No Jews, No News (Bill Maher)

[odanny]

1947 Territory has been renounced by the Ottoman Empire (now Turkey) by the Treaty of Lausanne. Territory is defined in the Mandate for Palestine for the re-constitution of the Jewish homeland under the temporary administration of Great Britain.

Great Britain had authority to grant refugees the right to resettle lands they did not come from? Who granted Great Britain this authority? Was it their colonial past that bestowed this authority?

Do you not comprehend why citizens of Palestine would not accept their verdict?

Of course, after the destruction of the 2nd temple in the Jewish-Roman war of 70 AD, and the subsequent Diaspora Revolt of 117 AD, Jews were forced to flee their homeland, and this somehow grants them autonomy to return in 1947 and claim ownership? After almost two millennia?

To some people, this is what they use for justification, correct?

 

[Shusha]

What quibbling. You made a claim about some pre-existing "Palestine" but don't really know what you are talking about.

Sure I can Israel shrunk when it gave back the Sinai. And Gaza.

I struggle to understand why this is so hard for people to comprehend. Specifically, why is it so hard to understand that "people live there" /= sovereign State. They don't seem to have trouble with understanding that Catalonia is not a sovereign State, even though the Catalans live there. Or the Basques. The Kurds. The Quebecois. First Nations. Etc. Etc.

 

[sparky]

Anecdotally the M.E. is the a**hole of humanity , with vying factions all trying to gain the moral high ground

There are many ugly truths that will never see the light of day in the USofA , unless we allow them it

~S~

 

[Shusha]

Great Britain had authority to grant refugees the right to resettle lands they did not come from? Who granted Great Britain this authority? Was it their colonial past that bestowed this authority?

I'm just trying to explain to you how international law works. Treaties are how States decide things with other States.

Follow along:
Ottoman Empire renounces all claims to the territory. The territory is no longer belongs to the Ottoman Empire. The future of those territories are to be decided by the "parties concerned". Treaty of Lausanne, Article 16.

The concept of self-determination is introduced into international law through with established States holding temporary administrative powers over territories which are "unable to stand alone". Covenant of the League of Nations, Article 22.

The territory of Palestine was assigned to Great Britain. Part of the territory was recognized as the homeland of the Jewish people and was to be developed by the Jewish people under the tutelage and support of Great Britain. Part of the territory was established as the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. Mandate for Palestine.

So yes, Great Britain had the authority of various treaties to act on behalf of the Jewish people to re-constitute their homeland, until such time as the Jewish people could "stand alone".

 

[sparky]

I'm just trying to explain to you how international law works.

and i've been trying to 'state' how American law works , which social media (including the USMB) is subject to Shusha

~S~

 

[odanny]

The territory of Palestine was assigned to Great Britain.

Therein lies the problem.

 

[Shusha]

Therein lies the problem.

Great Britain was the mandatory. The administrator. Their obligation was temporary tutelage and administration until the people of the territory could form a government and become self-determining. Great Britain never had any sovereign claim to the territory.

Are you claiming that the mandate system is the problem? What do you think should have happened in the absence of a sovereign?

 

[Shusha]

Do you not comprehend why citizens of Palestine would not accept their verdict?

Shrug. Sure. Arab Muslims think that Jews shouldn't have any sovereign territory or rights in the Jewish indigenous ancestral homeland. They think once conquered and colonized, it is theirs by right.

 

[Lockback]

See, here's the deal:
Comedy is admittedly subjective.
But Bill Maher is bright. Erudite. Consistent. And, most of all, funny.
Let's see ... what other comedian is in the news...
Oh, yes.
Jimmy Kimmel.
And Stephen Colbert.
Jimmy Kimmel isn't bright. He's not erudite. He is somewhat consistent but only in his fawning worship for the Democrat Party and the Far Left. So is Colbert. They literally had only Democrats on their shows.
Maher is consistent for his love of the Constitution and free speech.
Maher is an adult.
Kimmel is a child.
Colbert is a brat.
Maher is the Real Deal, a true liberal who still treasures free speech and understands the difference between good and evil, even though he's an atheist.
Kimmel is a fraud who says controversial unfunny things, then weeps on the air, trying to paint himself as a victim.
Colbert, who was losing CBS $40 million a year, has also portrayed himself as a victim and has acted like a spoiled brat child who needs a switch across his ass.
Maher doesn't whine. Of course, he works for a cable channel, which has a lot more freedom than the broadcast networks the Two Frauds represent.
Maher is always interesting.
Kimmel and Colbert are as interesting as watching somebody strain while on the toilet.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes. GB who took the land from the Ottoman Empire gave it to em. Israel has elections. Who stole what? Land was given to them by GB.

The British had no business giving away anyone's land.

This imperialist/Colonialist nonsense needs to stop.

 

[JoeB131]

See, here's the deal:
Comedy is admittedly subjective.
But Bill Maher is bright. Erudite. Consistent. And, most of all, funny.
Let's see ... what other comedian is in the news...
Oh, yes.
Jimmy Kimmel.
And Stephen Colbert.
Jimmy Kimmel isn't bright. He's not erudite. He is somewhat consistent but only in his fawning worship for the Democrat Party and the Far Left. So is Colbert. They literally had only Democrats on their shows.
Maher is consistent for his love of the Constitution and free speech.
Maher is an adult.
Kimmel is a child.
Colbert is a brat.
Maher is the Real Deal, a true liberal who still treasures free speech and understands the difference between good and evil, even though he's an atheist.
Kimmel is a fraud who says controversial unfunny things, then weeps on the air, trying to paint himself as a victim.
Colbert, who was losing CBS $40 million a year, has also portrayed himself as a victim and has acted like a spoiled brat child who needs a switch across his ass.
Maher doesn't whine. Of course, he works for a cable channel, which has a lot more freedom than the broadcast networks the Two Frauds represent.
Maher is always interesting.
Kimmel and Colbert are as interesting as watching somebody strain while on the toilet.

Sorry, I stopped listening to anything Maher had to say when he said the Arabs were brave for flying planes into buildings, but our servicemen were cowards for firing missiles over long distances.

Which is why Jimmy Kimmel has his ABC slot today.

 

[Shusha]

The British had no business giving away anyone's land.

The British never had any rights to that land and therefore could not have ceded it to anyone. They were to facilitate the self-determination of the Arab people (Jordan) and the Jewish people (Israel).

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

What was that old saying by Mark Twain?

Coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in SF

You’re a typical deranged lib

That’s my quote

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The British had no business giving away anyone's land.

This imperialist/Colonialist nonsense needs to stop.

Why not? To the winner go the spoils. Ottoman Empire lost the war. Are you feeling OK?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No, I just have a different opinion of who the "Victim" here is.

Let's imagine an alternative timeline where the British kept their word to the Arabs and let them have their own countries and didn't try to resettle Europe's Jews in Palestine.

Let's also assume for the sake of this argument that the series of events that made the Austrian Mustasche Man happen didn't happen in this timeline and there was no systematic attempt to exterminate the Jews of Europe.

Do you think Israel would happen or the Palestinians would have a beef with them?

I don't.

There was no country called Palestine post WW2