New: CBP Shoots and Kills Man in MN

[XponentialChaos]

“Appears” = facts to you? ******* idiot

Are you still denying the obvious? That’s cute.

Most MAGAs have accepted this and moved on to the next talking point. I guess you’re a little behind. Let me know when you catch up to the others.

 

[Blaster]

Except Alex Pretti didn't "attack" ICE agents.

He was videoing them with his phone.

NOTE TO SELF: Videoing ICE agents in public really pissed them off.

WW

Bullshit

 

[ThisIsMe]

Tons of reports and videos of this circulating online.

If a random citizen walks up to an officer and asks to see their warrant, the officer is not required to provide that warrant to a random person who walks up.

The story of warrantless arrests are over bloated by leftist media and “citizen journalists”. Ice are conducting targeted raids on illegals according to the law. It is also true that if they suspect someone being here illegally, a warrant is not required.

Immigration officers around Minneapolis are approaching people and demanding proof that they’re U.S. citizens

U.S. citizens who are out walking or standing in public are not required to provide documentation or provide identification, one legal expert says.

www.nbcnews.com

But then again, why demand proof when you don’t give a shit anyway?

the story says the guy fled from the agents giving them probable cause. There just really aren’t examples of them roaming around just randomly asking people for ID.

It’s necessary to have a warrant when you’re busting down someone’s door.

Can ICE Enter a Home To Make an Arrest With Only an Administrative Warrant?

The Associated Press reports: Immigration officers assert sweeping power to enter homes without a judge's warrant, memo says WASHINGTON (AP)…

reason.com

US Judge Rules ICE Raids Require Judicial Warrants, Contradicting Secret ICE Memo

The ruling in federal court in Minnesota lands as Immigration and Customs Enforcement faces scrutiny over an internal memo claiming judge-signed warrants aren’t needed to enter homes without consent.

www.wired.com

Their use of force is completely beyond reason.

Ok, where are the stories of them doing this?

Their definition of obstruction is absurd.

If you are interfering with agents doing their job, that’s obstruction. That can extend from physically trying to stop them, to not giving information if you know something about the person they are looking for.

 

[j-mac]

FNC doesn’t do journalism. They’re opinion.

And you think that NBC, CBS, ABC, or CNN aren't? Wow, talk about easily duped....

I can find dozens of episodes of this, but why should I unless it actually matters? Does it?

As could I about YOUR favorite sources...

Facts are not in dispute. They broke down his door without a judicial warrant.

It's under appeal....You think YOU know better?

Lots of denials and non-answers.

DHS and CBP are part of the Trump administration and therefore they won’t say anything he doesn’t want them to, meaning nothing that would do any harm to the agenda. The Trump administration is in charge of investigating itself. Sounds like a good way to get the truth?

It won’t go to the courts.

LOL....I see, your whole measure is based on, not the truth, nor is it what the courts say, only if YOU agree with it....Sorry bud, we don't have mob rule quite yet...

What we saw on the video is not an opinion. Those are facts. You still believe facts exist, don’t you?

Of course I believe in facts. What a stupid question.

Now, I'll say that until facts are proven, they're not facts...So, just because you believe something, doesn't make it fact.

 

[Delldude]

LEOs yes

ICE

NO

#2290

 

[j-mac]

Sure. I would be happy for an investigation NOT run by Cross-Eyes Kash and his corrupt FBI.

Well, that's just too bad Joe...Kash is the Director of the FBI, and I think it's hilarious that you think just because Patel took over as Director, that the career agents are now all of the sudden corrupt....What a stupid way to think....

In any case, the investigation will be the final word. Like it or not, no one listens to you...So, you won't sway me.

 

[Delldude]

They are going after immigrants who've either committed no crime or minor offenses.

What was it Tom Homan, past Obama DHS head, said?

"All criminal illegals"….....all illegals are guilty.

My friend shouldn't have to carry papers around with her to prove who she is.

Who you kidding, you have no friends.

 

[Marener]

If a random citizen walks up to an officer and asks to see their warrant, the officer is not required to provide that warrant to a random person who walks up.

The story of warrantless arrests are over bloated by leftist media and “citizen journalists”. Ice are conducting targeted raids on illegals according to the law. It is also true that if they suspect someone being here illegally, a warrant is not required.

the story says the guy fled from the agents giving them probable cause. There just really aren’t examples of them roaming around just randomly asking people for ID.

But wait, if it’s targeted, why would they care if he “fled”. But also, why do you believe ICE? These guys have been caught lying over and over again. Notice how they didn’t release any video of the encounter, and there never will be because you’re supposed to just accept whatever they say.

More examples:

Ok, where are the stories of them doing this?

In the links provided. Didn’t you read it?

If you are interfering with agents doing their job, that’s obstruction. That can extend from physically trying to stop them, to not giving information if you know something about the person they are looking for.

You are not required to give them information if you know something.

You are allowed to observe them and video them. You are allowed to follow them. You are allowed to yell at them. You are allowed to be mean to them.

None of this is obstructing.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Ordinary police do those things. ICE has been in operation for years and didn't need masks. Now suddenly they do. I'm sure if Obama or Biden had done this, you would not be making the same excuses. You are supporting totalitarianism. The truth is that you on the right believe in fascism. That's why you guys oppose ANTIFA, which stands for ANTI FACISTS.

Yes, when Obama and Biden were deporting illegals, leftists didn’t care, but when trump came into office all of the sudden deporting illegals became a bad thing, and death threats and attacks on ice agents are up a lot.

Also, when trump started deportations, it became MUCH more visible because leftists started taking to the streets.

We oppose antifa because they are a violent leftists organization whose only goal is to sow hatred and violence. I have a hunch that nearly all of these people protesting these things don’t care at all about illegals or the deportations, it’s all because it’s trump doing it. If they did care, then where were the protests when Biden and Obama were deporting people?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Well until it happens to one of yours. Mind you psychopaths aren't known for their empathy.

I accept that if one of mine sticks their nose in the middle of a Law Enforcement engagement and gets killed, they essentially asked for it.

Stop with the deflection.

 

[HikerGuy83]

Unlike your narrative. Busy typing away in mum's basement. Not a care in the world

You are so clever.

And unknowledgeable.

 

[ThisIsMe]

There is no sane comparison whatsoever. You can make up anything and claim it can be compared, but the situations are not the same. Trump incited a crowd with a bunch of lies about something that never happened. Walz has been imploring the people to be peaceful, but he had strong words for the administration that is actually killing citizens. There is no similarity and for you right-wingers to even make that claim is disingenuous. You right-wing fascists want to imagine this being the same, but thinking peope plainly see that it isn't, and no matter how many times you try arguing that it is, you are lying to yourself.

Walz is using rhetoric to anger the people.


Trump also said to be peaceful, at his J6 speech. Funny how you all credit Walz for saying it but not trump.

The incitement aspect is the exact same. Not just from Walz, but other democrat leaders.

 

[Marener]

And you think that NBC, CBS, ABC, or CNN aren't? Wow, talk about easily duped....

So you’re just going to believe whatever you want to believe. Is that right?

As could I about YOUR favorite sources...

It's under appeal....You think YOU know better?

Is it? Please link to their appeal. As I said, they’re not disputing the facts. They’re just saying what they did, breaking down a door without a judicial warrant, is okay.

LOL....I see, your whole measure is based on, not the truth, nor is it what the courts say, only if YOU agree with it....Sorry bud, we don't have mob rule quite yet...

As if you care what the courts say anyway. You only believe what you want to believe. If the court doesn’t say what you want, you won’t believe it anyway.

Of course I believe in facts. What a stupid question.

Now, I'll say that until facts are proven, they're not facts...So, just because you believe something, doesn't make it fact.

“Proven” how? You can just pretend a fact isn’t proven when it doesn’t fit your narrative. You’ve lost any semblance of objectivity.

 

[Hafar1014]

And now you're lying. She clearly wasn't trying to run him over. Even your fellow MAGAs agree that she was trying to flee.

Why do you choose to lie? Do you think that helps your argument? It doesn't.

Obstructing resisting arrest and fleeing in a car that did strike and agent is use of deadly force

 

[Marener]

Walz is using rhetoric to anger the people.


Trump also said to be peaceful, at his J6 speech. Funny how you all credit Walz for saying it but not trump.

The incitement aspect is the exact same. Not just from Walz, but other democrat leaders.

So you think Trump incited the Capitol riot?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Oh look, a meme just for you. Your answer to those who question those who shoot harmless people.

uh...

harmless people who carry guns or run their cars at agents while fleeing while interfering with Law Enforcement engagements.

Fixed it for you

 

[j-mac]

So you’re just going to believe whatever you want to believe. Is that right?

Is it? Please link to their appeal. As I said, they’re not disputing the facts. They’re just saying what they did, breaking down a door without a judicial warrant, is okay.

As if you care what the courts say anyway. You only believe what you want to believe. If the court doesn’t say what you want, you won’t believe it anyway.

“Proven” how? You can just pretend a fact isn’t proven when it doesn’t fit your narrative. You’ve lost any semblance of objectivity.

That's a whole lot of projection right there...Get a better argument....

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Executed.

 

[Marener]

That's a whole lot of projection right there...Get a better argument....

I can’t argue with someone who doesn’t have an open mind.

Your whole argument boils down to not wanting to know.

 

[SweetSue92]

Stop making excuses for them. They shouted “Gun!” when there was no gun. That has nothing to do with the whistles. The sense that failed was their eyes, not their ears.

Someone was wrongfully shot, that's for sure. But it was an ACCIDENT because they couldn't hear one another. Hello?