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Robert Anderson evacuated his 85 or so troops from Fort Moultrie to Fort Sumter on Dec. 26, 1860, a week after South Carolina seceded from the United States.

State representatives had met both before and after the secession vote with President James Buchanan, demanding he withdraw federal troops from Charleston and surrender all forts and other government property. They left those meetings believing they had an agreement with the president that both sides would maintain the status quo until a peaceful transfer of property could be negotiated. The U.S. would not reinforce Anderson’s garrison, Buchanan implied, in return for South Carolina’s not attacking them. He agreed to give advance notice if anything changed.

From this conversation, the South Carolinians inferred that the federal government would agree to a non-violent secession.

No evidence indicates Anderson was aware of such an agreement. He was instructed by U.S. Secretary of War John B. Floyd to occupy whichever Charleston fort seemed most defendable and avoid provoking the Carolinians. If, however, he was attacked, he was to defend his position. Following those orders, he chose to evacuate without notifying Washington first.

A Dec. 27 message from Anderson to Floyd confirmed he had “abandoned Fort Moultrie because I was certain that if attacked my men must have been sacrificed, and the command of the harbor lost. I spiked the guns and destroyed the carriages to keep the guns from being used against us.” He said he had enough food, medicine, and military supplies for about four months.

Carolinians were furious, believing Anderson had breached their agreement with Buchanan to maintain the status quo. They immediately mobilized local militia including the Washington Light Infantry, Palmetto Guard, Cadet Riflemen and others who, over the next several days, seized the Customs House, Arsenal, forts Moultrie and Johnson, Castle Pinckney and other government properties.

South Carolinians justified their actions by saying Buchanan had reneged on his promises. Federal officials, however, with no written agreement, considered the state’s forceful seizure of government properties an act of war, noting Anderson’s evacuation had been a defensive tactic posing no threat to Charlestonians.

Buchanan considered ordering Anderson back to Moultrie to mollify the Carolinians and blaming the major for acting without proper authority, even though Floyd’s orders had clearly given him that authority. Political pressure to forcefully respond to the property seizures, however, eliminated that option.

Buchanan met with the S.C. delegation after receiving Anderson’s notification, listening to their complaints without saying much. The next day, Dec. 28, he wrote using courteous but firm language that he considered the seizures an act of hostility. The United States, he proclaimed, would hold Fort Sumter by all means possible.

S.C. Gov. Francis Pickens announced he would not allow any U.S. ship to enter Charleston Harbor. He ordered both the militia at Fort Moultrie and a small unit of Citadel cadets whom he had sent to Morris Island to enforce that order.

On New Year’s Eve, Buchanan decided to send reinforcements to Anderson, something he had been considering since early fall. Rather than a military ship, however, on Jan. 5 the merchant steamer Star of the West left New York’s harbor. Though the mission was shrouded in secrecy, most sources say that while the Star left its berth with only supplies aboard, it shortly thereafter picked up more than 200 recruits from tugboats before heading to Fort Sumter.

Simultaneously, Anderson telegraphed Washington saying that while South Carolina was erecting batteries, he felt safe for the time being at Fort Sumter. After receiving Anderson’s message, Buchanan dispatched the warship Brooklyn to intercept the Star with orders to return, but it was too late.

The Star, sailing under the U.S. flag, arrived outside Charleston’s harbor just after midnight on Jan. 9, where it sat silently until daybreak. Any recruits aboard were ordered below deck; the ship looked like the simple merchant vessel she was.

That night, as he watched the naval drama unfold before him, Anderson had to make another historic decision. Should he take action to defend the Star or continue to do nothing to provoke the Carolinians, as his orders from Washington had said? He prepared to cover the ship, his men posted at the ready. Then he waited.

At dawn, as Star of the West began crossing the harbor’s bar, the cadets fired across its bow, initiating cannon fire from Fort Moultrie. Though a few shots hit the ship, no serious damage or injuries were incurred. The Star quickly turned around and headed back to New York. Anderson undoubtedly let out a sigh of relief and told his men to stand down. His caution and patience had, for the second time, avoided initiating a battle.

Meanwhile, warranted or not, South Carolina had fired the first shots of the Civil War at an apparently unarmed supply ship on Jan. 9


It didn't matter if Anderson didn't fire first. He started the war when he moved the troops from Moultrie to Sumter. South Carolina was withholding fire trying to get him to evacuate.

Well, South Carolina was warranted in firing as the Lincoln administration had been proved to be negotiating in bad faith. In other words, they lied. And they were caught lying. And they then sent the flotilla to reinforce Sumter with men and munitions. Which was another act of war.

And, as far as the first shots fired, that already occurred when Yankee Jayhawker Jim lane attacked pro-slavery folk in the State of Missouri. And the Yankee North did nothing about it. Then more shots fired by John Brown at Harpers Ferry. Which the North supported. As I have already stated.

Quantrill
 
Yes, it most certainly is from a website. That's how google AI works. But it's not from a white supremacist website that you would typically use.

Yes, you keep accusing me of that, but you fail to show any 'white supremacist' website that I use. In other words, you're just a liar until you can prove it.

And show me in our conversations where you get the idea I am a white supremacist.

All you have proven thus far is that you depend on artificial information. And that you are just a dumbass in glasses.

Quantrill
 
No. History. Just not the history you are getting from white supremacists websites.

It was a US fort, not a South Carolina fort. Should we evacuate Guantanamo bay too? I hear Cuba doesn't want us there too.

It was a South Carolina Fort. Once secession occurred the Fort went back to South Carolina. And, it already went back as the U.S. failed to finish it within the 3 year time period.

Well, Cuba was never a state...was it? And If I were Cuba, I would tell the U.S. to get the hell out of there also.

That's a risk you take when you build on other people's land. The U.S. should have thought about that before becoming the asshole.

Quantrill
 
It didn't matter if Anderson didn't fire first. He started the war when he moved the troops from Moultrie to Sumter. South Carolina was withholding fire trying to get him to evacuate.

Well, South Carolina was warranted in firing as the Lincoln administration had been proved to be negotiating in bad faith. In other words, they lied. And they were caught lying. And they then sent the flotilla to reinforce Sumter with men and munitions. Which was another act of war.

And, as far as the first shots fired, that already occurred when Yankee Jayhawker Jim lane attacked pro-slavery folk in the State of Missouri. And the Yankee North did nothing about it. Then more shots fired by John Brown at Harpers Ferry. Which the North supported. As I have already stated.

Quantrill
retard who attacked Brown at Harpers Ferry? The US Army did. As for Kansas there were only 16000 troops in the whole US army at the time.
 
retard who attacked Brown at Harpers Ferry? The US Army did. As for Kansas there were only 16000 troops in the whole US army at the time.

Well, dumbshit, Brown attacked first....dumbass. Brown made his attack upon the South in hopes of inciting and leading a slave rebellion. Brown fired the first shots.

Well, cry me a river. The US army had no problem sending troops to Harpers Ferry. Why? Because it was a Federal arsenal. Yet they chose to ignore going after Jim Lane for attacking a State of the Union. Why, because the North didn't give a shit about Missouri a slave state of the Union. Jim Lane, just like John Brown, was doing the North's bidding.

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Well, dumbshit, Brown attacked first....dumbass. Brown made his attack upon the South in hopes of inciting and leading a slave rebellion. Brown fired the first shots.

Well, cry me a river. The US army had no problem sending troops to Harpers Ferry. Why? Because it was a Federal arsenal. Yet they chose to ignore going after Jim Lane for attacking a State of the Union. Why, because the North didn't give a shit about Missouri a slave state of the Union. Jim Lane, just like John Brown, was doing the North's bidding.

Quantrill
god you are an idiot
 
I have finally created a new website on the American Civil War. My site presents a view of the Civil War that is rarely discussed in our history books, a view that steers a middle course between the pro-Southern Lost Cause narrative and the standard pro-Northern narrative that dominates our history books.

The American Civil War: An Alternative View
I'm wondering how long it will be before the leftists claim that Abraham Lincoln was a Democrat and it was the Republican Party that was pro-slavery. It's only a matter of time and revising history.
 
Southern heritage defenders typically claim that Lincoln was godless and immoral, and even anti-Christian. In his book Lincoln's Battle with God, Stephen Mansfield proves that Lincoln eventually embraced Christianity and the Bible and rejected his earlier anti-Christian skepticism. Mansfield does not sugar coat Lincoln's hostility toward Christianity in his younger years, but he shows that Lincoln changed his mind as he grew older.
 
Gee, artificial intelligence. Couldn't said it better myself. Some call it bullshit. It is 'artificial'. Which is right up your....alley.

Is that a website?

Quantrill
It was enough to put you in your place.
 
Anderson didn't move his troops from Moultrie to Sumter immediately after the secession of South Carolina. The negotiations and rules based upon the negotiations of the Forts were established. Then negotiations began. Then Anderson violated the rules of the agreed negotiations. See post #(229).

Which was an act of war. Which instead of immediately firing on Sumter, South Carolina sought to peacefully solve the incident by having Anderson evacuate Fort Sumter. Which the North refused to do. Instead they continued stalling acting as if they were going to evacuate Sumter, lying, but all the while preparing for reinforcing Sumter, another act of war.

Quantrill
Are you superior to blacks? Don't be afraid to say it. Don't be a coward like Quantrill.
 
It didn't matter if Anderson didn't fire first. He started the war when he moved the troops from Moultrie to Sumter. South Carolina was withholding fire trying to get him to evacuate.

Well, South Carolina was warranted in firing as the Lincoln administration had been proved to be negotiating in bad faith. In other words, they lied. And they were caught lying. And they then sent the flotilla to reinforce Sumter with men and munitions. Which was another act of war.

And, as far as the first shots fired, that already occurred when Yankee Jayhawker Jim lane attacked pro-slavery folk in the State of Missouri. And the Yankee North did nothing about it. Then more shots fired by John Brown at Harpers Ferry. Which the North supported. As I have already stated.

Quantrill
That's what white supremacists say.
 
It was a South Carolina Fort. Once secession occurred the Fort went back to South Carolina. And, it already went back as the U.S. failed to finish it within the 3 year time period.

Well, Cuba was never a state...was it? And If I were Cuba, I would tell the U.S. to get the hell out of there also.

That's a risk you take when you build on other people's land. The U.S. should have thought about that before becoming the asshole.

Quantrill
Are you superior to blacks?
 
It was a South Carolina Fort. Once secession occurred the Fort went back to South Carolina. And, it already went back as the U.S. failed to finish it within the 3 year time period.
By any rational measurement, Davis’s decision to attack Fort Sumter was idiotic. It played right into the hands of war-hungry Republicans. The attack enraged Northern public opinion and made it impossible for Lincoln and other Northern moderates to avoid using force.

Davis should have realized that attacking Fort Sumter would mean war, that it would inflame most Northern citizens and give Northern hardliners the perfect excuse to demand an invasion of the Confederate states. He should have also realized that attacking the fort would have the Confederacy firing the first shot.

Davis provided the excuse for sending the federal naval convoy in the first place by foolishly halting the supply of food to the Fort Sumter garrison. When Republicans heard that the garrison’s food supply had been cut off, they logically demanded that a naval convoy be sent to resupply the garrison.

Far from cutting off their food, Davis should have ensured the garrison continued to receive food. This would have deprived Northern hardliners of the excuse that they were "just sending in food."

And then Davis should have simply ignored the garrison. The garrison consisted of only 80 to 85 soldiers and was not interfering with shipping in Charleston Harbor. The fort itself had been considered unimportant and its construction had still not been completed. The fort’s interior, gun emplacements, and defensive works were still unfinished. The fort was of questionable military value and was expensive to maintain. That's why South Carolina ceded the fort to the federal government in 1805.

Davis was a decent, honorable man, but he was an incompetent leader.
 
Are you superior to blacks?

Is that a website? Still waiting for you to show the white supremacist website you said I get my information from. You can't show it because you're full of shit. You like to say things, as though that makes them so.

Until you can support your accusation, you're just a dumbass in glasses. You let your mouth write a check your silly ass can't cover. And you're not man enough to admit it.

Quantrill
 
By any rational measurement, Davis’s decision to attack Fort Sumter was idiotic. It played right into the hands of war-hungry Republicans. The attack enraged Northern public opinion and made it impossible for Lincoln and other Northern moderates to avoid using force.

Davis should have realized that attacking Fort Sumter would mean war, that it would inflame most Northern citizens and give Northern hardliners the perfect excuse to demand an invasion of the Confederate states. He should have also realized that attacking the fort would have the Confederacy firing the first shot.

Davis provided the excuse for sending the federal naval convoy in the first place by foolishly halting the supply of food to the Fort Sumter garrison. When Republicans heard that the garrison’s food supply had been cut off, they logically demanded that a naval convoy be sent to resupply the garrison.

Far from cutting off their food, Davis should have ensured the garrison continued to receive food. This would have deprived Northern hardliners of the excuse that they were "just sending in food."

And then Davis should have simply ignored the garrison. The garrison consisted of only 80 to 85 soldiers and was not interfering with shipping in Charleston Harbor. The fort itself had been considered unimportant and its construction had still not been completed. The fort’s interior, gun emplacements, and defensive works were still unfinished. The fort was of questionable military value and was expensive to maintain. That's why South Carolina ceded the fort to the federal government in 1805.

Davis was a decent, honorable man, but he was an incompetent leader.

Nice speech.

Quantrill
 
Is that a website? Still waiting for you to show the white supremacist website you said I get my information from. You can't show it because you're full of shit. You like to say things, as though that makes them so.

Until you can support your accusation, you're just a dumbass in glasses. You let your mouth write a check your silly ass can't cover. And you're not man enough to admit it.

Quantrill
Says the guy who won’t say if he is superior to blacks or not.
 
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Says the guy who won’t say if he is superior to blacks or not.

Again, show me what I have said that implies I am a white supremacist. Show me the websites or white supremacy you accuse me of using.

Quantrill
 
Again, show me what I have said that implies I am a white supremacist. Show me the websites or white supremacy you accuse me of using.

Quantrill
you are defending an organization that left the Union to enshrine SLAVERY in their Constitution, and you wonder why people claim you are a white supremist?
 
By any rational measurement, Davis’s decision to attack Fort Sumter was idiotic. It played right into the hands of war-hungry Republicans. The attack enraged Northern public opinion and made it impossible for Lincoln and other Northern moderates to avoid using force.

Davis should have realized that attacking Fort Sumter would mean war, that it would inflame most Northern citizens and give Northern hardliners the perfect excuse to demand an invasion of the Confederate states. He should have also realized that attacking the fort would have the Confederacy firing the first shot.

Davis provided the excuse for sending the federal naval convoy in the first place by foolishly halting the supply of food to the Fort Sumter garrison. When Republicans heard that the garrison’s food supply had been cut off, they logically demanded that a naval convoy be sent to resupply the garrison.

Far from cutting off their food, Davis should have ensured the garrison continued to receive food. This would have deprived Northern hardliners of the excuse that they were "just sending in food."

And then Davis should have simply ignored the garrison. The garrison consisted of only 80 to 85 soldiers and was not interfering with shipping in Charleston Harbor. The fort itself had been considered unimportant and its construction had still not been completed. The fort’s interior, gun emplacements, and defensive works were still unfinished. The fort was of questionable military value and was expensive to maintain. That's why South Carolina ceded the fort to the federal government in 1805.

Davis was a decent, honorable man, but he was an incompetent leader.

Of course Davis knew attacking Sumter would lead to full scale war. Just like Lincoln knew sending the Naval fleet would start a full scale war. Just like all knew an act of war was already committed when Anderson moved his troops to Moultrie. So many knew so much.

When did Davis halt the supply of food to Sumter? And, why is one supposed to supply food to their enemy when an act of war has already been committed?

You say Fort Sumter was unimportant. Stupid statement. At the same time Lincoln's Navy was headed to Fort Sumter, he also had troops and ships headed to Fort Pickens in Florida to reinforce it as he was going to do at Sumter. And, he was able to do just that. As a result, Fort Pickens remained in Union hands throughout the war. Became a place where Yankee ships could land troops and plan land attacks from there. Lincoln

Sumter was once again Sout Carolina's property as the Federal govt. did not complete it's building in a 3 year period and did not maintain a garrison of troops there. Secession sealed the deal for South Carolina to take control over Sumter.

Why was Davis an incompetent leader?

Quantrill
 
you are defending an organization that left the Union to enshrine SLAVERY in their Constitution, and you wonder why people claim you are a white supremist?

Slavery was already in the U.S. Constitution.

Yes, I wonder why.

Quantrill
 
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