Why do some Americans believe they single handedly won WW2?

[Stryder50]

Still forced Hitler to put most of his military forces on the Eastern Front.
If Germany had put its best forces on the Western Front, we never would have taken it back

Germany did put some of it's best and most experienced units, which had fought on the Russian Front in France.
However the Allies had such command and superiority of the air, along with hundreds of ground attack aircraft roaming over France, that German units were constant targets and often forced to move at nighttime to avoid being attacked by the jabos.

 

[westwall]

Germany did put some of it's best and most experienced units, which had fought on the Russian Front in France.
However the Allies had such command and superiority of the air, along with hundreds of ground attack aircraft roaming over France, that German units were constant targets and often forced to move at nighttime to avoid being attacked by the jabos.

We didn't have air superiority, we had air SUPREMACY. We literally ruled the skies.

 

[Stryder50]

We didn't have air superiority, we had air SUPREMACY. We literally ruled the skies.

My faux-pax, but I'll not edit my post, letting you have the credit for accuracy.

 

[westwall]

My faux-pax, but I'll not edit my post, letting you have the credit for accuracy.

No worries.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The topic of the thread is that the US single handedly won WWII
When I was in HS, what I learned about WWII was Pearl Harbor, D Day, Battle of the Bulge and Hiroshima
They never taught us about Barbarosa, Stalingrad or Kursk.

That's because our high school curriculum was thousands of miles wide and only an inch deep. Not really good for navigating.

It was also taught as American History not a course on World War II.

If you really want to study history, you need to take college courses. I took a course the professor emeritus called the War of the Northern Aggression because he was old enough to have fought in it for the Confederacy! I took classes in Middle Eastern Diplomacy from a former foreign service officer. I took a class in military history from a former British Army officer. My history of air power class was taught by the man who was the head librarian of the Air war College for the Air Force and wrote the official history of Delta Airlines.

 

[Zavulon]

Considering that Hitler had a long standing goal to crush Marxism/Communism it would be a 'Twilight Zone' alternative reality that you are suggesting, advocating.

It's not just about Hitler and his personal goals. It's more about German nation in whole. Drang nach Osten was their modus operandi for the thousand years. Therefore Stalin's (as well as Putin's) illusions about possibility of the peaceful coexistence with them are yes, just illusions.

So yes, our alternative story with peaceful trade and coexistence of Russia and Germany in 1940s is even more "alternative" than a story with Russian Empire, bought Mexico in 1810s, effectively established Russian order there and prevented American-Mexican war (with keeping all old Mexican territories and taking new ones).

Russia was going to be embroiled in war against Nazi Germany per most reliable probabilities and odds. Hence from 1941 to mid 1945 Russia had little resource to fight Japan, nor much leverage to make demands on USA and UK.
BTW, good thing Stalin trusted that treaty with Japan since he pulled the bulk of best units in the East to rush to the front in West to face off the German invasion.

He, also, more or less trusted the treaty with Germans, and his trust costed Russia millions of lifes.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Its hard to win a war with one hand. Unless you are in a B29 named Boxcar and your hand is on the bomb release button.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Still forced Hitler to put most of his military forces on the Eastern Front.
If Germany had put its best forces on the Western Front, we never would have taken it back

You are ignoring the ability of WAllied tacair to starve out German forces in France. More troops just means more gasoline, more food and more ammo would need to be transported by train and soft skinned transport that was easily destroyed by aircraft. Once the WAllies achieved aerial supremacy over France and aerial superiority over Germany, supplies could only move at night.

As it was, German vehicles resembled moving trees to avoid aerial attack.

 

[AZrailwhale]

IRCC the German army often sent panzer units/divisions to France for rest, refit, and rearm. Hence the units you mention had earlier fought on the Russian Front.

BEFORE OVERLORD when France was a relatively peaceful occupied country.

 

[whitehall]

The concept of patriotism was turned upside down during Vietnam and now the ignorant commie left thinks the 400,000 Americans who gave their lives in WW2 were really losers. WTF?

 

[rightwinger]

The concept of patriotism was turned upside down during Vietnam and now the ignorant commie left thinks the 400,000 Americans who gave their lives in WW2 were really losers. WTF?

Nobody said they were losers
Just they didn’t win it by themselves

Other nations lost millions

 

[Crepitus]

Loving the monarchy moar than yoar own nation certainly does.

The ones trying for a monarchy are you guys.

 

[Crepitus]

Nobody said they were losers

tRump said they were.

John Kelly confirms Trump privately disparaged U.S. service members and veterans

Trump called fallen soldiers "suckers” and "losers" during his presidency, according to a 2020 report in The Atlantic.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Crepitus]

Depends on how one expresses that "anti-tRump" posture.
If it's a repeat of the insurrections of antifa and BLM as seen during Summer of 2020 it would and should be viewed as treason ~ traitor. FWIW those insurrections of 2020 should have been handled as treason, sedition, and secession.

Son, the only insurrections were perpetrated by tRump and his loyal oompah-loompahs.

You know this.

 

[MisterBeale]

The ones trying for a monarchy are you guys.

That seems like a very specious claim.

How do I promote monarchy?

 

[Crepitus]

That seems like a very specious claim.

How do I promote monarchy?

By supporting tRump.

 

[MisterBeale]

By supporting tRump.

How do you know I support Trump, any proof?

 

[Stryder50]

Son, the only insurrections were perpetrated by tRump and his loyal oompah-loompahs.

You know this.

Well kid I beg to differ.
(And I don't endorse, "know", your lies and delusions as truth.)

Would seem you either don't know the definition of insurrection or are lying. I'd be inclined to go with the later but your track record suggests it's both.

Illegal trespass and occupation of private and public property; declaration of "autonomous zones" ~i.e. legal laws don't apply here, a.k.a. = secession; riots; arsons; looting; vandalisms; assaults and murders; illegal firearms possessions; general mayhem and lawlessness; ALL this over the span of a few months (most of the Summer) in over a hundred USA cities would fit the usual definition of insurrection as applied in historical; military; cultural; sociology; and anthropological usage.

I would suggest you consider a repeat of your K-12 and college education but would seem you sucked down the kool-aid propaganda and may be beyond injection of rational thought, logic and reason.

Your long record here is as a voice of Marxist anarchy and social disruption with no positive agenda or goal that would benefit humankind so I'm doubting there is any hope of you developing sanity.

I only reply for benefit of any readers who haven't realized your negativity and social disruption attitude, agenda, and goals.

 

[Stryder50]

Its hard to win a war with one hand. Unless you are in a B29 named Boxcar and your hand is on the bomb release button.

Actually the name was "Bock's Car". Happens to be my family name.
It dropped the second bomb.
First was from "Enola Gay".

 

[PeterPilot]

It seems to crop up quite a few times where posters claim everyone would be speaking German if the US hadn't won WW2.

Time for America to get over its WWII nostalgia

It was the nadir of human history, not a Saturday morning cartoon

theweek.com

There's nothing wrong with an interest in history. But the distorted and chauvinist way the war's history has been presented in the popular imagination is a major problem. It's long since time Americans adopted a more realistic and sensible attitude towards World War II.

The greatest error of historical fact in America's popular interpretation of the war is the idea that the United States won it pretty much single-handedly.

So despite actual history, do you still believe America single-handedly won WW2? Why? Is it something school taught you or your parents? Genuinely would like to know.

Humans in general are easily indoctrinated by official narratives. That's why propagandists are so common, and why Woodrow Wilson hired Edward Bernays to "manipulate the public perception"