No One Has a Right to Health Care

[Katzndogz]

It sounds like you don't get what a right is. The government should certainly have no power to block your access to the internet. But neither government, nor anyone else, is under any obligation to provide you with internet access.

Then you can't block peoples access to the medicine they need to stay alive, right?

Of course not. But what does that mean to you? To me, it means no one can prohibit you from trading with a doctor (or anyone else who wants to help you with your health care). It doesn't mean the that doctor should be forced to serve you.

Let me ask you this - and please try to answer. If you don't get the medical services that you believe you have a "right" to - who is guilty of violating your rights?

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

No one's access is blocked. Doctors charge for their services. They aren't free.

 

[regent]

Do we have a right to breathe clean air, have clean water to drink, safe streets and schools?

 

[alpine]

Then you can't block peoples access to the medicine they need to stay alive, right?

Of course not. But what does that mean to you? To me, it means no one can prohibit you from trading with a doctor (or anyone else who wants to help you with your health care). It doesn't mean the that doctor should be forced to serve you.

Let me ask you this - and please try to answer. If you don't get the medical services that you believe you have a "right" to - who is guilty of violating your rights?

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

No one's access is blocked. Doctors charge for their services. They aren't free.

Then they are not doctors, but bankers.

Doctors get paid for their job, which is, treating the sick.

Nobody forcing people to go to med school. They choose to do so with their free will...

 

[SmokeALib]

Do we have a right to breathe clean air, have clean water to drink, safe streets and schools?

Not if you live in a metropolitan city. Move out to the country, you have all those forementioned things.

 

[beagle9]

The profiteering in which picks and chooses who lives and who dies all because of, is in my opinion a terrible sin of a great magnitude upon this earth, and especially for a nation who knew better than to think in the kind of ways that it has been thinking about such a thing in the ways for which it has been thinking about such a thing.

 

[beagle9]

I think I should have the right to drive A Brand New Car!

But what if you don't have "access" to a brand new car!?!?

Yes, and say he is denied access to that car as based upon many things or criteria that would offend him, such as being due his skin color maybe ? What would he think then ? He would fight for the right to have equal access to the being able to stand along side of other
men, and to buy that car wouldn't he ?

 

[Katzndogz]

Do we have a right to breathe clean air, have clean water to drink, safe streets and schools?

No

 

[beagle9]

Then you can't block peoples access to the medicine they need to stay alive, right?

Of course not. But what does that mean to you? To me, it means no one can prohibit you from trading with a doctor (or anyone else who wants to help you with your health care). It doesn't mean the that doctor should be forced to serve you.

Let me ask you this - and please try to answer. If you don't get the medical services that you believe you have a "right" to - who is guilty of violating your rights?

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

No one's access is blocked. Doctors charge for their services. They aren't free.

. Far more complicated an issue than that alone.

 

[beagle9]

Do we have a right to breathe clean air, have clean water to drink, safe streets and schools?

No

Yes we do, and the majority would agree.

 

[Political Junky]

I'm not talking about single-payer or the monstrosity of Barry-Care. I'm talking about free or inexpensive clinics for the poor financed by taxpayers for the common good. If you have money you're entitled to as good healthcare as you can afford....without having to sit for hours waiting your turn with the peons. Anybody who's ever lived in Spokane, Wash knows where western canucks fleeing the waiting-lists get their healthcare....in SPOKANE.

Link?

 

[Katzndogz]

Of course not. But what does that mean to you? To me, it means no one can prohibit you from trading with a doctor (or anyone else who wants to help you with your health care). It doesn't mean the that doctor should be forced to serve you.

Let me ask you this - and please try to answer. If you don't get the medical services that you believe you have a "right" to - who is guilty of violating your rights?

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

No one's access is blocked. Doctors charge for their services. They aren't free.

Then they are not doctors, but bankers.

Doctors get paid for their job, which is, treating the sick.

Nobody forcing people to go to med school. They choose to do so with their free will...

Doctor's also pay for their education. They buy equipment, they buy medical supplies. They maintain that equipment. Now you imagine they should treat the sick for free, because they decided to go to medical school.

 

[Katzndogz]

Do we have a right to breathe clean air, have clean water to drink, safe streets and schools?

No

Yes we do, and the majority would agree.

You think you do. It doesn't matter how many think you have these rights, you don't. That gets proven every day.

 

[Political Junky]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Bernie Sanders is a clown - a communist clown. You are correct. Healthcare is NOT an inherent "right" any more than owning an automobile is a "right". Bernie Sanders has lived off the public dole for the majority of his life. The idea of this goof-ball working to pay for his own healthcare - Which I would remind everyone here that his is PAID for for the REST OF HIS MISERABLE LIFE by the American taxpayer - is repugnant to him.

Or, as Margaret Thatcher said "Socialism is fine until you run out of other peoples' money"

Thatcher made no changes to UK health care.

 

[Political Junky]

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

No one's access is blocked. Doctors charge for their services. They aren't free.

Then they are not doctors, but bankers.

Doctors get paid for their job, which is, treating the sick.

Nobody forcing people to go to med school. They choose to do so with their free will...

Doctor's also pay for their education. They buy equipment, they buy medical supplies. They maintain that equipment. Now you imagine they should treat the sick for free, because they decided to go to medical school.

Who said doctors would work for free? You're just making shit up.

 

[alpine]

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

No one's access is blocked. Doctors charge for their services. They aren't free.

Then they are not doctors, but bankers.

Doctors get paid for their job, which is, treating the sick.

Nobody forcing people to go to med school. They choose to do so with their free will...

Doctor's also pay for their education. They buy equipment, they buy medical supplies. They maintain that equipment. Now you imagine they should treat the sick for free, because they decided to go to medical school.

Whole system will need to change.

Thats the whole point of tuition free college.

So it will not be the people who see med school as an investment looking for roi at the end who will get there, but the people who want to be "doctors" will be able to get there.

 

[bripat9643]

A right to healthcare would seem to improve life and pursuit of happiness. As they say "two out of three ain't bad".

So does a Ferrari.

Next stupid argument?

 

[beagle9]

Of course not. But what does that mean to you? To me, it means no one can prohibit you from trading with a doctor (or anyone else who wants to help you with your health care). It doesn't mean the that doctor should be forced to serve you.

Let me ask you this - and please try to answer. If you don't get the medical services that you believe you have a "right" to - who is guilty of violating your rights?

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

No one's access is blocked. Doctors charge for their services. They aren't free.

Then they are not doctors, but bankers.

Doctors get paid for their job, which is, treating the sick.

Nobody forcing people to go to med school. They choose to do so with their free will...

Maybe the government should pay their way in med school, and then expect fair and good results in return, such as treating the sick on equal terms instead of using class warfare to determin who wins and who loses as based upon the services rendered, and all because of money. By qualification to keep down fraud, the government should also be willing to assist those who can't legitimately pay for vital services in which they may need from the health care industry... I think it does this, but it hasn't been doing such a good job just like it hadn't done in regards to the vets.... There is enough blame to go around for all, and it has to be fixed.

 

[SmokeALib]

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

No one's access is blocked. Doctors charge for their services. They aren't free.

Then they are not doctors, but bankers.

Doctors get paid for their job, which is, treating the sick.

Nobody forcing people to go to med school. They choose to do so with their free will...

Doctor's also pay for their education. They buy equipment, they buy medical supplies. They maintain that equipment. Now you imagine they should treat the sick for free, because they decided to go to medical school.

Whole system will need to change.

Thats the whole point of tuition free college.

So it will not be the people who see med school as an investment looking for roi at the end who will get there, but the people who want to be "doctors" will be able to get there.

People who want to be doctors are getting there now. My brother is living proof. It wasn't free, though, as you are suggesting. He worked his ass off for it. Imagine that.

 

[bripat9643]

No One Has a Right to Health Care
by Jacob G. Hornberger February 3, 2016

Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says that everyone has a right to health care. Unfortunately, none of his presidential opponents, Democrat or Republican, is going to challenge him on the point. They’re too scared that they’d lose votes by challenging a standard socialist shibboleth in America.

Sanders’ assertion only goes to show how American socialists (i.e., progressives) have warped and perverted the concept of rights within the minds of the American people. The fact is that no one has a right to health care any more than he has a right to a home, a car, food, spouse, or anything else.

The correct concept of rights was enunciated by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence, the document that Americans ironically celebrate every Fourth of July. Jefferson observed that people have been endowed with certain unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Reminds me of that "clever" crack of Reagan's about abortion, "I notice that everyone who's for abortion has already been born."

I notice everyone who's against healthcare for everyone else has no objection to taking care of themselves. Do any of them ever wonder what would have happened if their mothers hadn't had access to prenatal care, much less a safe delivery? What if they hadn't been able to see a doctor when they were growing up?

How many anti-vaxxers were vaccinated themselves growing up?

How many had access to dentists and eye doctors and hearing tests when they were growing up and would deny those things to others now?

Why do so many Americans want to replace "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" with "Mine, mine, mine, gimme, gimme, gimme"?

Why would any sane person object to spending his own money on his own healthcare? The ones who are always yelling "gimme" are the prehensile leftwing turds like you who want everyone to pay your bills.

 

[alpine]

You ever heard of something called Hippocratic Oath?

The answer to this question is quite simple:

If a doctor is refusing to apply the science, he has been taught to apply on the sick, for the sole reason of "money", he should not be forced to do anything, he should be kicked straight out of the practice.

By whom? And what does any of this have to do with rights?

What is by whom?

This has a lot to do with the rights,

Doctors are people who are taught the science of medicine to cure the sick. This concludes that your "forcing the doctor" argument is irrelevant.

Blocking peoples access to the medicine, is nothing different from blocking people from accessing to the internet, or clean water, or air... which is against the human rights in the first place..

No one's access is blocked. Doctors charge for their services. They aren't free.

Then they are not doctors, but bankers.

Doctors get paid for their job, which is, treating the sick.

Nobody forcing people to go to med school. They choose to do so with their free will...

Maybe the government should pay their way in med school, and then expect fair and good results in return, such as treating the sick on equal terms instead of using class warfare to determin who wins and who loses as based upon the services rendered, and all because of money. By qualification to keep down fraud, the government should also be willing to assist those who can't legitimately pay for vital services in which they may need from the health care industry... I think it does this, but it hasn't been doing such a good job just like it hadn't done in regards to the vets.... There is enough blame to go around for all, and it has to be fixed.

Thats what I pointed out just couple messages ago.

The only way this would work is by making colleges tuition free.

Otherwise you can't expect from people, who paid a fortune to get the medicine education, to treat their patients nothing more than customers.

Tuition free college is one of the best investments for a society. Because at the end, people coming out of those colleges are going to be owing to their society, which they will be required to return their services in a fair trade.