No due process for illegals???

[Marener]

Everyone in a gang is a criminal. It's not a social club. Gangs are an enterprise. Criminal acts are their business.

And how did you determine they were in a gang?

 

[dblack]

Who needs due process?

If you aren't guilty, you have nothing to fear.

 

[Delldude]

Yep. Still a liar.

That's because you have a very bad habit of lying to try and win arguments

 

[Marener]

Still no source from you, despite your claim it would be easy to do so.

The only logical explanation is that you’re a liar.

 

[kyzr]

No convictions. No criminal record. No rap sheet.
Strike one.
What about the hundreds of Venezuelans that he sent to the foreign gulag?

From the link:

"Contrary to the assertions of Garcia’s lawyers (and many in the corporate press) that there’s no evidence he’s a member of MS-13 and that the cops just made it all up, the police affidavit from Garcia’s arrest in March 2019 shows that he was arrested with multiple other confirmed MS-13 gang members, was wearing clothing associated with the gang, and was identified by a confidential police informant as an MS-13 gang member with a rank and a moniker."

1. He is MS-13
2. He is here illegally and has an existing deportation order, he had his "due process"

 

[Marener]

From the link:

"Contrary to the assertions of Garcia’s lawyers (and many in the corporate press) that there’s no evidence he’s a member of MS-13 and that the cops just made it all up, the police affidavit from Garcia’s arrest in March 2019 shows that he was arrested with multiple other confirmed MS-13 gang members, was wearing clothing associated with the gang, and was identified by a confidential police informant as an MS-13 gang member with a rank and a moniker."

1. He is MS-13
2. He is here illegally and has an existing deportation order, he had his "due process"

Double hearsay isn’t evidence.

Still no convictions which means he has no rap sheet and is innocent.

 

[kyzr]

Double hearsay isn’t evidence.
Still no convictions which means he has no rap sheet and is innocent.

A reliable witness said he is MS-13, he has a deportation order, he was sent where MS-13 members from El Salvadore belong.
The deportation order hearing was his "due process".

 

[Marener]

A reliable witness said he is MS-13, he has a deportation order, he was sent where MS-13 members from El Salvadore belong.

The informant never testified. The detective never testified.

Moreover, the detective was indicted and convicted for corruption, so even if he did testify, his credibility is completely shot.

That’s double hearsay, totally inadmissible.

 

[scruffy]

You're NUTS.

Most leftards are.

 

[scruffy]

You’re obviously full of shit.

 

[BackAgain]

Which may be one of the most stupid laws on our books yet. People who break the law the longest get the most opportunity to keep breaking it. What kind of sense does that make?

I don’t mind it that much. But I’m curious as to the rationale behind making the limit of 2 years. I mean, why not five years or ten?

 

[Foxfyre]

So are you going to provide a verifiable and non-partisan that all the people sent to the gulag are vicious and violent criminals?

I have already posted several links. You have posted none. So post your evidence from credible source or sources that they are not.

Or again just admit you're trolling and don't have a clue.

 

[Marener]

I have already posted several links. You have posted none. So post your evidence from credible source or sources that they are not.

Or again just admit you're trolling and don't have a clue.

None of your links substantiate your claim with verifiable facts.

So please post verifiable evidence from reliable sources to substantiate your claims or admit you’re trolling.

 

[kyzr]

The informant never testified. The detective never testified.
Moreover, the detective was indicted and convicted for corruption, so even if he did testify, his credibility is completely shot.
That’s double hearsay, totally inadmissible.

You type words with no proof.
The informant told someone, its in the record.
Illegals don't get trials, they get hearings, Garcia gets deported, end of story.

 

[Delldude]

you’re a liar.

Or are you still a liar?

The only logical explanation is that you’re a liar.

Ok, prove my claims are lies then...

 

[Marener]

You type words with no proof.
The informant told someone, its in the record.
Illegals don't get trials, they get hearings, Garcia gets deported, end of story.

It’s double hearsay. It may be in a police record, but it’s meaningless according to rules of evidence.

Abrego Garcia and MS-13: What Do We Know?

The allegation seems to stem from double hearsay in a document authored by a later suspended police detective.

www.lawfaremedia.org

Since when is double hearsay evidence?

 

[Marener]

Ok, prove my claims are lies then...

Why not just substantiate it?

 

[BackAgain]

The bill of rights protect Americans. When we speak about “due process” relative to “life, liberty and property” we are actually talking about the possible consequences of a criminal conviction.

Being denied the “right” [sic] to enter or remain in our land is not consequence of a criminal trial referenced in any Constitutional guarantee of due process.

A criminal conviction, here, might get you deported if you are an alien, but it isn’t life, it isn’t a liberty right (we have laws about whose allowed to be here), after all, nor is it a “property” right.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don’t mind it that much. But I’m curious as to the rationale behind making the limit of 2 years. I mean, why not five years or ten?

There is one law on the books that if the CBP catches an illegal less than 100 miles from the border or fewer than 14 days, that illegal can be deported immediately. But if he/she makes it further into the country then 'due process' (whatever that is) has to apply. Of course if they made it across the border, then the Biden Administration did deport a lot. More than Trump did the Democrat controlled media is happy to say.

But once the border was closed, fewer got to the border under Trump than Biden deported. And Biden deported only a very small fraction of those he bussed, trucked, flew all over the country to dump them on citizens to deal with.

U.S. Citizens still had to have real I.D. to board a commercial airline. But Biden Adm. said the migrant's voucher given him/her than he/she had been arrested at the border--no effort to determine who/what the person actually was--was sufficient I.D. to fly on commercial airliners.

That is how insane it has become.

 

[kyzr]

It’s double hearsay. It may be in a police record, but it’s meaningless according to rules of evidence.
Since when is double hearsay evidence?

The judge decides what to allow in or out.
From your link:
He argued, as the government has since admitted, that his removal was illegal because an immigration judge had granted him “withholding of removal” to El Salvador due to his “well-founded fear of future persecution” there from a violent gang known as Barrio 18. His attorneys allege that CECOT houses members of that gang.

Garcia was MS-13 and was being protected from a rival gang. We don't care what gangs do to each other in El Salvadore, that judge was an idiot. Garcia wasn't sent to El Salvadore per se, he was sent to a super-max prison there. He's safe there, where MS-13 gang members belong.