NO EXIT? How will the U S be able to extricate itself from Trump's "little excursion"?

[luiza]

Trumpfy openly criticised by a senior UK politician-------
" Trump is appalling and out of control"

Now self evidently true

But good news is that the IGRC bombed Citi Bank and US companies in Erbil --- thanks to that appalling Jewish maniac of a so called US President .

 

[eagle1462010]

Trumpfy openly criticised by a senior UK politician-------
" Trump is appalling and out of control"

Now self evidently true

But good news is that the IGRC bombed Citi Bank and US companies in Erbil --- thanks to that appalling Jewish maniac of a so called US President .

And Many in the UK support and thank Trump for dealing with Iran. So that 1 politician doesnt mean anything

 

[schmidlap]

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/——/. NO dumbass. It’s SOP and it is’s gone on for centuries. Feeding false and contradictory info to confuse the enemy. But, you won’t accept it because Orange Man Bad.

So, you are speculating, and have nothing to document your imaginings.

As Trump's "brief excursion" drags on, it's as if Congressional Republicans are among his targets:

The massive price tag of the war has challenged Trump’s vow to shrink deficits, avoid foreign entanglements, and dedicate taxpayer dollars to domestic problems. ​

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And on Capitol Hill, Trump is newly demanding that Congress pass tougher voting laws before he’ll sign anything else — an extraordinary challenge to his own party’s leaders that threatens to bring the GOP’s legislative plans to a screeching halt heading into the midterms.​

Meanwhile, his tariffmania that has Americans footing 90% of its price tag persists:

Trump’s latest tariffs face a fresh set of legal hurdles​

The blowhard's failures cannot be eluded in November:

Trump has downplayed the rising costs at the pump, saying “if they rise, they rise” and arguing price spikes are “a very small price to pay” for safety.​

Things will get worse before they get better, according to De Haan, who wrote in his newsletter Saturday he expects prices to soon reach a “minimum” average of $3.80 per gallon. Trump, who repeatedly said on the campaign trail in 2024 that gas would be below $2 a gallon if he were to win the presidency, said March 6 prices will drop “very rapidly” when the conflict is over, but seasonal factors make that promise difficult to achieve.​

 

[Cellblock2429]

So, you are speculating, and have nothing to document your imaginings.

As Trump's "brief excursion" drags on, it's as if Congressional Republicans are among his targets:

The massive price tag of the war has challenged Trump’s vow to shrink deficits, avoid foreign entanglements, and dedicate taxpayer dollars to domestic problems. ​

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And on Capitol Hill, Trump is newly demanding that Congress pass tougher voting laws before he’ll sign anything else — an extraordinary challenge to his own party’s leaders that threatens to bring the GOP’s legislative plans to a screeching halt heading into the midterms.​

Meanwhile, his tariffmania that has Americans footing 90% of its price tag persists:

Trump’s latest tariffs face a fresh set of legal hurdles​

The blowhard's failures cannot be eluded in November:

Trump has downplayed the rising costs at the pump, saying “if they rise, they rise” and arguing price spikes are “a very small price to pay” for safety.​

Things will get worse before they get better, according to De Haan, who wrote in his newsletter Saturday he expects prices to soon reach a “minimum” average of $3.80 per gallon. Trump, who repeatedly said on the campaign trail in 2024 that gas would be below $2 a gallon if he were to win the presidency, said March 6 prices will drop “very rapidly” when the conflict is over, but seasonal factors make that promise difficult to achieve.​

/-----/ "So, you are speculating, and have nothing to document your imaginings."
Yes, it's speculation based on history. I could post examples of deception by the Allies against Germany and Japan in WWII but all you'd do is ignore them or mark them as fake news.

And all you have is your opinion too. I wish you had the same outrage over the war cost as we had over the fraud, waste, and abuse in Minnesota and California, which already cost us 10 times as much.

 

[Zincwarrior]

That’s not what I said. There being a carrier battle group in the region with a MEU on it is the norm though. A MEU isn’t designed to take over or invade a country. Certainly not one the size of Iran.

Kharg Island.

 

[schmidlap]

/-----/ "So, you are speculating, and have nothing to document your imaginings."
Yes, it's speculation based on history. I could post examples of deception by the Allies against Germany and Japan in WWII but all you'd do is ignore them or mark them as fake news.

And all you have is your opinion too. I wish you had the same outrage over the war cost as we had over the fraud, waste, and abuse in Minnesota and California, which already cost us 10 times as much.

Attempted diversion noted.

Your hyper-partisan association of blatant criminality with Trump's "little excursion" is noted, although you fail to document your "ten times as much" calculus, as well as a defense of Medicaid corruption that approximates that for the Iran business.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

Kharg Island.

From Documented Past History,..... Once the Marines have gained a "Foothold", .... Who has normally followed them?

 

[Zincwarrior]

From Documented Past History,..... Once the Marines have gained a "Foothold", .... Who has normally followed them?

POGs!!! *

*Grandpa never left Tarawa.

 

[TruthSeeker112125]

POGs!!! *

*Grandpa never left Tarawa.

At this moment, I can't think of what "POGS" means.

My point was, that after the Marines/Special Forces secure a "Foot Hold", that the Conventional Army forces follow.

 

[Woodznutz]

Trump will declare victory and revert to the status quo ante, which is to say, no more attacks except in retaliation for things that Iran or its proxies do. How Bibi will proceed is questionable. He is absolutely committed to regime change.

Bank on it.

That's what Nixon did, declared victory in Vietnam, then just... left.

 

[Zincwarrior]

At this moment, I can't think of what "POGS" means.

My point was, that after the Marines/Special Forces secure a "Foot Hold", that the Conventional Army forces follow.

Yep, thats the entire idea.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yep, thats the entire idea.

I think we had all hoped that experienced military people would push back on Trump's worst impulses.

Instead we found out our military is infected, top to bottom, with Christian White nationalism. And the worst impulses are actually their ideas.

 

[Woodznutz]

Some take a more cerebral, analytical approach:

[T]he biggest questions have gone unanswered by Trump. In particular, how will this war end? And what will be the ultimate strategic implications of the Iran gamble? The history of American military intervention offers a consistent lesson: wars begun without clear political objectives rarely end well. When political goals are undefined or contested, the war lacks a logical stopping point. Tactical successes raise questions of what comes next, while tactical setbacks become justification for doing more. The mission expands, the timeline stretches, and the original rationale fades into the background as the war gains its own momentum. The nineteenth-century Prussian military theorist Carl von Clausewitz famously argued that war is politics by other means. But the corollary is equally important: without a clear political purpose, war becomes an end in itself.​

It's hard to leave a poker game whether you're winning or losing. That's Trump's dilemma. If he ends the war now Iran is in shambles and is a pariah in the region. Not a bad result of the war.

 

[Captain Caveman]

With its confused, contradictory pretexts and inevitable regional expansion, and despite its obscene cost, it has the prospect of yet another "forever war."

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...That challenge is compounded by the prospect that tens of thousands of U.S. forces will need to remain in the Middle East for months or years after major combat operations end, tied down by postwar containment missions, reassurance operations for anxious Gulf partners, and requirements to engage in periodic re-strikes when Iran inevitably attempts to rebuild its military. That is exactly what happened in the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War, which established a permanent U.S. basing presence in the Middle East to contain Saddam Hussein that persists to this day. Today, this is the quicksand that proponents of the war claim to be escaping by ending the Iranian threat once and for all. And yet Washington may once again be wading straight into it.​

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As George H.W. Bush might put it, "Deep DooDoo Redux!"

Hopefully not the way dementia Biden did it with Afghanistan.

 

[Mac-7]

With its confused, contradictory pretexts and inevitable regional expansion, and despite its obscene cost, it has the prospect of yet another "forever war."

​

...That challenge is compounded by the prospect that tens of thousands of U.S. forces will need to remain in the Middle East for months or years after major combat operations end, tied down by postwar containment missions, reassurance operations for anxious Gulf partners, and requirements to engage in periodic re-strikes when Iran inevitably attempts to rebuild its military. That is exactly what happened in the aftermath of the 1991 Gulf War, which established a permanent U.S. basing presence in the Middle East to contain Saddam Hussein that persists to this day. Today, this is the quicksand that proponents of the war claim to be escaping by ending the Iranian threat once and for all. And yet Washington may once again be wading straight into it.​

​

As George H.W. Bush might put it, "Deep DooDoo Redux!"

I posted this somewhere else but it still works

The war will not be won till the Shah is in Tehran as part of a new democratic government

And that wont happen unless the people take over the streets

The problem as I see it is that IRAN HAS NO 2nd AMENDMENT and the people have no guns

The Revolutionary Guard do have guns and are willing to use them

This is a quandary with no simple answer

 

[Mac-7]

Democracy and Islam aren't very compatible.

It appears that up to 40% of the iranian people are wacko jihadis

They will not go away or step aside quietly

 

[Couchpotato]

Kharg Island.

There are zero Marines in Kharg Island. Could a MEU secure Kharg Island? Probably depending on what’s there. But their presence in the gulf and with a CBG isn’t abnormal. It would be abnormal for there not to be a MEU in the region assigned to a CBG. Which is the point.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There are zero Marines in Kharg Island.

Well no shit. He is saying that is where they are going.

 

[Couchpotato]

Well no shit. He is saying that is where they are going.

Based on? I mean other than wish casting.

 

[Mac-7]

There are zero Marines in Kharg Island. Could a MEU secure Kharg Island? Probably depending on what’s there. But their presence in the gulf and with a CBG isn’t abnormal. It would be abnormal for there not to be a MEU in the region assigned to a CBG. Which is the point.

Seize Kharg Island?

That might work

The fighting would be intense but short

Afterwards the mullahs would have no money