NO EXIT? How will the U S be able to extricate itself from Trump's "little excursion"?

[Lumpy 1]

I am not surprised that you are unable to identify a clear objective, an endgame, or a timetable.

Sheesh .. if you don't know by now, it's pretty well a lost cause..

 

[berg80]

Trump will declare victory and revert to the status quo ante, which is to say, no more attacks except in retaliation for things that Iran or its proxies do. How Bibi will proceed is questionable. He is absolutely committed to regime change.

Bank on it.

That doesn't solve the problem of Iran seeking revenge by keeping the strait closed to maritime traffic no matter what the rapist decides to do.

 

[berg80]

I expect that Trump's regime-change "little excursion" will be far lengthier and far more costly than some have been led to believe.

trump, having all the best words, meant incursion, not excursion.

 

[kyzr]

What has Trump articulated regarding his "endgame" and its schedule for his "little excursion" into the Middle East?

Clearly explained, unlike stupid Joe Biden's or Kamala's "word salads".

https://gulfnews.com/world/mena/trumps-4-objectives-in-iran-explained-1.500461406

Objective #1: Destroying Iran's missile capabilities​

Objective #2: Knocking off Iran's navy​

Objective #3: Ensuring Iran can never obtain a nuclear weapon​

Objective #4: Ensuring the Iranian regime cannot arm, fund, and direct terrorist armies outside their borders​

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

I'm a democrat genius, vote democrat across the board especially judicial...

 

[schmidlap]

A hardcore residue of MAGAs appears to be lashing out at anyone who was never, or is no longer, a submissive Trump toady as being unpatriotic.

Patriotic Americans have legitimate policy differences, and some hold to Trumps injunction against regime change caprices, and some have flipped.

 

[berg80]

You'll never guess what the regime has come up with to get oil prices to stop going higher. Allow for the sale of Russian oil.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

The thing probably sprang to life and sprayed the wall with ink when you walked passed it.

 

[schmidlap]

Clearly explained, unlike stupid Joe Biden's or Kamala's "word salads".

https://gulfnews.com/world/mena/trumps-4-objectives-in-iran-explained-1.500461406

Objective #1: Destroying Iran's missile capabilities​

Objective #2: Knocking off Iran's navy​

Objective #3: Ensuring Iran can never obtain a nuclear weapon​

Objective #4: Ensuring the Iranian regime cannot arm, fund, and direct terrorist armies outside their borders​

"Unconditional surrender."

Timetable?

 

[Rawley]

If Iran us such a threat, where are the Gulf states? Why is Israel bombing Lebanon. We were scammed.

You've never heard of Hezbollah? Really?

 

[EMH]

Some take a more cerebral, analytical approach:

[T]he biggest questions have gone unanswered by Trump. In particular, how will this war end? And what will be the ultimate strategic implications of the Iran gamble? The history of American military intervention offers a consistent lesson: wars begun without clear political objectives rarely end well. When political goals are undefined or contested, the war lacks a logical stopping point. Tactical successes raise questions of what comes next, while tactical setbacks become justification for doing more. The mission expands, the timeline stretches, and the original rationale fades into the background as the war gains its own momentum. The nineteenth-century Prussian military theorist Carl von Clausewitz famously argued that war is politics by other means. But the corollary is equally important: without a clear political purpose, war becomes an end in itself.​

You started a sane, rational, intellectual topic, which was immediately hijacked by morons from "both sides." There is tremendous conservative/Republican/Independent concern as to the answers to the questions. It is perfectly clear that Ratcliffe and Hegseth have inflated Trump's ego with the drug boat hits and Maduro, all of which was defensible as US national interest. When he suggested invading and annexing Greenland, many of us heard "alarm bells" WTF... HEY, we're the US, not ancient Rome. Trump arrogantly marched us in against the advice of both Vance and Rubio, and Rubio is pretty darn hard core Zionist Fascists (may of us suspect he is Jewish).


One of the great Republican heroes of the Gingrich years was Paul Craig Roberts, who later got "canceled" for noticing 911 was a complete fraud as a patriotic American Jew.

He tries to answer your questions...

My Prediction For the War with Iran – Paul Craig Roberts

 

[Zincwarrior]

How long are you predicting/hoping the straits will remain closed?

Evidently as long as they want to.

 

[Lockback]

With its confused, contradictory pretexts and inevitable regional expansion, and despite its obscene cost, it has the prospect of yet another "forever war."

​

...That challenge is compounded by the prospect that tens of thousands of U.S. forces will need to remain in the Middle East for months or years after major combat operations end, tied down by postwar containment missions, reassurance operations for anxious Gulf partners, and requirements to engage in periodic re-strikes when Iran inevitably attempts to rebuild its military. That is exactly what happened in the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War, which established a permanent U.S. basing presence in the Middle East to contain Saddam Hussein that persists to this day. Today, this is the quicksand that proponents of the war claim to be escaping by ending the Iranian threat once and for all. And yet Washington may once again be wading straight into it.​

​

As George H.W. Bush might put it, "Deep DooDoo Redux!"

You don't realize it yet but soon a mullah will be sleeping in your bed, thanks to Trump.
Damn him anyway!!!

 

[Zincwarrior]

You've never heard of Hezbollah? Really?

They are not our problem. We are not Israel.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Except what if Iran keeps the Straits closed?

How?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If Iran us such a threat, where are the Gulf states? Why is Israel bombing Lebanon. We were scammed.

You really are stupid, aren't you?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Evidently as long as they want to.

With what? Hopes and dreams?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Evidently as long as they want to.

Uh . . . no.

No, that is not an answer, and no, they will not close it for as long as they want to.

This is the last gasp of a soon-to-be defunct regime.

Hope you're not too disappointed when it re-opens.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Uh . . . no.

No, that is not an answer, and no, they will not close it for as long as they want to.

This is the last gasp of a soon-to-be defunct regime.

Hope you're not too disappointed when it re-opens.

Trump's fault. What kind of keystone Kop bullshit is going on? Saudi Arabia and Israel will fight airan to the last drop of American blood.

 

[kyzr]

"Unconditional surrender."
Timetable?

No timetable. The radical Jihadists probably won't surrender.
I'd give them an ultimatum, something like: "for every ship you attack in the Straight, we will destroy a powerplant"
If they don't stop they will be a dead country with no power and no water.

If they want to survive then we'd need an acceptable regime change.