No historical Jesus

[sealybobo]

The Gospels are the sole source of information about a historical Jesus. Everything that we know about Jesus and Christianity depends on that source. Confucius 6th century BC Chinese sage and founder of Confucianism from the Analects “love thy neighbor as thyself. Do nothing to thy neighbor, which thou wouldst not have him do to thee hereafter”. These verses were not original to the gospels. Nobody knows when they were written or who wrote them. The Bible-based religions we now have (Catholic or Protestant) are nothing like the Hebrew religion of the church established at Jerusalem. The practices of this first Jewish church are not practiced by any major religion and they are almost unknown. In its place are doctrines of Christianity, which was begun by Constantine. In Matthew and Mark the Romans crucify Jesus, but in Luke and John it is the Jews who crucify him.

Numbers 23:19 states that God is not a man. God was not born, and God certainly did not die.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were being written in 150 BCE and continued until 70 CE, a period of 220 years. During those years 872 scrolls were written in Hebrew and Aramaic by the peoples of Qumran. The supposed life of Jesus was between 2 BCE and 36 CE (38 years) and the Great Temple of the Jews in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. These dates are important for understanding the importance of what the Dead Sea Scrolls revealed. After scholars completed the translation work on the Dead Sea Scrolls a very important fact was obvious.

Nowhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls was the name of Jesus mentioned, and Christianity had no support in the translations. The Dead Sea Scrolls challenged the two most fundamental beliefs of Christianity: the uniqueness of Jesus Christ and Christianity as the embodiment of the message of Christ. The scrolls make no mention of Jesus or that the ‘Jesus message’ originated with him.

God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs

Do you watch movie scenes out of sequence?

Just the Godfather and Pulp Fiction.

 

[sealybobo]

There are many instances in TJS where a person's beauty is specified.
This is an important facet of a person when they choose a life of dedication to God as opposed to a life of narcisism.

" TJS" ? also what is your expertise in Religious studies?

The Jewish Scriptures.
My expertise in Judaism & TNT...Pretty heavy.
I can read Hebrew and Aramaic.
The Talmud is in Aramaic.
I spend about 30 hours a week reading, attending classes and listening to downloads.
Been studying since 1980.
Spent 1998-2003 studying TNT reading entire Cannon 5 times verse by verse.

That is very nice , I have taken many courses at the undergraduate and graduate level in religion to the point where it was a minor and have spent my entire adult life studying at various seminaries. I have studied this question and in the end Jesus did walk the earth. That is supported by primary sources such as the bible.

At thus juncture I will take a step back and present Harold W. Attridge:The Lillian Claus Professor of New Testament Yale Divinity School, who states:

"Speaking as a historian, why is it such a problem to know anything about the life of Jesus, and what are the sources you can draw on?

The problem in understanding Jesus as a historian begins with the fact that we have rather limited sources for reconstructing his life. Those sources are primarily the gospel traditions that we have in the New Testament, some apocryphal materials from the early Christian tradition, and some sources external to the New Testament. Those sources external to the New Testament are particularly valuable because they're not directly statements of faith, the way the New Testament materials are. Chief among those external sources is Josephus, a Jewish historian who wrote at the end of the first century and who in book 18 of his "Antiquities of the Jews," has a small passage about Jesus. He also reports about John the Baptist, and about James, the brother of Jesus. And those passages constitute the first external testimonies to the existence of Jesus by someone who was not a follower."

Jesus Many Faces - What Can We Really About Jesus | From Jesus To Christ | FRONTLINE | PBS

What you have is a Jewish Historian who clearly stated Jesus did walk the earth in addition to his brother et al. As of yet, you have not presented any evidence to the contrary.

Actually, what we have is Josephus and the Talmud telling various stories about people named Yeshua who could not possibly have been one person as the Tanai'm involved lived at different points in time.
Every scholar will come to his own and his boss's opinion.

Plus the Josephus "evidence" has been debunked time and again.
Shame on any Academian who utilizes it.
Josephus' Account of Jesus: The Testimonium Flavianum

Did you miss this part? This is from your link...


"For the first time, it has become possible to prove that the Jesus account cannot have been a complete forgery and even to identify which parts were written by Josephus and which were added by a later interpolator.

Read about this discovery here!

Josephus never met Jesus. You know that right? So all he ever wrote about was the man, myth, legend called Jesus. He heard a rumor. BFD. Of course the embellished exaggerated stories started around then.

But make no mistake, Joe never met Jesus. That's called hearsay.

 

[chikenwing]

The Gospels are the sole source of information about a historical Jesus. Everything that we know about Jesus and Christianity depends on that source. Confucius 6th century BC Chinese sage and founder of Confucianism from the Analects “love thy neighbor as thyself. Do nothing to thy neighbor, which thou wouldst not have him do to thee hereafter”. These verses were not original to the gospels. Nobody knows when they were written or who wrote them. The Bible-based religions we now have (Catholic or Protestant) are nothing like the Hebrew religion of the church established at Jerusalem. The practices of this first Jewish church are not practiced by any major religion and they are almost unknown. In its place are doctrines of Christianity, which was begun by Constantine. In Matthew and Mark the Romans crucify Jesus, but in Luke and John it is the Jews who crucify him.

Numbers 23:19 states that God is not a man. God was not born, and God certainly did not die.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were being written in 150 BCE and continued until 70 CE, a period of 220 years. During those years 872 scrolls were written in Hebrew and Aramaic by the peoples of Qumran. The supposed life of Jesus was between 2 BCE and 36 CE (38 years) and the Great Temple of the Jews in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. These dates are important for understanding the importance of what the Dead Sea Scrolls revealed. After scholars completed the translation work on the Dead Sea Scrolls a very important fact was obvious.

Nowhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls was the name of Jesus mentioned, and Christianity had no support in the translations. The Dead Sea Scrolls challenged the two most fundamental beliefs of Christianity: the uniqueness of Jesus Christ and Christianity as the embodiment of the message of Christ. The scrolls make no mention of Jesus or that the ‘Jesus message’ originated with him.[/Q

Your bigotry and hate really should be attended to,your more than likely a danger too others.

 

[Dot Com]

guno knows what he is talking about!!!

 

[Alex.]

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44. He detested both Christians and Jews.

"Scholars generally consider Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[ Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

"44.3. The originator of the name, Christ, was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and though repressed, this destructive superstition erupted again, not only through Judea, which was the origin of this evil, but also through the city of Rome, to which all that is horrible and shameful floods together and is celebrated."

Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians
nonchristianaccounts
Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fact that there is a historical Jesus has been established several times a cross referenced and checked.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The Gospels are the sole source of information about a historical Jesus. Everything that we know about Jesus and Christianity depends on that source. Confucius 6th century BC Chinese sage and founder of Confucianism from the Analects “love thy neighbor as thyself. Do nothing to thy neighbor, which thou wouldst not have him do to thee hereafter”. These verses were not original to the gospels. Nobody knows when they were written or who wrote them. The Bible-based religions we now have (Catholic or Protestant) are nothing like the Hebrew religion of the church established at Jerusalem. The practices of this first Jewish church are not practiced by any major religion and they are almost unknown. In its place are doctrines of Christianity, which was begun by Constantine. In Matthew and Mark the Romans crucify Jesus, but in Luke and John it is the Jews who crucify him.

Numbers 23:19 states that God is not a man. God was not born, and God certainly did not die.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were being written in 150 BCE and continued until 70 CE, a period of 220 years. During those years 872 scrolls were written in Hebrew and Aramaic by the peoples of Qumran. The supposed life of Jesus was between 2 BCE and 36 CE (38 years) and the Great Temple of the Jews in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. These dates are important for understanding the importance of what the Dead Sea Scrolls revealed. After scholars completed the translation work on the Dead Sea Scrolls a very important fact was obvious.

Nowhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls was the name of Jesus mentioned, and Christianity had no support in the translations. The Dead Sea Scrolls challenged the two most fundamental beliefs of Christianity: the uniqueness of Jesus Christ and Christianity as the embodiment of the message of Christ. The scrolls make no mention of Jesus or that the ‘Jesus message’ originated with him.

1. Learn what the Dead Sea Scrolls are. They aren't history books.
2. The historian Josephus wrote of Jesus and the early Church. They are history books.
3. The world changed forever because of one man.
4. Only one reason you start such a thread - you know he is the real deal but are having trouble just admiring it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44. He detested both Christians and Jews.

"Scholars generally consider Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[ Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

"44.3. The originator of the name, Christ, was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and though repressed, this destructive superstition erupted again, not only through Judea, which was the origin of this evil, but also through the city of Rome, to which all that is horrible and shameful floods together and is celebrated."

Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians
nonchristianaccounts
Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fact that there is a historical Jesus has been established several times a cross referenced and checked.

And Pontius Pilate was not considered to be a real person until just a few decades ago when archeologists discovered a stone with his name on it.

 

[sealybobo]

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44. He detested both Christians and Jews.

"Scholars generally consider Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[ Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

"44.3. The originator of the name, Christ, was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and though repressed, this destructive superstition erupted again, not only through Judea, which was the origin of this evil, but also through the city of Rome, to which all that is horrible and shameful floods together and is celebrated."

Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians
nonchristianaccounts
Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fact that there is a historical Jesus has been established several times a cross referenced and checked.

People who heard about him wrote about him. That's hearsay. Did you hear about this guy who does magic in Egypt? He can perform miracles and he is known to be the son of god. They stoned him to death the other day.

So if you write about him, that's hearsay. You didn't see him for yourself. And he may even be a real man. But the son of god? Performed miracles? Mother was a virgin? If I told you about such a person in Egypt today, would you accept it as a fact?

Many many many Greeks swallowed the stories back then and IN FACT many Americans swallow it today. That doesn't make it true.

 

[sealybobo]

The Gospels are the sole source of information about a historical Jesus. Everything that we know about Jesus and Christianity depends on that source. Confucius 6th century BC Chinese sage and founder of Confucianism from the Analects “love thy neighbor as thyself. Do nothing to thy neighbor, which thou wouldst not have him do to thee hereafter”. These verses were not original to the gospels. Nobody knows when they were written or who wrote them. The Bible-based religions we now have (Catholic or Protestant) are nothing like the Hebrew religion of the church established at Jerusalem. The practices of this first Jewish church are not practiced by any major religion and they are almost unknown. In its place are doctrines of Christianity, which was begun by Constantine. In Matthew and Mark the Romans crucify Jesus, but in Luke and John it is the Jews who crucify him.

Numbers 23:19 states that God is not a man. God was not born, and God certainly did not die.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were being written in 150 BCE and continued until 70 CE, a period of 220 years. During those years 872 scrolls were written in Hebrew and Aramaic by the peoples of Qumran. The supposed life of Jesus was between 2 BCE and 36 CE (38 years) and the Great Temple of the Jews in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. These dates are important for understanding the importance of what the Dead Sea Scrolls revealed. After scholars completed the translation work on the Dead Sea Scrolls a very important fact was obvious.

Nowhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls was the name of Jesus mentioned, and Christianity had no support in the translations. The Dead Sea Scrolls challenged the two most fundamental beliefs of Christianity: the uniqueness of Jesus Christ and Christianity as the embodiment of the message of Christ. The scrolls make no mention of Jesus or that the ‘Jesus message’ originated with him.

1. Learn what the Dead Sea Scrolls are. They aren't history books.
2. The historian Josephus wrote of Jesus and the early Church. They are history books.
3. The world changed forever because of one man.
4. Only one reason you start such a thread - you know he is the real deal but are having trouble just admiring it.

1. The Dead Sea Scrolls are just ancient religious texts from superstitious uneducated primitive men.
2. He didn't live through and witness Jesus then wrote about it. He wrote the rumors he heard. Hell, even my ignorant Greek Yaya believed those stories 2000 years later. BFD.
3. The world changed forever with one man. Hitler, Joe Smith, Budda, Ghandi. One day Christianity will go bye bye like the Greek Gods. Notice no Greeks still worship Zeus?
4. You are an atheist too. You just believe in one more God than I do. You don't believe a word of what the Muslims or Mormons say, right? That's all made up, right? Yet you can't imagine that so too is your religion?

 

[Alex.]

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44. He detested both Christians and Jews.

"Scholars generally consider Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[ Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

"44.3. The originator of the name, Christ, was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and though repressed, this destructive superstition erupted again, not only through Judea, which was the origin of this evil, but also through the city of Rome, to which all that is horrible and shameful floods together and is celebrated."

Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians
nonchristianaccounts
Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fact that there is a historical Jesus has been established several times a cross referenced and checked.

People who heard about him wrote about him. That's hearsay. Did you hear about this guy who does magic in Egypt? He can perform miracles and he is known to be the son of god. They stoned him to death the other day.

So if you write about him, that's hearsay. You didn't see him for yourself. And he may even be a real man. But the son of god? Performed miracles? Mother was a virgin? If I told you about such a person in Egypt today, would you accept it as a fact?

Many many many Greeks swallowed the stories back then and IN FACT many Americans swallow it today. That doesn't make it true.

The Bible is considered primary source. The historians I have mentioned are considered to be a secondary source.

A secondary source interprets and analyzes primary sources. These sources are one or more steps removed from the event. Secondary sources may have pictures, quotes or graphics of primary sources in them. Some types of seconday sources include:

• PUBLICATIONS: Textbooks, magazine articles, histories, criticisms, commentaries, encyclopedias

Primary vs Secondary Sources

 

[Indeependent]

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44. He detested both Christians and Jews.

"Scholars generally consider Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[ Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

"44.3. The originator of the name, Christ, was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and though repressed, this destructive superstition erupted again, not only through Judea, which was the origin of this evil, but also through the city of Rome, to which all that is horrible and shameful floods together and is celebrated."

Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians
nonchristianaccounts
Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fact that there is a historical Jesus has been established several times a cross referenced and checked.

I cannot begin to tell you how laughable your links are.
See post 128.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The Gospels are the sole source of information about a historical Jesus. Everything that we know about Jesus and Christianity depends on that source. Confucius 6th century BC Chinese sage and founder of Confucianism from the Analects “love thy neighbor as thyself. Do nothing to thy neighbor, which thou wouldst not have him do to thee hereafter”. These verses were not original to the gospels. Nobody knows when they were written or who wrote them. The Bible-based religions we now have (Catholic or Protestant) are nothing like the Hebrew religion of the church established at Jerusalem. The practices of this first Jewish church are not practiced by any major religion and they are almost unknown. In its place are doctrines of Christianity, which was begun by Constantine. In Matthew and Mark the Romans crucify Jesus, but in Luke and John it is the Jews who crucify him.

Numbers 23:19 states that God is not a man. God was not born, and God certainly did not die.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were being written in 150 BCE and continued until 70 CE, a period of 220 years. During those years 872 scrolls were written in Hebrew and Aramaic by the peoples of Qumran. The supposed life of Jesus was between 2 BCE and 36 CE (38 years) and the Great Temple of the Jews in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. These dates are important for understanding the importance of what the Dead Sea Scrolls revealed. After scholars completed the translation work on the Dead Sea Scrolls a very important fact was obvious.

Nowhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls was the name of Jesus mentioned, and Christianity had no support in the translations. The Dead Sea Scrolls challenged the two most fundamental beliefs of Christianity: the uniqueness of Jesus Christ and Christianity as the embodiment of the message of Christ. The scrolls make no mention of Jesus or that the ‘Jesus message’ originated with him.

1. Learn what the Dead Sea Scrolls are. They aren't history books.
2. The historian Josephus wrote of Jesus and the early Church. They are history books.
3. The world changed forever because of one man.
4. Only one reason you start such a thread - you know he is the real deal but are having trouble just admiring it.

1. The Dead Sea Scrolls are just ancient religious texts from superstitious uneducated primitive men.
2. He didn't live through and witness Jesus then wrote about it. He wrote the rumors he heard. Hell, even my ignorant Greek Yaya believed those stories 2000 years later. BFD.
3. The world changed forever with one man. Hitler, Joe Smith, Budda, Ghandi. One day Christianity will go bye bye like the Greek Gods. Notice no Greeks still worship Zeus?
4. You are an atheist too. You just believe in one more God than I do. You don't believe a word of what the Muslims or Mormons say, right? That's all made up, right? Yet you can't imagine that so too is your religion?

Jesus still loves you!

 

[sealybobo]

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44. He detested both Christians and Jews.

"Scholars generally consider Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[ Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

"44.3. The originator of the name, Christ, was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and though repressed, this destructive superstition erupted again, not only through Judea, which was the origin of this evil, but also through the city of Rome, to which all that is horrible and shameful floods together and is celebrated."

Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians
nonchristianaccounts
Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fact that there is a historical Jesus has been established several times a cross referenced and checked.

People who heard about him wrote about him. That's hearsay. Did you hear about this guy who does magic in Egypt? He can perform miracles and he is known to be the son of god. They stoned him to death the other day.

So if you write about him, that's hearsay. You didn't see him for yourself. And he may even be a real man. But the son of god? Performed miracles? Mother was a virgin? If I told you about such a person in Egypt today, would you accept it as a fact?

Many many many Greeks swallowed the stories back then and IN FACT many Americans swallow it today. That doesn't make it true.

The Bible is considered primary source. The historians I have mentioned are considered to be a secondary source.

A secondary source interprets and analyzes primary sources. These sources are one or more steps removed from the event. Secondary sources may have pictures, quotes or graphics of primary sources in them. Some types of seconday sources include:

• PUBLICATIONS: Textbooks, magazine articles, histories, criticisms, commentaries, encyclopedias

Primary vs Secondary Sources

Mother Goose is not a source that proves the Old Lady Who Lives in a Shoe is real.

And if I write about the little old lady after reading about her in Mother Goose, that isn't evidence.

 

[sealybobo]

The Gospels are the sole source of information about a historical Jesus. Everything that we know about Jesus and Christianity depends on that source. Confucius 6th century BC Chinese sage and founder of Confucianism from the Analects “love thy neighbor as thyself. Do nothing to thy neighbor, which thou wouldst not have him do to thee hereafter”. These verses were not original to the gospels. Nobody knows when they were written or who wrote them. The Bible-based religions we now have (Catholic or Protestant) are nothing like the Hebrew religion of the church established at Jerusalem. The practices of this first Jewish church are not practiced by any major religion and they are almost unknown. In its place are doctrines of Christianity, which was begun by Constantine. In Matthew and Mark the Romans crucify Jesus, but in Luke and John it is the Jews who crucify him.

Numbers 23:19 states that God is not a man. God was not born, and God certainly did not die.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were being written in 150 BCE and continued until 70 CE, a period of 220 years. During those years 872 scrolls were written in Hebrew and Aramaic by the peoples of Qumran. The supposed life of Jesus was between 2 BCE and 36 CE (38 years) and the Great Temple of the Jews in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. These dates are important for understanding the importance of what the Dead Sea Scrolls revealed. After scholars completed the translation work on the Dead Sea Scrolls a very important fact was obvious.

Nowhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls was the name of Jesus mentioned, and Christianity had no support in the translations. The Dead Sea Scrolls challenged the two most fundamental beliefs of Christianity: the uniqueness of Jesus Christ and Christianity as the embodiment of the message of Christ. The scrolls make no mention of Jesus or that the ‘Jesus message’ originated with him.

1. Learn what the Dead Sea Scrolls are. They aren't history books.
2. The historian Josephus wrote of Jesus and the early Church. They are history books.
3. The world changed forever because of one man.
4. Only one reason you start such a thread - you know he is the real deal but are having trouble just admiring it.

1. The Dead Sea Scrolls are just ancient religious texts from superstitious uneducated primitive men.
2. He didn't live through and witness Jesus then wrote about it. He wrote the rumors he heard. Hell, even my ignorant Greek Yaya believed those stories 2000 years later. BFD.
3. The world changed forever with one man. Hitler, Joe Smith, Budda, Ghandi. One day Christianity will go bye bye like the Greek Gods. Notice no Greeks still worship Zeus?
4. You are an atheist too. You just believe in one more God than I do. You don't believe a word of what the Muslims or Mormons say, right? That's all made up, right? Yet you can't imagine that so too is your religion?

Jesus still loves you!

He's dead.

And I still love you.

Let me ask you. Does he send me to hell if I don't believe in him? Then he does not love me and he can **** off.

 

[Alex.]

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44. He detested both Christians and Jews.

"Scholars generally consider Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[ Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

"44.3. The originator of the name, Christ, was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and though repressed, this destructive superstition erupted again, not only through Judea, which was the origin of this evil, but also through the city of Rome, to which all that is horrible and shameful floods together and is celebrated."

Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians
nonchristianaccounts
Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fact that there is a historical Jesus has been established several times a cross referenced and checked.

People who heard about him wrote about him. That's hearsay. Did you hear about this guy who does magic in Egypt? He can perform miracles and he is known to be the son of god. They stoned him to death the other day.

So if you write about him, that's hearsay. You didn't see him for yourself. And he may even be a real man. But the son of god? Performed miracles? Mother was a virgin? If I told you about such a person in Egypt today, would you accept it as a fact?

Many many many Greeks swallowed the stories back then and IN FACT many Americans swallow it today. That doesn't make it true.

The Bible is considered primary source. The historians I have mentioned are considered to be a secondary source.

A secondary source interprets and analyzes primary sources. These sources are one or more steps removed from the event. Secondary sources may have pictures, quotes or graphics of primary sources in them. Some types of seconday sources include:

• PUBLICATIONS: Textbooks, magazine articles, histories, criticisms, commentaries, encyclopedias

Primary vs Secondary Sources

Mother Goose is not a source that proves the Old Lady Who Lives in a Shoe is real.

And if I write about the little old lady after reading about her in Mother Goose, that isn't evidence.

Don't waste my time.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Never saw anyone spend all day worried about Mother Goose.
But you feel the need to spend your day denying Jesus because deep inside you know he's the real deal.

 

[Steven_R]

Mother Goose is not a source that proves the Old Lady Who Lives in a Shoe is real.

And if I write about the little old lady after reading about her in Mother Goose, that isn't evidence.

But she has so many kids she doesn't know what to do...

 

[Alex.]

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44. He detested both Christians and Jews.

"Scholars generally consider Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[ Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

"44.3. The originator of the name, Christ, was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and though repressed, this destructive superstition erupted again, not only through Judea, which was the origin of this evil, but also through the city of Rome, to which all that is horrible and shameful floods together and is celebrated."

Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians
nonchristianaccounts
Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fact that there is a historical Jesus has been established several times a cross referenced and checked.

I cannot begin to tell you how laughable your links are.
See post 128.

Well I would expect that from someone who cannot follow the OP.

 

[Indeependent]

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44. He detested both Christians and Jews.

"Scholars generally consider Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[ Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

"44.3. The originator of the name, Christ, was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and though repressed, this destructive superstition erupted again, not only through Judea, which was the origin of this evil, but also through the city of Rome, to which all that is horrible and shameful floods together and is celebrated."

Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians
nonchristianaccounts
Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fact that there is a historical Jesus has been established several times a cross referenced and checked.

People who heard about him wrote about him. That's hearsay. Did you hear about this guy who does magic in Egypt? He can perform miracles and he is known to be the son of god. They stoned him to death the other day.

So if you write about him, that's hearsay. You didn't see him for yourself. And he may even be a real man. But the son of god? Performed miracles? Mother was a virgin? If I told you about such a person in Egypt today, would you accept it as a fact?

Many many many Greeks swallowed the stories back then and IN FACT many Americans swallow it today. That doesn't make it true.

The Bible is considered primary source. The historians I have mentioned are considered to be a secondary source.

A secondary source interprets and analyzes primary sources. These sources are one or more steps removed from the event. Secondary sources may have pictures, quotes or graphics of primary sources in them. Some types of seconday sources include:

• PUBLICATIONS: Textbooks, magazine articles, histories, criticisms, commentaries, encyclopedias

Primary vs Secondary Sources

One or two steps...
Try 2,000 years.

I'll tell you what

The Roman historian and senator Tacitus referred to Christ, his execution by Pontius Pilate, and the existence of early Christians in Rome in one page of his final work, Annals (written ca. AD 116), book 15, chapter 44. He detested both Christians and Jews.

"Scholars generally consider Tacitus' reference to the execution of Jesus by Pontius Pilate to be both authentic, and of historical value as an independent Roman source.[ Eddy and Boyd state that it is now "firmly established" that Tacitus provides a non-Christian confirmation of the crucifixion of Jesus."

"44.3. The originator of the name, Christ, was executed as a criminal by the procurator Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius; and though repressed, this destructive superstition erupted again, not only through Judea, which was the origin of this evil, but also through the city of Rome, to which all that is horrible and shameful floods together and is celebrated."

Tacitus and Pliny the Younger on the Early Christians
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Tacitus on Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The fact that there is a historical Jesus has been established several times a cross referenced and checked.

People who heard about him wrote about him. That's hearsay. Did you hear about this guy who does magic in Egypt? He can perform miracles and he is known to be the son of god. They stoned him to death the other day.

So if you write about him, that's hearsay. You didn't see him for yourself. And he may even be a real man. But the son of god? Performed miracles? Mother was a virgin? If I told you about such a person in Egypt today, would you accept it as a fact?

Many many many Greeks swallowed the stories back then and IN FACT many Americans swallow it today. That doesn't make it true.

The Bible is considered primary source. The historians I have mentioned are considered to be a secondary source.

A secondary source interprets and analyzes primary sources. These sources are one or more steps removed from the event. Secondary sources may have pictures, quotes or graphics of primary sources in them. Some types of seconday sources include:

• PUBLICATIONS: Textbooks, magazine articles, histories, criticisms, commentaries, encyclopedias

Primary vs Secondary Sources

Mother Goose is not a source that proves the Old Lady Who Lives in a Shoe is real.

And if I write about the little old lady after reading about her in Mother Goose, that isn't evidence.

Don't waste my time.

You are posting LINKS regarding "newspaper articles" from people who never met Jesus and I'm wasting YOUR time?
I'd like to see ONE piece of papyrus I can get someone to translate.

 

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The Gospels are the sole source of information about a historical Jesus. Everything that we know about Jesus and Christianity depends on that source. Confucius 6th century BC Chinese sage and founder of Confucianism from the Analects “love thy neighbor as thyself. Do nothing to thy neighbor, which thou wouldst not have him do to thee hereafter”. These verses were not original to the gospels. Nobody knows when they were written or who wrote them. The Bible-based religions we now have (Catholic or Protestant) are nothing like the Hebrew religion of the church established at Jerusalem. The practices of this first Jewish church are not practiced by any major religion and they are almost unknown. In its place are doctrines of Christianity, which was begun by Constantine. In Matthew and Mark the Romans crucify Jesus, but in Luke and John it is the Jews who crucify him.

Numbers 23:19 states that God is not a man. God was not born, and God certainly did not die.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were being written in 150 BCE and continued until 70 CE, a period of 220 years. During those years 872 scrolls were written in Hebrew and Aramaic by the peoples of Qumran. The supposed life of Jesus was between 2 BCE and 36 CE (38 years) and the Great Temple of the Jews in Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans in 70 CE. These dates are important for understanding the importance of what the Dead Sea Scrolls revealed. After scholars completed the translation work on the Dead Sea Scrolls a very important fact was obvious.

Nowhere in the Dead Sea Scrolls was the name of Jesus mentioned, and Christianity had no support in the translations. The Dead Sea Scrolls challenged the two most fundamental beliefs of Christianity: the uniqueness of Jesus Christ and Christianity as the embodiment of the message of Christ. The scrolls make no mention of Jesus or that the ‘Jesus message’ originated with him.

1. Learn what the Dead Sea Scrolls are. They aren't history books.
2. The historian Josephus wrote of Jesus and the early Church. They are history books.
3. The world changed forever because of one man.
4. Only one reason you start such a thread - you know he is the real deal but are having trouble just admiring it.

1. The Dead Sea Scrolls are just ancient religious texts from superstitious uneducated primitive men.
2. He didn't live through and witness Jesus then wrote about it. He wrote the rumors he heard. Hell, even my ignorant Greek Yaya believed those stories 2000 years later. BFD.
3. The world changed forever with one man. Hitler, Joe Smith, Budda, Ghandi. One day Christianity will go bye bye like the Greek Gods. Notice no Greeks still worship Zeus?
4. You are an atheist too. You just believe in one more God than I do. You don't believe a word of what the Muslims or Mormons say, right? That's all made up, right? Yet you can't imagine that so too is your religion?

Jesus still loves you!

He's dead.

And I still love you.

Let me ask you. Does he send me to hell if I don't believe in him? Then he does not love me and he can **** off.

The all loving Jesus IS sending you to Hell if you don't believe in him.