No food stamps for any family of a striking worker

[Jarhead]

And...of course...no response to the above.

Several pages of responses...but still not nterested in addresssing this TM?

Why is that?

Its all meaningless crap and not what Unions do.

Now tell me how much you know about the start of unions in the US?

What do you mean it is not what the unions do? My comment has nothing to do with what the unions do. It has to do with how the employees react when they are part of a union.

It is not assumption. It is basic logic. In an environemnt where all employees are treated equally regardless of work ethic, the trend for all will be toward the one with the lowest level of work ethic...not the other way around.

You are fooling yourself if you think that someone wouldnt tend to use ALL of their sick days whether they are sick or not if they get no more recognition than the guy that uses all of them.

As for the history of unions....Labor is my industry. I am a business planner/Recruiter. I have been for the better part of 25 years in a market that is one of the leading markets in the country...NYC. I deal with union shops and non union shops.

The reason unions were needed came and passed. Laws of the land prohibit sweat shops, and child labor. Osha requirements maintain the healthy safe work environments. HR laws govern sexual harrassment and discirmination.

Now unions do nothing more than fight for as much of the pie as their strong arm tactics will get their members.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I see we have in this thread the usual "conservatives" who are for state's rights except when they aren't.

What are you referring to, exactly?

 

[boedicca]

Now go read about what it was like before we had unions

You mean before we had labor laws which make the working conditions function of unions completely obsolete so that now all they do is try to GET MORE?

 

[Truthmatters]

Obsolete, American rights obsolete?

wow

 

[WillowTree]

Now go read about what it was like before we had unions

You mean before we had labor laws which make the working conditions function of unions completely obsolete so that now all they do is try to GET MORE?

Ask her why GM moved to Mexico?? Taxpayer bailout.. Taxpayer money,, GM moved to MEXICO and Detroit looks like one giant slum.. Ask her why.. she will she answer??? but don't hold your breath.

 

[boedicca]

If TMN could read English, she would realize that that is not what I said.

We have labor laws that sufficiently cover work hours and working conditions. The only thing left for unions to do is to ask for More and More (cf, the Gompers' quote in my signature).

 

[WillowTree]

Obsolete, American rights obsolete?

wow

GM moved to Mexico.... helllo!

 

[dilloduck]

Obsolete, American rights obsolete?

wow

You can intentionally misinterpret anything can't ya .

 

[Truthmatters]

MONEY willow MONEY.

They dont care about America they care about money.

I care about America more than I care about them making more money

 

[Truthmatters]

If TMN could read English, she would realize that that is not what I said.

We have labor laws that sufficiently cover work hours and working conditions. The only thing left for unions to do is to ask for More and More (cf, the Gompers' quote in my signature).

Unions deal with more than wages and you know it.
And the corps only care about profits.

Why do you think the worker should not care about their own profits?

Why is one good and the other is not?

 

[boedicca]

MONEY willow MONEY.

They dont care about America they care about money.

I care about America more than I care about them making more money

Then you shouldn't mind that they don't get food stamp benefits which are just another form of currency.

 

[Jarhead]

Obsolete, American rights obsolete?

wow

OK. So stop talking in generalizations and tell me...

Name ONE "American Right" that is not protected by laws ands require unions to ensure they are protected.

Name just ONE.

I dare you.

 

[boedicca]

If TMN could read English, she would realize that that is not what I said.

We have labor laws that sufficiently cover work hours and working conditions. The only thing left for unions to do is to ask for More and More (cf, the Gompers' quote in my signature).

Unions deal with more than wages and you know it.
And the corps only care about profits.

Why do you think the worker should not care about their own profits?

Why is one good and the other is not?

Not any more. They mostly deal with pay and benefits, and LIFO clauses which protect lousy workers.

Why do PUBLIC EMPLOYEES who have Civil Service Protections need unions?

Answer: It's the Democrats and the Unions themselves who need the employees to fund their excessive pay and benefits and provide the cash for campaign donations to the Dems.

 

[Jarhead]

If TMN could read English, she would realize that that is not what I said.

We have labor laws that sufficiently cover work hours and working conditions. The only thing left for unions to do is to ask for More and More (cf, the Gompers' quote in my signature).

Unions deal with more than wages and you know it.
And the corps only care about profits.

Why do you think the worker should not care about their own profits?

Why is one good and the other is not?

OK....you made a statement...now back it up.

Name one thing unions do that are not compensation related.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I don't know, maybe because for every $1.00 that is spent, even more is pumped into the economy.!

Really? Why don't you explain to us how that works.

For every dollar spent on that program $1.73 is generated throughout the economy,

The bolded part is Diamond.
Food stamps offer best stimulus - study - Jan. 29, 2008

That's one man's opinion. I can't comment on the studies he refers to because I haven't seen them. What isn't mentioned in the article is how much does this offset the loss of buying power of those who paid for these food stamps. Also, since this money is all being borrowed anyway and has to be paid back with interest, every dollar of food stamps sent out to the welfare state costs the government far more than that dollar.

I don't doubt that there is a short term effect in increasing the amount of food stamps to the public, but in the long term it will result in economic decline. You can't sustain a growing dependency class because you can only milk the productive so much until the whole house of cards collapse.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

So let people strike to force their employer to pay them enough to get off welfare.

An employer isn't obligated to pay you enough to get off of welfare or to achieve any other standard of living. When you apply for a job you can tell them what you want. You may get it, you may not. They will pay you according to what the market says you should be paid for your skills and background. If you don't think that's enough, don't take the job. If you take the job and down the road feel you are no longer being appropriately compensated, then find another one.

You don't get to decide what an employer pays you. You do not know what they are or are not capable of paying. You are not entitled to be in their employ. You have no right to a job.

 

[Jarhead]

If TMN could read English, she would realize that that is not what I said.

We have labor laws that sufficiently cover work hours and working conditions. The only thing left for unions to do is to ask for More and More (cf, the Gompers' quote in my signature).

Unions deal with more than wages and you know it.
And the corps only care about profits.
Why do you think the worker should not care about their own profits?

Why is one good and the other is not?

Of course they care about profits.

And do you know how you make a profit?

By securing the best avaiable talent at the lowest wage possible.

You know what dictates the wage?

The supply of the talent.

You know how you can get a better wage?

Develop a differential so you are not grouped in a massive supply of equal talent.

You know how you can do that?

Have a GREAT work ethic.

You know when that doesnt come into play?

When you are part of a union where those with bad work ethic and do just enough to get by are treated equal to those with a great work ethic.

Enough said.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

So, in turn you attack middle class workers to the point where they have to go on food stamps?

Who is attacking middle class workers and again, what relevance does that question have to the premise of this thread?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

MONEY willow MONEY.

They dont care about America they care about money.

I care about America more than I care about them making more money

Then you shouldn't mind that they don't get food stamp benefits which are just another form of currency.

I ll bet she doesn't know that corporations pay dividends that retired folks depend on.

 

[syrenn]

ThinkProgress » Buried Provision In House GOP Bill Would Cut Off Food Stamps To Entire Families If One Member Strikes


Want to talk about class warfare?

The republicans in congress have written into a bill a provision that anyone related to a striking worker will have their food stamps taken away.

So a single Mom can have her food stamps taken away for trying to strike for enough pay to get off of food stamps.


The right is full on against ANY workers rights.

Why do they hate the vast majority of Americans?

That works for me.