No Negotiations Until Federal Gov Opens

[iceberg]

I was told by the blob that Mexico was going to pay for the wall. Why do you insist on calling the blob a liar?

The sure sign that someone is an idiot is that they think that whining about Mexico paying for the wall is a good argument.

sure sign of an idiot is someone that keeps arguing with an idiot.

have a nice day.

Just hoping someone who voted for the blob can be truthful. I know it’s too much to hope for.

just hoping people will stop having to insult each other at every opportunity as that is the leading cause of our continued hate.

i know it's too much to hope for.

The cause of the hate is the fact that the left is trying to destroy the country. On top of that their leftwing professors have brainwashed them to hate everything that is normal and sensible.

the cause of the hate is pretending our neighbors are our enemies out to kill us.

 

[jc456]

The sure sign that someone is an idiot is that they think that whining about Mexico paying for the wall is a good argument.

sure sign of an idiot is someone that keeps arguing with an idiot.

have a nice day.

Just hoping someone who voted for the blob can be truthful. I know it’s too much to hope for.

just hoping people will stop having to insult each other at every opportunity as that is the leading cause of our continued hate.

i know it's too much to hope for.

The cause of the hate is the fact that the left is trying to destroy the country. On top of that their leftwing professors have brainwashed them to hate everything that is normal and sensible.

the cause of the hate is pretending our neighbors are our enemies out to kill us.

wow, the Alamo? hly fk, the funny stuff people say.

 

[iceberg]

sure sign of an idiot is someone that keeps arguing with an idiot.

have a nice day.

Just hoping someone who voted for the blob can be truthful. I know it’s too much to hope for.

just hoping people will stop having to insult each other at every opportunity as that is the leading cause of our continued hate.

i know it's too much to hope for.

The cause of the hate is the fact that the left is trying to destroy the country. On top of that their leftwing professors have brainwashed them to hate everything that is normal and sensible.

the cause of the hate is pretending our neighbors are our enemies out to kill us.

wow, the Alamo? hly fk, the funny stuff people say.

who the **** said anything about the alamo?

 

[jc456]

Just hoping someone who voted for the blob can be truthful. I know it’s too much to hope for.

just hoping people will stop having to insult each other at every opportunity as that is the leading cause of our continued hate.

i know it's too much to hope for.

The cause of the hate is the fact that the left is trying to destroy the country. On top of that their leftwing professors have brainwashed them to hate everything that is normal and sensible.

the cause of the hate is pretending our neighbors are our enemies out to kill us.

wow, the Alamo? hly fk, the funny stuff people say.

who the **** said anything about the alamo?

who attacked the alamo? there is no pretend needed.

 

[iceberg]

just hoping people will stop having to insult each other at every opportunity as that is the leading cause of our continued hate.

i know it's too much to hope for.

The cause of the hate is the fact that the left is trying to destroy the country. On top of that their leftwing professors have brainwashed them to hate everything that is normal and sensible.

the cause of the hate is pretending our neighbors are our enemies out to kill us.

wow, the Alamo? hly fk, the funny stuff people say.

who the **** said anything about the alamo?

who attacked the alamo? there is no pretend needed.

hate trying to destroy the country.

hate is internal to the US near as i can tell, not coming from mexico by and large. we are far too busy hating "our neighbors" ie - liberals hating conservatives, conservatives hating liberals...

so by neighbors i mean people who live and work around me that if i don't talk politics with them, i doubt i hate them. (unless they're an eagles fan). we're doing ourselves in by hating people who simply want to, in the end, do things differently than i do.

 

[jc456]

The cause of the hate is the fact that the left is trying to destroy the country. On top of that their leftwing professors have brainwashed them to hate everything that is normal and sensible.

the cause of the hate is pretending our neighbors are our enemies out to kill us.

wow, the Alamo? hly fk, the funny stuff people say.

who the **** said anything about the alamo?

who attacked the alamo? there is no pretend needed.

hate trying to destroy the country.

hate is internal to the US near as i can tell, not coming from mexico by and large. we are far too busy hating "our neighbors" ie - liberals hating conservatives, conservatives hating liberals...

so by neighbors i mean people who live and work around me that if i don't talk politics with them, i doubt i hate them. (unless they're an eagles fan). we're doing ourselves in by hating people who simply want to, in the end, do things differently than i do.

dude, I once thought you were bright. did you stick your fingers in a light socket? hly fk. I have no fking clue what any of that meant. Mexicans are not Americans. they need a visa to come here. Are you saying that we shouldn't have borders and protect our citizens? you seem confused, and why I thought you were reading brail light sockets.

 

[MisterBeale]

Your article says that your headline is not accurate. But people should still worry, based on unfounded reports, anyway. That's Fox for ya.

DHS officials he has spoken to claim it is not accurate.

But McCaul said the concerns about ISIS members trying to sneak over the Mexican border demonstrate the need for the federal government to finally implement a tough border security plan.

Look, I'm not denying that terrorists sneak across our border, but can you think of a single one (after 9/11) who has successfully carried out an attack that came into this country by sneaking over the border? I can't.

Terrorists get visas.

In fact, the Deep State makes sure they do, it justifies they very existence and their jobs.

The deep state is a conservative fantasy with no actual existence.

And even if they were real they would not be aiding terrorists.

if there is a "deep state" then you'd have to know their goals before knowing who they would and would not support.

our gov has created and supported terrorist groups for their own causes and that's what makes who's doing what in the middle east so ... frustrating. we help whoever helps our goals today. their politics is low on the priority list.

The very idea that they would bring terrorists here on purpose is ludicrous.

Why?

If the Intel agencies would do it in Europe to affect policy, why is it beyond the pale that they would do it here?

 

[iceberg]

the cause of the hate is pretending our neighbors are our enemies out to kill us.

wow, the Alamo? hly fk, the funny stuff people say.

who the **** said anything about the alamo?

who attacked the alamo? there is no pretend needed.

hate trying to destroy the country.

hate is internal to the US near as i can tell, not coming from mexico by and large. we are far too busy hating "our neighbors" ie - liberals hating conservatives, conservatives hating liberals...

so by neighbors i mean people who live and work around me that if i don't talk politics with them, i doubt i hate them. (unless they're an eagles fan). we're doing ourselves in by hating people who simply want to, in the end, do things differently than i do.

dude, I once thought you were bright. did you stick your fingers in a light socket? hly fk. I have no fking clue what any of that meant. Mexicans are not Americans. they need a visa to come here. Are you saying that we shouldn't have borders and protect our citizens? you seem confused, and why I thought you were reading brail light sockets.

so since we disagree on something i'm no longer "bright". interesting.

i say the cause of hate is pretending our neighbors are out to kill us. I'm *not* referring to mexico. I'm talking about a US specific cultural problem we're doing to ourselves because the OTHER SIDE is too stupid to live.

until we address the insane need to hate other *americans* because they don't think like we/you/i do, the rest of the issues really don't matter.

our own hate is killing us and other countries really have nothing to do with it at this point.

 

[MisterBeale]

wow, the Alamo? hly fk, the funny stuff people say.

who the **** said anything about the alamo?

who attacked the alamo? there is no pretend needed.

hate trying to destroy the country.

hate is internal to the US near as i can tell, not coming from mexico by and large. we are far too busy hating "our neighbors" ie - liberals hating conservatives, conservatives hating liberals...

so by neighbors i mean people who live and work around me that if i don't talk politics with them, i doubt i hate them. (unless they're an eagles fan). we're doing ourselves in by hating people who simply want to, in the end, do things differently than i do.

dude, I once thought you were bright. did you stick your fingers in a light socket? hly fk. I have no fking clue what any of that meant. Mexicans are not Americans. they need a visa to come here. Are you saying that we shouldn't have borders and protect our citizens? you seem confused, and why I thought you were reading brail light sockets.

so since we disagree on something i'm no longer "bright". interesting.

i say the cause of hate is pretending our neighbors are out to kill us. I'm *not* referring to mexico. I'm talking about a US specific cultural problem we're doing to ourselves because the OTHER SIDE is too stupid to live.

until we address the insane need to hate other *americans* because they don't think like we/you/i do, the rest of the issues really don't matter.

our own hate is killing us and other countries really have nothing to do with it at this point.

The elites manufacture it because it keeps the eyes off of them.

Most of the folks on this forum don't read, haven't read and have no perspective on history. They don't have a clue how they are manipulated and are all pawns.

 

[jc456]

wow, the Alamo? hly fk, the funny stuff people say.

who the **** said anything about the alamo?

who attacked the alamo? there is no pretend needed.

hate trying to destroy the country.

hate is internal to the US near as i can tell, not coming from mexico by and large. we are far too busy hating "our neighbors" ie - liberals hating conservatives, conservatives hating liberals...

so by neighbors i mean people who live and work around me that if i don't talk politics with them, i doubt i hate them. (unless they're an eagles fan). we're doing ourselves in by hating people who simply want to, in the end, do things differently than i do.

dude, I once thought you were bright. did you stick your fingers in a light socket? hly fk. I have no fking clue what any of that meant. Mexicans are not Americans. they need a visa to come here. Are you saying that we shouldn't have borders and protect our citizens? you seem confused, and why I thought you were reading brail light sockets.

so since we disagree on something i'm no longer "bright". interesting.

i say the cause of hate is pretending our neighbors are out to kill us. I'm *not* referring to mexico. I'm talking about a US specific cultural problem we're doing to ourselves because the OTHER SIDE is too stupid to live.

until we address the insane need to hate other *americans* because they don't think like we/you/i do, the rest of the issues really don't matter.

our own hate is killing us and other countries really have nothing to do with it at this point.

well it seems the bulb burnt out. Not sure your strategy to make enemies of once common thinkers. you seem to be leaning more left than I like. Hate is hate, and the ones who hate the most are the leftists. Dude you can call out GOPers all day, but the left is the hate group. always have. kkk, Nazis I mean to group GOP into that is strange at best.

Crawl out of your feel sorry for the country and stand up for it. tell these evil kkk'ers to go to fking hell. it's really quite simple. the left don't negotiate, everyone else knows that.

 

[iceberg]

who the **** said anything about the alamo?

who attacked the alamo? there is no pretend needed.

hate trying to destroy the country.

hate is internal to the US near as i can tell, not coming from mexico by and large. we are far too busy hating "our neighbors" ie - liberals hating conservatives, conservatives hating liberals...

so by neighbors i mean people who live and work around me that if i don't talk politics with them, i doubt i hate them. (unless they're an eagles fan). we're doing ourselves in by hating people who simply want to, in the end, do things differently than i do.

dude, I once thought you were bright. did you stick your fingers in a light socket? hly fk. I have no fking clue what any of that meant. Mexicans are not Americans. they need a visa to come here. Are you saying that we shouldn't have borders and protect our citizens? you seem confused, and why I thought you were reading brail light sockets.

so since we disagree on something i'm no longer "bright". interesting.

i say the cause of hate is pretending our neighbors are out to kill us. I'm *not* referring to mexico. I'm talking about a US specific cultural problem we're doing to ourselves because the OTHER SIDE is too stupid to live.

until we address the insane need to hate other *americans* because they don't think like we/you/i do, the rest of the issues really don't matter.

our own hate is killing us and other countries really have nothing to do with it at this point.

well it seems the bulb burnt out. Not sure your strategy to make enemies of once common thinkers. you seem to be leaning more left than I like. Hate is hate, and the ones who hate the most are the leftists. Dude you can call out GOPers all day, but the left is the hate group. always have. kkk, Nazis I mean to group GOP into that is strange at best.

Crawl out of your feel sorry for the country and stand up for it. tell these evil kkk'ers to go to fking hell. it's really quite simple. the left don't negotiate, everyone else knows that.

you now say i'm left leaning.
i'm perfectly willing to negotiate.

in one post you just blew up your entire premise but i'll bet somehow this is now *my* fault.

not sure why you feel the need to attack because suddenly i'm not behind you going YEAH!!!!! for the record, i've said people who are quick to label the GOP "nazi" "racist" and the like are ******* retarded and stupid and void of any rational thought. but yea, i must be on their side cause we disagree on this point, huh?

is that what you require out of people, to agree with you on *everything*?

and in case you've missed it, i call out the left quite a bit for the very same behavior and yes - i think they're horrible at it. HOWEVER, i don't see returning hate with hate as a solution. it's not practical nor realistic to think that everyone is always going to agree. it's what we do when we disagree that defines us, to me, and so far as soon as we disagree i become the enemy.

thank you for illustrating so eloquently what i view to be the very core of our problems as a country today.

btw - i don't view us as "enemies". i'm just not going to push things to that extreme despite that being the rage for both sides to do.

 

[jc456]

who attacked the alamo? there is no pretend needed.

hate trying to destroy the country.

hate is internal to the US near as i can tell, not coming from mexico by and large. we are far too busy hating "our neighbors" ie - liberals hating conservatives, conservatives hating liberals...

so by neighbors i mean people who live and work around me that if i don't talk politics with them, i doubt i hate them. (unless they're an eagles fan). we're doing ourselves in by hating people who simply want to, in the end, do things differently than i do.

dude, I once thought you were bright. did you stick your fingers in a light socket? hly fk. I have no fking clue what any of that meant. Mexicans are not Americans. they need a visa to come here. Are you saying that we shouldn't have borders and protect our citizens? you seem confused, and why I thought you were reading brail light sockets.

so since we disagree on something i'm no longer "bright". interesting.

i say the cause of hate is pretending our neighbors are out to kill us. I'm *not* referring to mexico. I'm talking about a US specific cultural problem we're doing to ourselves because the OTHER SIDE is too stupid to live.

until we address the insane need to hate other *americans* because they don't think like we/you/i do, the rest of the issues really don't matter.

our own hate is killing us and other countries really have nothing to do with it at this point.

well it seems the bulb burnt out. Not sure your strategy to make enemies of once common thinkers. you seem to be leaning more left than I like. Hate is hate, and the ones who hate the most are the leftists. Dude you can call out GOPers all day, but the left is the hate group. always have. kkk, Nazis I mean to group GOP into that is strange at best.

Crawl out of your feel sorry for the country and stand up for it. tell these evil kkk'ers to go to fking hell. it's really quite simple. the left don't negotiate, everyone else knows that.

you now say i'm left leaning.
i'm perfectly willing to negotiate.

in one post you just blew up your entire premise but i'll bet somehow this is now *my* fault.

not sure why you feel the need to attack because suddenly i'm not behind you going YEAH!!!!! for the record, i've said people who are quick to label the GOP "nazi" "racist" and the like are ******* retarded and stupid and void of any rational thought. but yea, i must be on their side cause we disagree on this point, huh?

is that what you require out of people, to agree with you on *everything*?

and in case you've missed it, i call out the left quite a bit for the very same behavior and yes - i think they're horrible at it. HOWEVER, i don't see returning hate with hate as a solution. it's not practical nor realistic to think that everyone is always going to agree. it's what we do when we disagree that defines us, to me, and so far as soon as we disagree i become the enemy.

thank you for illustrating so eloquently what i view to be the very core of our problems as a country today.

btw - i don't view us as "enemies". i'm just not going to push things to that extreme despite that being the rage for both sides to do.

dude, I am no cheerleader for anyone, nor do I look for support. I'm fine on my own. It is nice to see fellow americans however who think the same. Then I know the country ain't all fked up.

I'm happy to call out anyone, even someone who's agreed with me in the past such as yourself, so the premise you started to attack fell short cause you make my point right now.

I say you're leaning left cause your arguments are in line with theirs at this moment. I thought you were for america, but it seems that really you aren't, that moves you left. sorry about that, that's just a fact in today's argument. We have borders, we are a sovereign nation and have laws. we aren't third world, we hold people accountable.

Not sure what hate you think I'm spewing. That's the part I'm uncertain of. You keep saying spewing hate to hate. what do you think hate is? Maybe it's your definition. To me it is someone who thinks another doesn't have a right to exist. I'm aware of only one party that wishes such.

 

[iceberg]

hate trying to destroy the country.

hate is internal to the US near as i can tell, not coming from mexico by and large. we are far too busy hating "our neighbors" ie - liberals hating conservatives, conservatives hating liberals...

so by neighbors i mean people who live and work around me that if i don't talk politics with them, i doubt i hate them. (unless they're an eagles fan). we're doing ourselves in by hating people who simply want to, in the end, do things differently than i do.

dude, I once thought you were bright. did you stick your fingers in a light socket? hly fk. I have no fking clue what any of that meant. Mexicans are not Americans. they need a visa to come here. Are you saying that we shouldn't have borders and protect our citizens? you seem confused, and why I thought you were reading brail light sockets.

so since we disagree on something i'm no longer "bright". interesting.

i say the cause of hate is pretending our neighbors are out to kill us. I'm *not* referring to mexico. I'm talking about a US specific cultural problem we're doing to ourselves because the OTHER SIDE is too stupid to live.

until we address the insane need to hate other *americans* because they don't think like we/you/i do, the rest of the issues really don't matter.

our own hate is killing us and other countries really have nothing to do with it at this point.

well it seems the bulb burnt out. Not sure your strategy to make enemies of once common thinkers. you seem to be leaning more left than I like. Hate is hate, and the ones who hate the most are the leftists. Dude you can call out GOPers all day, but the left is the hate group. always have. kkk, Nazis I mean to group GOP into that is strange at best.

Crawl out of your feel sorry for the country and stand up for it. tell these evil kkk'ers to go to fking hell. it's really quite simple. the left don't negotiate, everyone else knows that.

you now say i'm left leaning.
i'm perfectly willing to negotiate.

in one post you just blew up your entire premise but i'll bet somehow this is now *my* fault.

not sure why you feel the need to attack because suddenly i'm not behind you going YEAH!!!!! for the record, i've said people who are quick to label the GOP "nazi" "racist" and the like are ******* retarded and stupid and void of any rational thought. but yea, i must be on their side cause we disagree on this point, huh?

is that what you require out of people, to agree with you on *everything*?

and in case you've missed it, i call out the left quite a bit for the very same behavior and yes - i think they're horrible at it. HOWEVER, i don't see returning hate with hate as a solution. it's not practical nor realistic to think that everyone is always going to agree. it's what we do when we disagree that defines us, to me, and so far as soon as we disagree i become the enemy.

thank you for illustrating so eloquently what i view to be the very core of our problems as a country today.

btw - i don't view us as "enemies". i'm just not going to push things to that extreme despite that being the rage for both sides to do.

dude, I am no cheerleader for anyone, nor do I look for support. I'm fine on my own. It is nice to see fellow americans however who think the same. Then I know the country ain't all fked up.

I'm happy to call out anyone, even someone who's agreed with me in the past such as yourself, so the premise you started to attack fell short cause you make my point right now.

I say you're leaning left cause your arguments are in line with theirs at this moment. I thought you were for america, but it seems that really you aren't, that moves you left. sorry about that, that's just a fact in today's argument. We have borders, we are a sovereign nation and have laws. we aren't third world, we hold people accountable.

Not sure what hate you think I'm spewing. That's the part I'm uncertain of. You keep saying spewing hate to hate. what do you think hate is? Maybe it's your definition. To me it is someone who thinks another doesn't have a right to exist. I'm aware of only one party that wishes such.

first - i never said you. i said hate is an american culture problem.

you're the one needing to push me to "the left" because you and i don't agree. you're the one who says the left is all evil and cannot be compromised with. am i wrong on any of that so far?

your premise is now that everyone on "the left" is ANTI-AMERICAN.

i'm for strict border security. i'm for ending birth right citizenship. i'm for making people go through our processes to come into this country and if they are too difficult, then stay the **** out.

but i'm NOT for stereotyping people who disagree with me into a "hate group" and claiming that because you don't agree with me, you hate america.

*that* is our fundamental issue these days. we simply can't disagree anymore w/o it becoming a huge issue that must be pushed to the extreme every single ******* time.

so we disagree. i fail to see how that makes either of us evil or america-haters.

 

[jc456]

dude, I once thought you were bright. did you stick your fingers in a light socket? hly fk. I have no fking clue what any of that meant. Mexicans are not Americans. they need a visa to come here. Are you saying that we shouldn't have borders and protect our citizens? you seem confused, and why I thought you were reading brail light sockets.

so since we disagree on something i'm no longer "bright". interesting.

i say the cause of hate is pretending our neighbors are out to kill us. I'm *not* referring to mexico. I'm talking about a US specific cultural problem we're doing to ourselves because the OTHER SIDE is too stupid to live.

until we address the insane need to hate other *americans* because they don't think like we/you/i do, the rest of the issues really don't matter.

our own hate is killing us and other countries really have nothing to do with it at this point.

well it seems the bulb burnt out. Not sure your strategy to make enemies of once common thinkers. you seem to be leaning more left than I like. Hate is hate, and the ones who hate the most are the leftists. Dude you can call out GOPers all day, but the left is the hate group. always have. kkk, Nazis I mean to group GOP into that is strange at best.

Crawl out of your feel sorry for the country and stand up for it. tell these evil kkk'ers to go to fking hell. it's really quite simple. the left don't negotiate, everyone else knows that.

you now say i'm left leaning.
i'm perfectly willing to negotiate.

in one post you just blew up your entire premise but i'll bet somehow this is now *my* fault.

not sure why you feel the need to attack because suddenly i'm not behind you going YEAH!!!!! for the record, i've said people who are quick to label the GOP "nazi" "racist" and the like are ******* retarded and stupid and void of any rational thought. but yea, i must be on their side cause we disagree on this point, huh?

is that what you require out of people, to agree with you on *everything*?

and in case you've missed it, i call out the left quite a bit for the very same behavior and yes - i think they're horrible at it. HOWEVER, i don't see returning hate with hate as a solution. it's not practical nor realistic to think that everyone is always going to agree. it's what we do when we disagree that defines us, to me, and so far as soon as we disagree i become the enemy.

thank you for illustrating so eloquently what i view to be the very core of our problems as a country today.

btw - i don't view us as "enemies". i'm just not going to push things to that extreme despite that being the rage for both sides to do.

dude, I am no cheerleader for anyone, nor do I look for support. I'm fine on my own. It is nice to see fellow americans however who think the same. Then I know the country ain't all fked up.

I'm happy to call out anyone, even someone who's agreed with me in the past such as yourself, so the premise you started to attack fell short cause you make my point right now.

I say you're leaning left cause your arguments are in line with theirs at this moment. I thought you were for america, but it seems that really you aren't, that moves you left. sorry about that, that's just a fact in today's argument. We have borders, we are a sovereign nation and have laws. we aren't third world, we hold people accountable.

Not sure what hate you think I'm spewing. That's the part I'm uncertain of. You keep saying spewing hate to hate. what do you think hate is? Maybe it's your definition. To me it is someone who thinks another doesn't have a right to exist. I'm aware of only one party that wishes such.

first - i never said you. i said hate is an american culture problem.

you're the one needing to push me to "the left" because you and i don't agree. you're the one who says the left is all evil and cannot be compromised with. am i wrong on any of that so far?

your premise is now that everyone on "the left" is ANTI-AMERICAN.

i'm for strict border security. i'm for ending birth right citizenship. i'm for making people go through our processes to come into this country and if they are too difficult, then stay the **** out.

but i'm NOT for stereotyping people who disagree with me into a "hate group" and claiming that because you don't agree with me, you hate america.

*that* is our fundamental issue these days. we simply can't disagree anymore w/o it becoming a huge issue that must be pushed to the extreme every single ******* time.

so we disagree. i fail to see how that makes either of us evil or america-haters.

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments.

but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

 

[iceberg]

so since we disagree on something i'm no longer "bright". interesting.

i say the cause of hate is pretending our neighbors are out to kill us. I'm *not* referring to mexico. I'm talking about a US specific cultural problem we're doing to ourselves because the OTHER SIDE is too stupid to live.

until we address the insane need to hate other *americans* because they don't think like we/you/i do, the rest of the issues really don't matter.

our own hate is killing us and other countries really have nothing to do with it at this point.

well it seems the bulb burnt out. Not sure your strategy to make enemies of once common thinkers. you seem to be leaning more left than I like. Hate is hate, and the ones who hate the most are the leftists. Dude you can call out GOPers all day, but the left is the hate group. always have. kkk, Nazis I mean to group GOP into that is strange at best.

Crawl out of your feel sorry for the country and stand up for it. tell these evil kkk'ers to go to fking hell. it's really quite simple. the left don't negotiate, everyone else knows that.

you now say i'm left leaning.
i'm perfectly willing to negotiate.

in one post you just blew up your entire premise but i'll bet somehow this is now *my* fault.

not sure why you feel the need to attack because suddenly i'm not behind you going YEAH!!!!! for the record, i've said people who are quick to label the GOP "nazi" "racist" and the like are ******* retarded and stupid and void of any rational thought. but yea, i must be on their side cause we disagree on this point, huh?

is that what you require out of people, to agree with you on *everything*?

and in case you've missed it, i call out the left quite a bit for the very same behavior and yes - i think they're horrible at it. HOWEVER, i don't see returning hate with hate as a solution. it's not practical nor realistic to think that everyone is always going to agree. it's what we do when we disagree that defines us, to me, and so far as soon as we disagree i become the enemy.

thank you for illustrating so eloquently what i view to be the very core of our problems as a country today.

btw - i don't view us as "enemies". i'm just not going to push things to that extreme despite that being the rage for both sides to do.

dude, I am no cheerleader for anyone, nor do I look for support. I'm fine on my own. It is nice to see fellow americans however who think the same. Then I know the country ain't all fked up.

I'm happy to call out anyone, even someone who's agreed with me in the past such as yourself, so the premise you started to attack fell short cause you make my point right now.

I say you're leaning left cause your arguments are in line with theirs at this moment. I thought you were for america, but it seems that really you aren't, that moves you left. sorry about that, that's just a fact in today's argument. We have borders, we are a sovereign nation and have laws. we aren't third world, we hold people accountable.

Not sure what hate you think I'm spewing. That's the part I'm uncertain of. You keep saying spewing hate to hate. what do you think hate is? Maybe it's your definition. To me it is someone who thinks another doesn't have a right to exist. I'm aware of only one party that wishes such.

first - i never said you. i said hate is an american culture problem.

you're the one needing to push me to "the left" because you and i don't agree. you're the one who says the left is all evil and cannot be compromised with. am i wrong on any of that so far?

your premise is now that everyone on "the left" is ANTI-AMERICAN.

i'm for strict border security. i'm for ending birth right citizenship. i'm for making people go through our processes to come into this country and if they are too difficult, then stay the **** out.

but i'm NOT for stereotyping people who disagree with me into a "hate group" and claiming that because you don't agree with me, you hate america.

*that* is our fundamental issue these days. we simply can't disagree anymore w/o it becoming a huge issue that must be pushed to the extreme every single ******* time.

so we disagree. i fail to see how that makes either of us evil or america-haters.

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments. but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

 

[Lesh]

Shutdown Day 17: White House, Dems disagree on definition of ‘negotiating’

seems to me that they couldn't negotiate so that's why it was shut down. why is reopening it going to change anything?

in any event, what i don't understand is back in 2006 hillary, obama and many on the left said yes, walls are needed. they just didn't want a LONG wall that stretched out in areas where it doesn't make sense. use drones and technology to also supplement this.

so why not go back to what they wanted in 2006 and say "we'll compromise and do this" - around 700-1000 miles of walls *and* technology THEN we follow up by working on DACA and why immigration got to be such a hassle next.

instead we've put ourselves in a collective position where we simply refuse anything but what we want, even if we don't want it but only NOW want it cause *THEY* DON'T want it. whatever it is.

our government's collective mental age is around 8.

Any agreement that doesn't have DACA instituted FIRST is a fool's errand. Trump simply can not be trusted

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

Shutdown Day 17: White House, Dems disagree on definition of ‘negotiating’

seems to me that they couldn't negotiate so that's why it was shut down. why is reopening it going to change anything?

in any event, what i don't understand is back in 2006 hillary, obama and many on the left said yes, walls are needed. they just didn't want a LONG wall that stretched out in areas where it doesn't make sense. use drones and technology to also supplement this.

so why not go back to what they wanted in 2006 and say "we'll compromise and do this" - around 700-1000 miles of walls *and* technology THEN we follow up by working on DACA and why immigration got to be such a hassle next.

instead we've put ourselves in a collective position where we simply refuse anything but what we want, even if we don't want it but only NOW want it cause *THEY* DON'T want it. whatever it is.

our government's collective mental age is around 8.

Why do Amercans need to suffer to negotiate this?
They could open it up and set another deadline for a vote and negotiate in the interim.

nothing was done previously that led to the shut down to negotiate. it's a horrible way to bring someone to the table saying **** OFF AND DO IT OUR WAY OR WE DO NOTHING.

if they offer an intermediate plan and say "end the shutdown and we can start "here"" would be a better approach then **** YOU.

There's really nothing to negotiate. We need real immigration reform, not a stupid wall. Never fear, however. One side will eventually stand down, and we're back to business as usual, albeit deeper in debt.

 

[jc456]

well it seems the bulb burnt out. Not sure your strategy to make enemies of once common thinkers. you seem to be leaning more left than I like. Hate is hate, and the ones who hate the most are the leftists. Dude you can call out GOPers all day, but the left is the hate group. always have. kkk, Nazis I mean to group GOP into that is strange at best.

Crawl out of your feel sorry for the country and stand up for it. tell these evil kkk'ers to go to fking hell. it's really quite simple. the left don't negotiate, everyone else knows that.

you now say i'm left leaning.
i'm perfectly willing to negotiate.

in one post you just blew up your entire premise but i'll bet somehow this is now *my* fault.

not sure why you feel the need to attack because suddenly i'm not behind you going YEAH!!!!! for the record, i've said people who are quick to label the GOP "nazi" "racist" and the like are ******* retarded and stupid and void of any rational thought. but yea, i must be on their side cause we disagree on this point, huh?

is that what you require out of people, to agree with you on *everything*?

and in case you've missed it, i call out the left quite a bit for the very same behavior and yes - i think they're horrible at it. HOWEVER, i don't see returning hate with hate as a solution. it's not practical nor realistic to think that everyone is always going to agree. it's what we do when we disagree that defines us, to me, and so far as soon as we disagree i become the enemy.

thank you for illustrating so eloquently what i view to be the very core of our problems as a country today.

btw - i don't view us as "enemies". i'm just not going to push things to that extreme despite that being the rage for both sides to do.

dude, I am no cheerleader for anyone, nor do I look for support. I'm fine on my own. It is nice to see fellow americans however who think the same. Then I know the country ain't all fked up.

I'm happy to call out anyone, even someone who's agreed with me in the past such as yourself, so the premise you started to attack fell short cause you make my point right now.

I say you're leaning left cause your arguments are in line with theirs at this moment. I thought you were for america, but it seems that really you aren't, that moves you left. sorry about that, that's just a fact in today's argument. We have borders, we are a sovereign nation and have laws. we aren't third world, we hold people accountable.

Not sure what hate you think I'm spewing. That's the part I'm uncertain of. You keep saying spewing hate to hate. what do you think hate is? Maybe it's your definition. To me it is someone who thinks another doesn't have a right to exist. I'm aware of only one party that wishes such.

first - i never said you. i said hate is an american culture problem.

you're the one needing to push me to "the left" because you and i don't agree. you're the one who says the left is all evil and cannot be compromised with. am i wrong on any of that so far?

your premise is now that everyone on "the left" is ANTI-AMERICAN.

i'm for strict border security. i'm for ending birth right citizenship. i'm for making people go through our processes to come into this country and if they are too difficult, then stay the **** out.

but i'm NOT for stereotyping people who disagree with me into a "hate group" and claiming that because you don't agree with me, you hate america.

*that* is our fundamental issue these days. we simply can't disagree anymore w/o it becoming a huge issue that must be pushed to the extreme every single ******* time.

so we disagree. i fail to see how that makes either of us evil or america-haters.

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments. but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works.

You think if I tell everyone to settle down and make peace makes some difference.

It's true I am utterly American. I have no use for the histrionics and hyperbole used by Progs. Compulsion is not compassion, it is a weapon people like you use to force everyone to do the things YOU think we should do.

the highligted part is what you're trying to do. I talk in fact, not innuendo, I expect something for something. Hard work isn't paid for by someone snatching money out of the hard workers hand. that's Progressiveness to the T.

Give lazy billy a grand from the loser hard worker. When in your world did that all the sudden become #1 to you?

Bringing in illegals or giving out welfare, hyperbole is hyperbole. Again, you use to believe hard work mattered. now you're mocking it. that's left of me. sorry, that is reality. I'm saddened that another american moved left. But all that means is you're just another prog ass that I give two shits about.

You keep comparing the GOP to Dems, and that is so far from the truth and that is just a compulsion of yours. It's what gets you to sleep. I don't need anything to get me to sleep. I stand for Military families, tax cuts, the Blacks that don't know any better, the poor that I'd hoped would battle out of poverty into freedom of work. I believe in school choice for that very reason. The left abandon these people by constantly voting against it. I spit at them. I call them out. I hate that they hate so many americans. Yes I do. I will challenge them if they get my fking face. And any fking person that is for an illegal over a citizen is dead in my world. I stand for America and our values. fk the left.

If you don't believe in all that America I stand for, then yes, you are of no value to me. And yes, the past is the past.

 

[iceberg]

you now say i'm left leaning.
i'm perfectly willing to negotiate.

in one post you just blew up your entire premise but i'll bet somehow this is now *my* fault.

not sure why you feel the need to attack because suddenly i'm not behind you going YEAH!!!!! for the record, i've said people who are quick to label the GOP "nazi" "racist" and the like are ******* retarded and stupid and void of any rational thought. but yea, i must be on their side cause we disagree on this point, huh?

is that what you require out of people, to agree with you on *everything*?

and in case you've missed it, i call out the left quite a bit for the very same behavior and yes - i think they're horrible at it. HOWEVER, i don't see returning hate with hate as a solution. it's not practical nor realistic to think that everyone is always going to agree. it's what we do when we disagree that defines us, to me, and so far as soon as we disagree i become the enemy.

thank you for illustrating so eloquently what i view to be the very core of our problems as a country today.

btw - i don't view us as "enemies". i'm just not going to push things to that extreme despite that being the rage for both sides to do.

dude, I am no cheerleader for anyone, nor do I look for support. I'm fine on my own. It is nice to see fellow americans however who think the same. Then I know the country ain't all fked up.

I'm happy to call out anyone, even someone who's agreed with me in the past such as yourself, so the premise you started to attack fell short cause you make my point right now.

I say you're leaning left cause your arguments are in line with theirs at this moment. I thought you were for america, but it seems that really you aren't, that moves you left. sorry about that, that's just a fact in today's argument. We have borders, we are a sovereign nation and have laws. we aren't third world, we hold people accountable.

Not sure what hate you think I'm spewing. That's the part I'm uncertain of. You keep saying spewing hate to hate. what do you think hate is? Maybe it's your definition. To me it is someone who thinks another doesn't have a right to exist. I'm aware of only one party that wishes such.

first - i never said you. i said hate is an american culture problem.

you're the one needing to push me to "the left" because you and i don't agree. you're the one who says the left is all evil and cannot be compromised with. am i wrong on any of that so far?

your premise is now that everyone on "the left" is ANTI-AMERICAN.

i'm for strict border security. i'm for ending birth right citizenship. i'm for making people go through our processes to come into this country and if they are too difficult, then stay the **** out.

but i'm NOT for stereotyping people who disagree with me into a "hate group" and claiming that because you don't agree with me, you hate america.

*that* is our fundamental issue these days. we simply can't disagree anymore w/o it becoming a huge issue that must be pushed to the extreme every single ******* time.

so we disagree. i fail to see how that makes either of us evil or america-haters.

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments. but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works..

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try or believe in diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

 

[jc456]

dude, I am no cheerleader for anyone, nor do I look for support. I'm fine on my own. It is nice to see fellow americans however who think the same. Then I know the country ain't all fked up.

I'm happy to call out anyone, even someone who's agreed with me in the past such as yourself, so the premise you started to attack fell short cause you make my point right now.

I say you're leaning left cause your arguments are in line with theirs at this moment. I thought you were for america, but it seems that really you aren't, that moves you left. sorry about that, that's just a fact in today's argument. We have borders, we are a sovereign nation and have laws. we aren't third world, we hold people accountable.

Not sure what hate you think I'm spewing. That's the part I'm uncertain of. You keep saying spewing hate to hate. what do you think hate is? Maybe it's your definition. To me it is someone who thinks another doesn't have a right to exist. I'm aware of only one party that wishes such.

first - i never said you. i said hate is an american culture problem.

you're the one needing to push me to "the left" because you and i don't agree. you're the one who says the left is all evil and cannot be compromised with. am i wrong on any of that so far?

your premise is now that everyone on "the left" is ANTI-AMERICAN.

i'm for strict border security. i'm for ending birth right citizenship. i'm for making people go through our processes to come into this country and if they are too difficult, then stay the **** out.

but i'm NOT for stereotyping people who disagree with me into a "hate group" and claiming that because you don't agree with me, you hate america.

*that* is our fundamental issue these days. we simply can't disagree anymore w/o it becoming a huge issue that must be pushed to the extreme every single ******* time.

so we disagree. i fail to see how that makes either of us evil or america-haters.

well, again, I called out the left and as far as I'm concerned they hate america. I give two shits what you or anyone else thinks. Liberals use to be sane negotiators at one time in their existence and then the left took over. They aren't for working america, it's why clinton lost. she couldn't ever say the fking word middle class. they mock coal workers who are back at work, they mock those who believe in a border wall, they mock the tax cut, all things american. So excuse my sorry ass for not having some concern that they are not for what america is for. Not to mention taking away the 1st and 2nd amendments. but dude, hey go comfort their hateful american bashing asses, I give two shits. and go trump and build that mthr fking wall and then get rid of DACA. fk all illegals, that ain't hate, that's AMERICAN PRIDE.

i've already said the "extreme" natures on both sides are really making life difficult for the rest of us in the middle. this entire discussion is exhibit a i suppose.

you and i disagree, and in just a few short posts, over a year of posting history is forgotten cause you and i don't agree on a topic. i never called you out on it, never said you were not american or the like. all i said was hate is a common thread on both sides and it's killing the country.

you're simply not being reasonable nor listening to what i'm saying, now that you've slid me to the left. in fact i'm saying you have every right to feel the way you do and voice your concerns. even if that means you hate me along the way. that is in fact a right we all do share, correct?

if they come after guns, i'm there to fight against it. lock stock and barrel so to speak. i think 90% of the anti-gun crowd are just parrots who simply don't understand guns, so instead of learning where they're wrong, they want 'em all gone. i think that's ass-nugget stupid.

but you're on an emotional rant right now worthy of being... "liberal". so have fun. i support your right to do so.

well dude, you are to the left of me. you think diplomacy works..

i quit reading here. you're in an emotional attack mode and not about to listen to reason from someone you're "mad" at.

you just said no one on the right will ever try diplomacy. after that nothing intelligent can follow so i'm out for now.

with a leftist, that is correct. Again, I explained in a previous post, they don't negotiate. So it's something that isn't even on the table. You're watching it play out with the phrase from the left, you have to open the government to negotiate. well duh, if you open the government why would they then negotiate? for someone like you to believe that tactic speaks loudly.

I'll gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today. Whimpy said it best.