by "the right for internet"?

Your right to access internet, like freedom of speech...

Internet is not a right in this case, is it?

It sounds like you don't get what a right is. The government should certainly have no power to block your access to the internet. But neither government, nor anyone else, is under any obligation to provide you with internet access.

Then you can't block peoples access to the medicine they need to stay alive, right?

Of course not. But what does that mean to you? To me, it means no one can prohibit you from trading with a doctor (or anyone else who wants to help you with your health care). It doesn't mean the that doctor should be forced to serve you.

Let me ask you this - and please try to answer. If you don't get the medical services that you believe you have a "right" to - who is guilty of violating your rights?

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

 

[dblack]

I think I should have the right to drive A Brand New Car!

But what if you don't have "access" to a brand new car!?!?

 

[regent]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

Agreed.. that's why contrary to public opinion, we don't deny access to healthcare.

The welfare state compels taxpayers and producers to pay for healthcare - but socialized medicine will bankrupt the nation. I mean the US is already bankrupt t---the national debt is over 18 TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTrillion $$$$$.

.

In 1935 America was led to believe that Social Security would bankrupt the nation, if SS didn't bankrupt us then certainly The New Deal would. If not the New Deal, then we were assured we could not pay for WWII. We even survived Bush doubling the debt and then Reagan tripling the debt. So since the nation was formed how many times has America gone bankrupt?
The debt has been paid off only once and that by a Democratic president.

That might be true if a President could pay off a debt. But as we all know, Presidents don't do that--Congress does that. Give credit where credit is due.

Presidents may not pay off the debt because it has been paid off only once, and Jackson seems to get the credit, not the Congrss. Do we ever blame Obama or other presidents for the debts caused during their administration?
The interesting thing is that no one ever questions how Jackson did it. The payoff had one unfortunate outcome, it caused a depression.

 

[SmokeALib]

I think I should have the right to drive A Brand New Car!

But what if you don't have "access" to a brand new car!?!?

I'll walk.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

No...

Health care would improve those two.

You've always had a right to get all the health care you can buy.

 

[alpine]

Your right to access internet, like freedom of speech...

Internet is not a right in this case, is it?

It sounds like you don't get what a right is. The government should certainly have no power to block your access to the internet. But neither government, nor anyone else, is under any obligation to provide you with internet access.

Then you can't block peoples access to the medicine they need to stay alive, right?

Of course not. But what does that mean to you? To me, it means no one can prohibit you from trading with a doctor (or anyone else who wants to help you with your health care). It doesn't mean the that doctor should be forced to serve you.

Let me ask you this - and please try to answer. If you don't get the medical services that you believe you have a "right" to - who is guilty of violating your rights?

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

 

[SmokeALib]

Well you definitely have the right to keep yourself healthy. If you want to smoke two packs of cigarettes and wash down a couple of pizzas with a case of beer everyday, why in hell should I have to pay for your health care?

 

[Katzndogz]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Reminds me of that "clever" crack of Reagan's about abortion, "I notice that everyone who's for abortion has already been born."

I notice everyone who's against healthcare for everyone else has no objection to taking care of themselves. Do any of them ever wonder what would have happened if their mothers hadn't had access to prenatal care, much less a safe delivery? What if they hadn't been able to see a doctor when they were growing up?

How many anti-vaxxers were vaccinated themselves growing up?

How many had access to dentists and eye doctors and hearing tests when they were growing up and would deny those things to others now?

Why do so many Americans want to replace "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" with "Mine, mine, mine, gimme, gimme, gimme"?

No one is denying anything to anyone. When,most of us were growing up our parents paid for those services. They weren't free.

 

[beagle9]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

. Umm under the word life being one of those rights, then you can of course agree that without proper affordable health care, and therefore the equal treatment within that right be it that one can not exist without the other, then the word life would also include those accompanying things that make that word life sustainable and possible to be held as true according to the papers in which you have listed in your post. How does one have life, and sustain life without equal access to affordable Care that gives a person a chance just like the next person who can afford and access that which is used to sustain life in a time of crisis ?