No More Foreign Wars

[sparky]

IT'S NOT AN EMPIRE.

depends on one's definition Unkotare

~S~

 

[gipper]

IT'S NOT AN EMPIRE.

You keep clicking your heels and telling yourself that.

 

[Zavulon]

The media lied about Iraq attacking Kuwait?

Yes.

The media lied about Russia attacking Afghanistan?

Yes.

The media lied about 9/11?

Yes.

The media lied about the 7 October 2003 Hamas attack on Israel?

Yes.

But it's not the point. Media are not decision-makers. They are just doing their job by advertising already made decisions. And their job, is, basically, to lie. Journalists couldn't say a word of truth even if their life depends on it.

The most important American problem is not lying journalists. They lie everywhere. The most important American problem is lying and simply unprofessional intelligence officers. No proper information - no proper decisions.

 

[Mac-7]

Totally agree. But they are far more harmless now that American ones.

Buzz off to your own country and leave us alone

 

[Unkotare]

You keep clicking your heels and telling yourself that.

Keep telling the truth? Ok.

 

[Couchpotato]

And a hell of a lot of those were actually UN Interventions and not US Interventions.

Case in point, the UN Multinational Force in Lebanon from 1982-1984. Commanded by a Spanish General, most of the forces involved were French, Italian, UK, and US.

Tell that to the 220 Marines who lost their lives there.

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[Couchpotato]

IT'S NOT AN EMPIRE.

The US is most definitely an empire. Just because we dont invade and conquer countries like Empires used to do doesnt change that fact.

 

[Couchpotato]

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

But it's not the point. Media are not decision-makers. They are just doing their job by advertising already made decisions. And their job, is, basically, to lie. Journalists couldn't say a word of truth even if their life depends on it.

The most important American problem is not lying journalists. They lie everywhere. The most important American problem is lying and simply unprofessional intelligence officers. No proper information - no proper decisions.

Which alternate universe do you live in?

 

[ESay]

Buzz off to your own country and leave us alone

Dude, aren't you against isolationism? You want to meddle in other countries, but those others are supposed to 'leave you alone'? This doesn't work this way.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Actually, as is common in such cases the ship was actually flagged as an American ship. Which is precisely why they had an American Captain.

And Kuwait did the exact same thing in the "Tanker War", reflagging most of their oil fleet as American ships, which entitled them to direct protection of the US Navy.

There are not a lot of "American Flagged" ships in the modern era, companies are much more likely to flag in nations like Panama or the Bahamas because it is significantly cheaper. But in areas where you often have pirates and other dangers related to conflict, many will go ahead and pay the much higher amounts to flag as American ships because in doing so they get direct protection from the US Navy.

The flag flown has nothing to do with the ship's master. It is required for the country of the ship's registry. My further research revealed that the ship was actually registered as an American ship when its name was changed.

You are correct regarding the reflagging during the tanker war. Not bad for a ground-pounder!

The reason why there are few ships registered in the US is that every ship must meet all US Coast Guard regulations, which is much harder for foreign ships to do. You are correct that it is more expensive, but the Coast Guard requirements are the main factor.

 

[Zavulon]

Which alternate universe do you live in?

Basically you can call it "Pravda-verse". And you?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I think you’re wrong about that. If you polled Iraqis prior to the Iraq war and gave them the choices of keeping the status quo with Saddam or all that happened with the Iraq war including some estimates of over a million deaths due to the war I’m not sure a majority are signing up for that.

Their own people were responsible for the extreme majority of those deaths. We did not target civilians.

 

[Mac-7]

Dude, aren't you against isolationism? You want to meddle in other countries, but those others are supposed to 'leave you alone'? This doesn't work this way.

Not where foreign shills like you are concerned

The less we hear from you the better

 

[Couchpotato]

Their own people were responsible for the extreme majority of those deaths. We did not target civilians.

Ok. We fucked up that country for over a decade. No one on either side would have voted for that war knowing then what we know now.

 

[Zavulon]

Ok. We fucked up that country for over a decade. No one on either side would have voted for that war knowing then what we know now.

Really? What if the alternative was even worse? Like, say, one 9-11 type attack every year?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

a little perspective>>>



~S~

Did you know that most of those "bases" are facilities on foreign military bases? There is a US Navy presence permanently in Rota, Spain. I flew int a civilian airport from elsewhere in Spain. When we drove up to the gate, the sign was in Spanish and did not mention the US Navy at all. The gate guards were Spanish Marines, I believe. It's not a small presence, but we have ships forward deployed there now.

By contrast, back in the late 80s, these kinds of maps often showed a naval base in Montgomery AL where my recruiting district was located in an office park, where we took up less than one floor of the building. There were also two Air Force facilities in town, but we were listed just the same. We had about 30 people assigned to this "so-called" base. Some of my people worked on the Air Force Station.

During Desert Storm, we had an airbase in Egypt near the Red Sea. I went there to pick up parts for my ship. It was a couple of tents near a dirt airstrip where our cargo planes could land.

The point is that many of these bases are tiny or are joint bases with our allies. Also, many of the bases and facilities that existed in the Med during my days are gone. Souda bay Crete, La Madelena, Sicily, Athens, Greece all once had naval bases, or activities.

 

[gipper]

Did you know that most of those "bases" are facilities on foreign military bases? There is a US Navy presence permanently in Rota, Spain. I flew int a civilian airport from elsewhere in Spain. When we drove up to the gate, the sign was in Spanish and did not mention the US Navy at all. The gate guards were Spanish Marines, I believe. It's not a small presence, but we have ships forward deployed there now.

By contrast, back in the late 80s, these kinds of maps often showed a naval base in Montgomery AL where my recruiting district was located in an office park, where we took up less than one floor of the building. There were also two Air Force facilities in town, but we were listed just the same. We had about 30 people assigned to this "so-called" base. Some of my people worked on the Air Force Station.

During Desert Storm, we had an airbase in Egypt near the Red Sea. I went there to pick up parts for my ship. It was a couple of tents near a dirt airstrip where our cargo planes could land.

The point is that many of these bases are tiny or are joint bases with our allies. Also, many of the bases and facilities that existed in the Med during my days are gone. Souda bay Crete, La Madelena, Sicily, Athens, Greece all once had naval bases, or activities.

Means nothing.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

And yet many dumb Americans refuse to believe it’s an empire.
Unkotare

Who are the governors of the other countries in our empire? Be specific by name who is in charge.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Ok. We fucked up that country for over a decade. No one on either side would have voted for that war knowing then what we know now.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Ever hear that before?

 

[irosie91]

Did you know that most of those "bases" are facilities on foreign military bases? There is a US Navy presence permanently in Rota, Spain. I flew int a civilian airport from elsewhere in Spain. When we drove up to the gate, the sign was in Spanish and did not mention the US Navy at all. The gate guards were Spanish Marines, I believe. It's not a small presence, but we have ships forward deployed there now.

By contrast, back in the late 80s, these kinds of maps often showed a naval base in Montgomery AL where my recruiting district was located in an office park, where we took up less than one floor of the building. There were also two Air Force facilities in town, but we were listed just the same. We had about 30 people assigned to this "so-called" base. Some of my people worked on the Air Force Station.

During Desert Storm, we had an airbase in Egypt near the Red Sea. I went there to pick up parts for my ship. It was a couple of tents near a dirt airstrip where our cargo planes could land.

The point is that many of these bases are tiny or are joint bases with our allies. Also, many of the bases and facilities that existed in the Med during my days are gone. Souda bay Crete, La Madelena, Sicily, Athens, Greece all once had naval bases, or activities.

interesting reality-----cities BENEFIT from the presence of US military
bases----economically and socially-----you're welcome OVER THERE