New Study: Greenland Was 3-7°C Warmer And Far Less Glaciated Than Today 6000-8000 Years Ago

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Both right and wrong. The southern oceans, because of their greater extent, absorb more heat at the beginning of the warmer periods at the start of the interglacials controlled by the Milankovitch Cycles. The relationship between the oceans and land masses are not simple. And the rise of the Himalayan Mountains, like the rise of the Appalachians in the Ordovician Period, reduced the amount of CO2 in the air by chemical weathering. At a slow enough rate that animals and plants had to time to evolve and migrate to adjust to changing conditions. That is not the case with AGW. Not only that, but we have effectively block most migration routes. So we are at the beginning of the sixth great extinction event.

Orbital forcing is a farce. The slow acting nature of orbital forcing can't be responsible for abrupt cooling and abrupt warming. Which is why no real science has been done on it. It's only basis is a poor correlation for cooling. The oceans on the other hand have had lots of science to show how changing ocean currents were responsible for glaciation and deglaciation.

Yes, plate tectonics played a huge part in setting the stage for bipolar glaciation. Besides the Himalayan and the Panama isthmus, the thermal isolation of the polar regions played a huge role. All of which are reasons is why the northern hemisphere is subject to glacial cycles in the first place.

But if you disagree feel free to show how orbital forcing caused D-O events.

 

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Over the past 20 years, Greenland, part of the North American Plate, has moved 0.9 inches to the Northwest. That would equal 270 inches in the last 6000 years, or 22.5 feet. Hardly enough to affect the whole climate of Greenland. One only has to look at the Milankovitch Cycles to understand why Greenland was warmer 6000 to 8000 years ago. However that seems to big a project for the dunderheaded deniers on this board.

Can you find one single piece of land on Earth within 600 miles of a pole not in ice age? NO

Can you find one single piece of land on Earth outside of 600 miles of a pole in ice age? NO

600 miles to the pole is a LAW. When land on Earth gets to within 600 miles of a pole, the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt during summer, and starts to stack, and that is the start of an ice age, which is continent specific. When a continent in ice age moves more than 600 miles from a pole, it melts, as North America did recently.

YOU CANNOT REFUTE ONE WORD OF THAT.


As for Milankovich/McBullshit, that was cooked up after 2012 as homO gave the FBI FRAUD case to the CO2 FRAUD and allowed them to attempt to cover up the real truth that


GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED AT THE SAME TIME.

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McBullshit is easily refuted as 100% crapola CO2 FRAUD bullshit on both poles...

Thread 'The lies of Milankovich Cycles aka McBullshit - where was land mass Antarctica 70 million years ago'

Aug 9, 2023

McBullshit claims Antarctica has been on the South Pole forever, it never moved at all. And, while it is on the South Pole, it has rapidly gone from ice age to tropical paradise and back over and over.... a Dennis Quaid theory for sure...

We know that Antarctica has 70 million year old dinosaur fossils, and clearly they did not live on top of 2+ mile thick ice at -60F...

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Thread 'How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?'

May 15, 2023

This is where the climate debate is now stuck.

Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today.

Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very "Dennis Quaid" approach to ice ages - they are lightning fast, quick, and agile. They come and go really fast.

Since 2010, Milankovitch has replaced "North American Ice Age" with the claim that the ice on Chicago recently that was 2.5 miles thick was only 75k years old.

Really....

My side, which is...

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The oceans on the other hand have had lots of science to show how changing ocean currents were responsible for glaciation and deglaciation.

Actually water does not cause ice, because it is too warm to do that.

IQ over 5 required to notice.

 

[EMH]

the interglacials

interglacials are CO2 FRAUD bullshit and 100% refuted by ice cores...

Thread '"Interglacials" are 100% refuted by ice cores'

Oct 28, 2025

CO2 FRAUD is 100% about getting science invalids to believe planet Earth warms and cools as a whole. That conclusion was completely blown out of the water by the fact that Greenland froze while North America thawed during the past 1 million years.

The "interglacial" is part of CO2 FRAUD's attempt to mislead on that issue.

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The last interglacial...

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[EMH]

Greenland began its major glaciation around 3 million years

Laughable BS, since the northernmost study found DNA that dates back 2 million years. The only issue is how many layers over that were already scraped off by the ice. Greenland's continent specific ice age is max 2 million years old, and just recently penetrated the southern tip, giving us some clues about ice ages...


1. they move about 1 mile every 1-2 thousand years, a truly glacial pace
2. a 1-2 million year ice age gets to max 1 mile thick in that time


and that 100% refutes all of the McBullshit "rapid" climate change BS.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Fun fact:

Iceland is greener than Greenland.
Greenland is icier than Iceland.

 

[EMH]

At the time when they arrived they did. Of course, they also arrived there and started colonies at the tail end of the Medieval Warm Period. Within two generations the climate started getting colder, and 300 years after that the Little Ice Age set in and they abandoned the island.

Completely lost.

How did Greenland freeze while North America thawed at the same time...

10k years
20k years
1 million years

take your pick.


MWP and LIA are 100% bullshit that are based upon local weather in Europe.

Thread 'Apparently we really need a "debate" over the term ICE AGE because y'all are all wrong...'

Jun 23, 2023

What is an ICE AGE?

Most apparently still believe it is a terrifying horror movie event where Earth all at once freezes up. The data has never supported such a scenario. Since 2010, there has been a massive effort to re-write Earth climate history into a series of rapid "glaciations" and ice retreats, as if "Day After Tomorrow" movie is accurate... LOL!!! What was North American Ice Age before 2010 is now spun into a series of rapid "ice ages" where it took a mere 75k years for the "ice age" to start in Northern Canada and put 2.5 mile thick glaicers on Chicago. This is "Milankovich"...

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Fun fact:

Iceland is greener than Greenland.
Greenland is icier than Iceland.

Iceland is on the fault at the center bottom of the Atlantic, and regularly has magma releases on that fault...

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[EMH]

Iceland is actually the only piece of land on Earth "growing" and will continue to grow as the Atlantic Ocean grows. It is the only part of the fault above sea level.

 

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Orbital forcing is a farce. The slow acting nature of orbital forcing can't be responsible for abrupt cooling and abrupt warming. Which is why no real science has been done on it. It's only basis is a poor correlation for cooling. The oceans on the other hand have had lots of science to show how changing ocean currents were responsible for glaciation and deglaciation.

Yes, plate tectonics played a huge part in setting the stage for bipolar glaciation. Besides the Himalayan and the Panama isthmus, the thermal isolation of the polar regions played a huge role. All of which are reasons is why the northern hemisphere is subject to glacial cycles in the first place.

But if you disagree feel free to show how orbital forcing caused D-O events.

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LOL Are tipping points a foreign concept for you? Here, learn something.

Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth's Climate - NASA Science

Small cyclical variations in the shape of Earth's orbit, its wobble and the angle its axis is tilted play key roles in influencing Earth's climate over timespans of tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years.

science.nasa.gov

 

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Iceland is on the fault at the center bottom of the Atlantic, and regularly has magma releases on that fault...

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LOL It is called a rift zone, and Iceland also has a plume below it. Double whammy.

 

[Old Rocks]

Completely lost.

How did Greenland freeze while North America thawed at the same time...

10k years
20k years
1 million years

take your pick.


MWP and LIA are 100% bullshit that are based upon local weather in Europe.

Thread 'Apparently we really need a "debate" over the term ICE AGE because y'all are all wrong...'

Jun 23, 2023

What is an ICE AGE?

Most apparently still believe it is a terrifying horror movie event where Earth all at once freezes up. The data has never supported such a scenario. Since 2010, there has been a massive effort to re-write Earth climate history into a series of rapid "glaciations" and ice retreats, as if "Day After Tomorrow" movie is accurate... LOL!!! What was North American Ice Age before 2010 is now spun into a series of rapid "ice ages" where it took a mere 75k years for the "ice age" to start in Northern Canada and put 2.5 mile thick glaicers on Chicago. This is "Milankovich"...

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Because it did not. Greenland had far more ice during the depths of the ice maximum. It has thawed the same as North America. However the altitude of most of Greenland means much more of it's mountains are glaciated.

 

[Old Rocks]

Laughable BS, since the northernmost study found DNA that dates back 2 million years. The only issue is how many layers over that were already scraped off by the ice. Greenland's continent specific ice age is max 2 million years old, and just recently penetrated the southern tip, giving us some clues about ice ages...


1. they move about 1 mile every 1-2 thousand years, a truly glacial pace
2. a 1-2 million year ice age gets to max 1 mile thick in that time


and that 100% refutes all of the McBullshit "rapid" climate change BS.

Damn, just where do you get this kind of misinformation from? Do you wipe afterwards? LOL

17 kilometers (10.6 miles) per year
The largest glacier in Greenland is the Jakobshavn Isbræ, which is also the fastest-moving glacier in the world. It has been recorded to move at a speed of 17 kilometers (10.6 miles) per year, or approximately 46 meters (151 feet) per day during the summer months. This glacier plays a significant role in the dynamics of the Greenland Ice Sheet and contributes to global sea level rise due to its rapid melting.

Guinness World Records+2

 

[Old Rocks]

Fun fact:

Iceland is greener than Greenland.
Greenland is icier than Iceland.

Truth. Even in Eric the Reds day, that was true. Were Eric alive today, he would be a used car salesman. He so named it to get other Vikings to emigrate to Greenland.

 

[Old Rocks]

interglacials are CO2 FRAUD bullshit and 100% refuted by ice cores...

Thread '"Interglacials" are 100% refuted by ice cores'

Oct 28, 2025

CO2 FRAUD is 100% about getting science invalids to believe planet Earth warms and cools as a whole. That conclusion was completely blown out of the water by the fact that Greenland froze while North America thawed during the past 1 million years.

The "interglacial" is part of CO2 FRAUD's attempt to mislead on that issue.

Google Search

The last interglacial...

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Once again you are pulling silly ass claims out of that silly ass. The ice cores show very clearly the interglacial periods.

Interglacial periods are recorded in Greenland ice cores through the analysis of annual snow layers that accumulate over thousands of years. These layers, known as ice cores, provide a continuous record of climate conditions. The NEEM ice core drilling project, for example, drilled through a 2.5-kilometer thick ice sheet to obtain a complete ice core record from the Eemian period, which lasted from 130,000 to 115,000 years ago. The project's findings indicate that the Eemian period was around 8 degrees Celsius warmer than today, with significant surface melting and a few hundred meters lower ice sheet level. This data helps scientists reconstruct past climates and understand the dynamics of interglacial periods.

Niels Bohr Institutet

 

[Old Rocks]

Actually water does not cause ice, because it is too warm to do that.

IQ over 5 required to notice.

And sexual intercourse does not cause babies. LOL Without water, no ice. Water, cold air, and snow make ice and glacial ice.

 

[Foxfyre]

Greenland had far less snow and Ice a few thousand years ago as the region was much warmer than it is now with the miracle CO2 levels at around the 260 ppm level.

I am sure warmest/alarmest will panic over this.

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New Study: Greenland Was 3-7°C Warmer And Far Less Glaciated Than Today 6000-8000 Years Ago

By Kenneth Richard on 12. January 2026

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A large portion of the Greenland ice sheet that is today over 500 m thick did not exist during the Early to Mid Holocene.​

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And I'm pretty sure that's a fact. New Mexico, the third driest state in the Union comprising a lot of desert, was mostly shallow ocean during parts of at least three geologic periods. It was lush rain forest for several million years during the Paleozoic period.

Imagine the panic rhetoric from politically motivated 'scientists' if they had existed when all that started changing way back when.

Climate change is an ongoing, constant, inevitable process and always will be. It was happening from the beginning of Planet Earth and, if we manage to make ourselves instinct, will continue to happen after we are long gone.

It happens on Greenland too and always has.

 

[Old Rocks]

Can you find one single piece of land on Earth within 600 miles of a pole not in ice age? NO

Can you find one single piece of land on Earth outside of 600 miles of a pole in ice age? NO

600 miles to the pole is a LAW. When land on Earth gets to within 600 miles of a pole, the annual snowfall ceases to fully melt during summer, and starts to stack, and that is the start of an ice age, which is continent specific. When a continent in ice age moves more than 600 miles from a pole, it melts, as North America did recently.

YOU CANNOT REFUTE ONE WORD OF THAT.


As for Milankovich/McBullshit, that was cooked up after 2012 as homO gave the FBI FRAUD case to the CO2 FRAUD and allowed them to attempt to cover up the real truth that


GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED AT THE SAME TIME.

Google Search

McBullshit is easily refuted as 100% crapola CO2 FRAUD bullshit on both poles...

Thread 'The lies of Milankovich Cycles aka McBullshit - where was land mass Antarctica 70 million years ago'

Aug 9, 2023

McBullshit claims Antarctica has been on the South Pole forever, it never moved at all. And, while it is on the South Pole, it has rapidly gone from ice age to tropical paradise and back over and over.... a Dennis Quaid theory for sure...

We know that Antarctica has 70 million year old dinosaur fossils, and clearly they did not live on top of 2+ mile thick ice at -60F...

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Thread 'How old were the 2.5 mile thick glaciers covering Chicago in the past 20k-5 million years?'

May 15, 2023

This is where the climate debate is now stuck.

Every piece of land within 600 miles of a pole is in ice age, everything outside of that is not. Nobody has attempted to dispute that. It is the clear truth of Earth today.

Milankovitch Cycles, which I call McBullshit Cycles, take a very "Dennis Quaid" approach to ice ages - they are lightning fast, quick, and agile. They come and go really fast.

Since 2010, Milankovitch has replaced "North American Ice Age" with the claim that the ice on Chicago recently that was 2.5 miles thick was only 75k years old.

Really....

My side, which is...

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No, Chicago was not covered by ice continuously for the past 20K to 2 million years ago.

 

[Old Rocks]

And I'm pretty sure that's a fact. New Mexico, the third driest state in the Union comprising a lot of desert, was mostly shallow ocean during parts of at least three geologic periods. It was lush rain forest for several million years during the Paleozoic period.

Imagine the panic rhetoric from politically motivated 'scientists' if they had existed when all that started changing way back when.

Climate change is an ongoing, constant, inevitable process and always will be. It was happening from the beginning of Planet Earth and, if we manage to make ourselves instinct, will continue to happen after we are long gone.

It happens on Greenland too and always has.

What a silly post. It is not the fact that our actions are changing the climate that is the problem, it is the rate of change. Yes, there have been many climate changes in the past. And most were slow enough that animals, and even plants, were able to adjust, by migration or evolution, to the changes. And there have been periods where the change was too fast for that. They were known as periods of extinction. Today, the rate of climate change is exceeding most of the rates of those extinctions. The only rates that exceed what we are seeing today were from impacts. Denigrating the scientist's warnings hardly shows any intelligence on your part. Because the scientist's warnings, not journalists, but actual research scientists, have been too conservative considering what we are seeing today. A good example is Dr. James Hansen's warning concerning the melting of the sea ice in the Northwest Passage. He predicted in his 1981 paper that we would see that Passage open occasionally by 2100. It first opened in 2007. In 2016, a 1000 passenger luxury cruise ship made the Passage. The scientists are correct in sounding the tocsin, even though fools will not listen. And these very same fools, when the inevitable consequences come to pass, will point their fingers at the scientists and say "Why didn't you warn us!".

 

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LOL Are tipping points a foreign concept for you? Here, learn something.

Milankovitch (Orbital) Cycles and Their Role in Earth's Climate - NASA Science

Small cyclical variations in the shape of Earth's orbit, its wobble and the angle its axis is tilted play key roles in influencing Earth's climate over timespans of tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of years.

science.nasa.gov

What were these tipping points?