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South Carolina was not obligated to withhold fire upon Sumter once Anderson made the act of War in moving to Sumter.
Major Robert Anderson’s move from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter on December 26, 1860, was not an act of war. After South Carolina seceded in December 1860, Anderson felt his garrison at the indefensible Fort Moultrie was in danger of a land attack, so he moved his men to the more secure, unfinished island fortress, Fort Sumter.
 
Yes, there was deception. That is why a civilian vessel was sent instead of a Navy vessel. That is why it was done in secret. That is why the troops were secretly picked up and told to stay below deck. All the while making the South Carolina Commissioners think that they were waiting for further word. (The Demon Of Unrest. Erik Larson, Crown Publishing Group, 2024, p. 180-181)
Again... There was no deception. South Carolina had seceded from the Union. The US was not obligated to tell South Carolina anything.

Are you superior to blacks?
 
Because the flotilla was sent, with warships, with the purpose of reinforcing Sumter with men and arms is why South Carolina attacked. Anderson's move to Sumter was an act of War. The flotilla sent by Lincoln was an act of War.

Is that a website?

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Incorrect.

President Abraham Lincoln initiated a mission to send supplies (provisions) to Fort Sumter in April 1861, deliberately framing it as a "mission of humanity" rather than a direct, aggressive military reinforcement, although warships accompanied the expedition.

Key Details of the Mission:
  • The Approach: Lincoln informed South Carolina Governor Francis Pickens that he would attempt to supply Fort Sumter with provisions only.
  • The Condition: He stated that if this attempt was not resisted, no further efforts to send in additional men, arms, or ammunition would be made at that time.
 
Commander-in-Chief of Confederate forces is political. You cannot be interested in military history and discount Jefferson Davis as President of the Confederate States and the ordeals he suffered at the hands of Yankee persecutors during the Reconstruction.
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He should have been hung!
 
the Government did not support abolitionists violent acts.

Then why didn't the Government go after Jim Lane in Kansas when he attacked pro-slavers in the State of Missouri?

Why did Salmon Chase, Governor of Ohio, future member of Lincoln cabinet, and future Supreme Court justice, support John Brown while Brown was raising money in the North, even though Brown was already wanted for murder of 5 pro-slavery men and boys?

Why was Brown received by the 'Joint Committee on Federal Relations of the Massachusetts Legislature' to speak, though he was wanted for murder of 5 pro-slavery men and boys?

The murderer Brown was allowed to roam free in the North to raise money for his Harpers Ferry attack on the South.

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Major Robert Anderson’s move from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter on December 26, 1860, was not an act of war. After South Carolina seceded in December 1860, Anderson felt his garrison at the indefensible Fort Moultrie was in danger of a land attack, so he moved his men to the more secure, unfinished island fortress, Fort Sumter.

It doesn't matter how Anderson felt. The move was the act of War. I showed you already that Buchannan's Secretary of War admitted it.

Quantrill
 
Again... There was no deception. South Carolina had seceded from the Union. The US was not obligated to tell South Carolina anything.

Are you superior to blacks?

Is that a website?

Quantrill
 
Incorrect.

President Abraham Lincoln initiated a mission to send supplies (provisions) to Fort Sumter in April 1861, deliberately framing it as a "mission of humanity" rather than a direct, aggressive military reinforcement, although warships accompanied the expedition.

Key Details of the Mission:
  • The Approach: Lincoln informed South Carolina Governor Francis Pickens that he would attempt to supply Fort Sumter with provisions only.
  • The Condition: He stated that if this attempt was not resisted, no further efforts to send in additional men, arms, or ammunition would be made at that time.

Yes, deliberately lying. We already knew that.

No attempt need be made if he evacuated the Fort.

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He should have been hung!

He couldn't have been hung without a trial. The trial would reveal the real traitors, the North. The North would rather Davis go free then for them to be found out before the world that they were the ones responsible for the some 800,000 deaths and destruction of that war.

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Is that a website?

Quantrill
Yes, it most certainly is from a website. That's how google AI works. But it's not from a white supremacist website that you would typically use.

Are you superior to blacks?
 
It doesn't matter how Anderson felt. The move was the act of War. I showed you already that Buchannan's Secretary of War admitted it.

Quantrill
No. It wasn't an act of war. South Carolina seceded from the Union and Anderson moved his garrison as a DEFENSIVE move. Acts of war begin by firing on an enemy, dumb dumb.

Major Robert Anderson’s move from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter on December 26, 1860, was not an act of war. After South Carolina seceded in December 1860, Anderson felt his garrison at the indefensible Fort Moultrie was in danger of a land attack, so he moved his men to the more secure, unfinished island fortress, Fort Sumter.
 
I showed you already that Buchannan's Secretary of War admitted it.
Robert Anderson evacuated his 85 or so troops from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter on Dec. 26, 1860, a week after South Carolina seceded from the United States.

State representatives had met both before and after the secession vote with President James Buchanan, demanding he withdraw federal troops from Charleston and surrender all forts and other government property. They left those meetings believing they had an agreement with the president that both sides would maintain the status quo until a peaceful transfer of property could be negotiated. The U.S. would not reinforce Anderson’s garrison, Buchanan implied, in return for South Carolina’s not attacking them. He agreed to give advance notice if anything changed.

From this conversation, the South Carolinians inferred that the federal government would agree to a non-violent secession.

No evidence indicates Anderson was aware of such an agreement. He was instructed by U.S. Secretary of War John B. Floyd to occupy whichever Charleston fort seemed most defendable and avoid provoking the Carolinians. If, however, he was attacked, he was to defend his position. Following those orders, he chose to evacuate without notifying Washington first.

A Dec. 27 message from Anderson to Floyd confirmed he had “abandoned Fort Moultrie because I was certain that if attacked my men must have been sacrificed, and the command of the harbor lost. I spiked the guns and destroyed the carriages to keep the guns from being used against us.” He said he had enough food, medicine, and military supplies for about four months.

Carolinians were furious, believing Anderson had breached their agreement with Buchanan to maintain the status quo. They immediately mobilized local militia including the Washington Light Infantry, Palmetto Guard, Cadet Riflemen and others who, over the next several days, seized the Customs House, Arsenal, forts Moultrie and Johnson, Castle Pinckney and other government properties.

South Carolinians justified their actions by saying Buchanan had reneged on his promises. Federal officials, however, with no written agreement, considered the state’s forceful seizure of government properties an act of war, noting Anderson’s evacuation had been a defensive tactic posing no threat to Charlestonians.

Buchanan considered ordering Anderson back to Moultrie to mollify the Carolinians and blaming the major for acting without proper authority, even though Floyd’s orders had clearly given him that authority. Political pressure to forcefully respond to the property seizures, however, eliminated that option.

Buchanan met with the S.C. delegation after receiving Anderson’s notification, listening to their complaints without saying much. The next day, Dec. 28, he wrote using courteous but firm language that he considered the seizures an act of hostility. The United States, he proclaimed, would hold Fort Sumter by all means possible.

S.C. Gov. Francis Pickens announced he would not allow any U.S. ship to enter Charleston Harbor. He ordered both the militia at Fort Moultrie and a small unit of Citadel cadets whom he had sent to Morris Island to enforce that order.

On New Year’s Eve, Buchanan decided to send reinforcements to Anderson, something he had been considering since early fall. Rather than a military ship, however, on Jan. 5 the merchant steamer Star of the West left New York’s harbor. Though the mission was shrouded in secrecy, most sources say that while the Star left its berth with only supplies aboard, it shortly thereafter picked up more than 200 recruits from tugboats before heading to Fort Sumter.

Simultaneously, Anderson telegraphed Washington saying that while South Carolina was erecting batteries, he felt safe for the time being at Fort Sumter. After receiving Anderson’s message, Buchanan dispatched the warship Brooklyn to intercept the Star with orders to return, but it was too late.

The Star, sailing under the U.S. flag, arrived outside Charleston’s harbor just after midnight on Jan. 9, where it sat silently until daybreak. Any recruits aboard were ordered below deck; the ship looked like the simple merchant vessel she was.

That night, as he watched the naval drama unfold before him, Anderson had to make another historic decision. Should he take action to defend the Star or continue to do nothing to provoke the Carolinians, as his orders from Washington had said? He prepared to cover the ship, his men posted at the ready. Then he waited.

At dawn, as Star of the West began crossing the harbor’s bar, the cadets fired across its bow, initiating cannon fire from Fort Moultrie. Though a few shots hit the ship, no serious damage or injuries were incurred. The Star quickly turned around and headed back to New York. Anderson undoubtedly let out a sigh of relief and told his men to stand down. His caution and patience had, for the second time, avoided initiating a battle.

Meanwhile, warranted or not, South Carolina had fired the first shots of the Civil War at an apparently unarmed supply ship on Jan. 9

 
Because the flotilla was sent, with warships, with the purpose of reinforcing Sumter with men and arms is why South Carolina attacked. Anderson's move to Sumter was an act of War. The flotilla sent by Lincoln was an act of War.

Is that a website?

Quantrill
That's the usual ignorant argument of the white supremacists.
 
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Yes, deliberately lying. We already knew that.

No attempt need be made if he evacuated the Fort.

Quantrill
No. History. Just not the history you are getting from white supremacists websites.

It was a US fort, not a South Carolina fort. Should we evacuate Guantanamo bay too? I hear Cuba doesn't want us there too.
 
Yes, it most certainly is from a website. That's how google AI works. But it's not from a white supremacist website that you would typically use.

Are you superior to blacks?

Gee, artificial intelligence. Couldn't said it better myself. Some call it bullshit. It is 'artificial'. Which is right up your....alley.

Is that a website?

Quantrill
 
No. It wasn't an act of war. South Carolina seceded from the Union and Anderson moved his garrison as a DEFENSIVE move. Acts of war begin by firing on an enemy, dumb dumb.

Major Robert Anderson’s move from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter on December 26, 1860, was not an act of war. After South Carolina seceded in December 1860, Anderson felt his garrison at the indefensible Fort Moultrie was in danger of a land attack, so he moved his men to the more secure, unfinished island fortress, Fort Sumter.

Anderson didn't move his troops from Moultrie to Sumter immediately after the secession of South Carolina. The negotiations and rules based upon the negotiations of the Forts were established. Then negotiations began. Then Anderson violated the rules of the agreed negotiations. See post #(229).

Which was an act of war. Which instead of immediately firing on Sumter, South Carolina sought to peacefully solve the incident by having Anderson evacuate Fort Sumter. Which the North refused to do. Instead they continued stalling acting as if they were going to evacuate Sumter, lying, but all the while preparing for reinforcing Sumter, another act of war.

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