No due process for illegals???

[Rawley]

Obama didn’t send people to be indefinitely incarcerated in a foreign gulag.

You vouching that none of the 5.3 million illegals that Obama deported were not arrested when they were repatriated? Really? A rather bold assertion.

 

[Foxfyre]

None of your links substantiate your claim with verifiable facts.

So please post verifiable evidence from reliable sources to substantiate your claims or admit you’re trolling.

Sorry. I'm tired of playing your silly and dishonest game. Do have a pleasant evening.

 

[Foxfyre]

You vouching that none of the 5.3 million illegals that Obama deported were not arrested when they were repatriated? Really? A rather bold assertion.

Mariner doesn't seem to care whether something is verifiable or correct or even reasonable. If it's woke and Democrat talking point, he/she has been posting it and refuses to back it up with anything.

 

[Rawley]

Mariner doesn't seem to care whether something is verifiable or correct or even reasonable. If it's woke and Democrat talking point, he/she has been posting it and refuses to back it up with anything.

Enchanted with his new word "gulag" LOL

 

[Foxfyre]

Enchanted with his new word "gulag" LOL

Well that's in the assigned talking points for this week.

 

[Marener]

Sorry. I'm tired of playing your silly and dishonest game. Do have a pleasant evening.

It was very dishonest of you to claim your links substantiated your claims with verifiable facts.

I’ll leave you with this.

U.S. sent 238 migrants to Salvadoran mega-prison; documents indicate most have no apparent criminal records

The U.S. sent 238 Venezuelan migrants to a Salvadoran mega-prison. The Trump administration says they're all gang members, but 60 Minutes could find no criminal records for 75% of them.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The term "due process" as written in the 5th amendment and repeated in the 14th amendment applies to US citizens. And as I have posted in another thread on the subject, due process has even been waived FOR US CITIZENS as in the case for Japanese Americans in WWII who were clearly deprived of Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. Illegal aliens may or may not be deported on a case by case basis if they can't produce official proof of citizenship.

I was thinking and hoping you were right, and I checked with Grok, which is usually very reliable on most matters and here is their reply.

No, the term "due process" in the 5th and 14th Amendments does not apply only to U.S. citizens. The 5th Amendment states that "no person" shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process, and the 14th Amendment similarly guarantees due process to "any person." The Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "person" to include non-citizens, such as legal and undocumented immigrants, within U.S. jurisdiction. For example, in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001), the Court affirmed that due process protections extend to aliens, including those facing deportation. However, the scope of protections may vary depending on context, such as immigration proceedings versus criminal law.

I asked further questions, and it appears we are screwed if these illegals demand a hearing. This is the loophole that Mayorkas knew about and used, and I know dammed well he coached them on what to say which is that they feared torture in their country (which is a bogus reason). That is grounds for asylum, and no one can tell me how Mexico tortures citizens. Mayorkass let them all get in instead of asking for expedited asylum when they are caught near the border, thereby ignoring what Obama and Clinton did to deport millions.

 

[Orangecat]

The dupe-raza useful idiots are incapable of common sense or reason.

 

[MarathonMike]

I was thinking and hoping you were right, and I checked with Grok, which is usually very reliable on most matters and here is their reply.

No, the term "due process" in the 5th and 14th Amendments does not apply only to U.S. citizens. The 5th Amendment states that "no person" shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process, and the 14th Amendment similarly guarantees due process to "any person." The Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "person" to include non-citizens, such as legal and undocumented immigrants, within U.S. jurisdiction. For example, in Zadvydas v. Davis (2001), the Court affirmed that due process protections extend to aliens, including those facing deportation. However, the scope of protections may vary depending on context, such as immigration proceedings versus criminal law.

I asked further questions, and it appears we are screwed if these illegals demand a hearing. This is the loophole that Mayorkas knew about and used, and I know dammed well he coached them on what to say which is that they feared torture in their country (which is a bogus reason). That is grounds for asylum, and no one can tell me how Mexico tortures citizens. Mayorkass let them all get in instead of asking for expedited asylum when they are caught near the border, thereby ignoring what Obama and Clinton did to deport millions.

The abuse of our Asylum law and the abuse of the term Due Process BOTH should be CLEARLY addressed by our Supreme Court. The current "interpretations" by some obscure SC cases doesn't cut it. You literally could not be an illegal immigrant before the establishment of the Dept of Immigration in 1891. The Due Process clause was written DECADES before and therefore COULD NOT apply to illegal immigrants. And all the immigrants who claimed Asylum at our border didn't even know what it meant. As you say, they were coached by the Cartels who were coached by Myorkas and the Democrats.

 

[BackAgain]

You vouching that none of the 5.3 million illegals that Obama deported were not arrested when they were repatriated? Really? A rather bold assertion.

And one he will never bother to even try to support.

 

[Shamrock17]

Nothing hs been conflated. Trump defense syndrome is a real problem.

Said by someone with TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

And how did you determine they were in a gang?

Tattoos. And, many times just ask. They will tell you so they aren't incarcerated with a rival gang.

 

[jc456]

When?

He referenced them. So how is your take he lied?

 

[jc456]

And how did you determine they were in a gang?

The fact his wife hid his knuckles, and his statement to the judge about….. RIVAL gangs! Why are you demofks unable to track stories?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Said by someone with TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Some one referred to that poster as IQ2

 

[Marener]

He referenced them. So how is your take he lied?

There’s been no links to any Fox News reports.

 

[Delldude]

I’ll leave you with this.

You need to come up with 236 more horror stories.

 

[jc456]

There’s been no links to any Fox News reports.

Hahaha, since when is network news on a link?

 

[Marener]

You need to come up with 236 more horror stories.

You need to come up with anything.

 

[Lesh]

He should for beating his wife and human trafficking, and driving on an expired license and abusing our border and coming here illegally. He has a record all right, he just hasn't raped or killed anyone yet.

He also hasn’t been arrested for any of the things you’re claiming he did.

Odd huh?