'Never Let A Crisis Go To Waste' 2.0" LPSD Plan To Use COVID-19 Pandemic For Voter Fraud

[easyt65]

24% of the country votes by mail. 33 million votes in 2016. 3 states vote entirely by mail with California trying to be the 4th. Every state must allow no excuse Vote by Mail.

This shows the importance of not only Voter REGISTRATON but also voter VERIFICATION prior to voting and a system to keep track of a registered voter's votes (only 1 mail-in ballot/vote per)

You want to try that again in English?

If the country goes to an all 'Mail-In Ballot' election system due to COVID-19 (or whatever reason), the importance of verifying / certifying everyone who registers to vote (to ensure they exist, they are residents, they are still alive, they are registered in only 1 state) and keeping track of mail-in ballots (to ensure registered + verified / certified voters only vote ONCE) will be critical.

 

[LeftofLeft]

How is voting by mail, something that has been a possibility for over 20 years voter fraud? Trump has asked for an absentee ballot for Florida. So how do you make that leap?

As to fraud itself. What instance do you know of that involved fraudulent by mail voting?

I suggest you read the article or ask RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel herself since SHE is the one making the statement.

You are the one making statements on this board. You said that Democrats use COVID 19 as an excuse to commit voter fraud.

Anyway, I read the article. A few things. She's making some pretty big leaps without trying to prove any of them. I know of one instance of voter fraud by mail. It was done by a Republican incumbent. She alludes to other possible ways to commit fraud. The thing is she has no examples of it actually happening.

In 2016 33 million votes where cast by mail. No fraud was detected.

As to election integrity, it's the GOP that's been actively blocking legislation to ensure it. You have a president who has gone on camera and flat out said he will take whatever help he can get, regardless of its source and has actively used his position to try to get dirt on his political opponent by blackmailing an ally. So I find it laughable to now when it comes to ensuring that people will be able to cast their vote in a time of medical emergency all of sudden election integrity is so important that people's lives should not be a consideration.

By the way, election fraud is a felony. Of all things to be put in jail that seems the dumbest. So fearing all of a sudden that enough people will engage in it to have a meaningful impact on the election is disingenuous

This thing has one purpose and one purpose only. To lower voter turnout. I would assert that if your goal in an election process is having as few people possible actually participating in the election process a free and fair election is very far from your mind.

In 2016 33 million votes where cast by mail. No fraud was detected.

What were the detection and processes used to insure no fraud was committed? Who conducted the detection? Was the detection process conducted internally or by third parties? Was there a detection process during the election, post-election, or both?

Just saying fraud detection took place in 33 million mail ballots with no positive results is not sufficient; or, more than likely, the detection process was weak. A mail-in ballot has a lot of attributes or metadata that can and should be indexed real time and analyzed retrospectively. I for one would take a critical eye to that process.

There was an entire commission established by president Trump with the purpose of finding cases of voter fraud. So to your questions. I don't know, but I do know the people investigating it had a vested POLITICAL interest in finding it. A single case would have been a boon to Trump and yet none was found.

Again, just because a commission was set up and they would have been motivated to detect legitimate voter fraud, does not mean it was successful.

I am talking about the need for a process rooted in data science and transparency to mitigate risk of voter fraud in an all mail-in ballot.

 

[SweetTea]

How is voting by mail, something that has been a possibility for over 20 years voter fraud? Trump has asked for an absentee ballot for Florida. So how do you make that leap?

As to fraud itself. What instance do you know of that involved fraudulent by mail voting?

I suggest you read the article or ask RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel herself since SHE is the one making the statement.

You are the one making statements on this board. You said that Democrats use COVID 19 as an excuse to commit voter fraud.

Anyway, I read the article. A few things. She's making some pretty big leaps without trying to prove any of them. I know of one instance of voter fraud by mail. It was done by a Republican incumbent. She alludes to other possible ways to commit fraud. The thing is she has no examples of it actually happening.

In 2016 33 million votes where cast by mail. No fraud was detected.

As to election integrity, it's the GOP that's been actively blocking legislation to ensure it. You have a president who has gone on camera and flat out said he will take whatever help he can get, regardless of its source and has actively used his position to try to get dirt on his political opponent by blackmailing an ally. So I find it laughable to now when it comes to ensuring that people will be able to cast their vote in a time of medical emergency all of sudden election integrity is so important that people's lives should not be a consideration.

By the way, election fraud is a felony. Of all things to be put in jail that seems the dumbest. So fearing all of a sudden that enough people will engage in it to have a meaningful impact on the election is disingenuous

This thing has one purpose and one purpose only. To lower voter turnout. I would assert that if your goal in an election process is having as few people possible actually participating in the election process a free and fair election is very far from your mind.

Pelosi introduced the idea in her version of the Coronavirus stimulus of NOT allowing a SS# to be used as a form of identification to vote. At the same time, she and her constituents continually push for driver's licences for illegals. It is rather obvious which party is trying to commit fraud.

 

[Seawytch]

24% of the country votes by mail. 33 million votes in 2016. 3 states vote entirely by mail with California trying to be the 4th. Every state must allow no excuse Vote by Mail.

This shows the importance of not only Voter REGISTRATON but also voter VERIFICATION prior to voting and a system to keep track of a registered voter's votes (only 1 mail-in ballot/vote per)

You want to try that again in English?

If the country goes to an all 'Mail-In Ballot' election system due to COVID-19 (or whatever reason), the importance of verifying / certifying everyone who registers to vote (to ensure they exist, they are residents, they are still alive, they are registered in only 1 state) and keeping track of mail-in ballots (to ensure registered + verified / certified voters only vote ONCE) will be critical.

Yeah and? Mailing ballots to every registered voter helps clean up voting rolls. You mail it out and the voter has moved or died, the ballot comes back. Voter gets inactivated then cancelled if they dont reregister or vote in two Federal elections.

Once a ballot is cast, a voter cannot vote again no matter how many ballots they are mailed.

Election offices hire every election. Try it once. Aren't you in Fresno county? They are a Voter's Choice Act county...it'd be perfect.

 

[easyt65]

Yeah and? Mailing ballots to every registered voter helps clean up voting rolls. You mail it out and the voter has moved or died, the ballot comes back. Voter gets inactivated then cancelled if they don't reregister or vote in two Federal elections.

Sorry - doesn't work like that. Ever wonder how 'dead people' have voted in the past. If dead people can vote they can have a residence / mailing address. Out-of-state voters can have in-state mailboxes at post offices and have their mail forwarded to other locations. It is not as easy as you make it out to be, is my point.

Last year the district I am in did a sweep / canvas of voter registrations and found - amazingly, no - 15 registered voters were all claiming one address as their residence....for example.

 

[Seawytch]

Yeah and? Mailing ballots to every registered voter helps clean up voting rolls. You mail it out and the voter has moved or died, the ballot comes back. Voter gets inactivated then cancelled if they don't reregister or vote in two Federal elections.

Sorry - doesn't work like that. Ever wonder how 'dead people' have voted in the past. If dead people can vote they can have a residence / mailing address. Out-of-state voters can have in-state mailboxes at post offices and have their mail forwarded to other locations. It is not as easy as you make it out to be, is my point.

Last year the district I am in did a sweep / canvas of voter registrations and found - amazingly, no - 15 registered voters were all claiming one address as their residence....for example.

Election mail does not forward.

I've worked at a California Election Office for 15 years. Every election a "dead" person has voted. In every single one of those instances, either we mistakenly "killed off" the wrong John Smith or John Smith Jr signed the roster line or envelope of John Smith, Sr who had passed away.

So what if 15 people are registered at an address? Did you know that oversees voters use their last known US address? They dont have to live there anymore.

 

[easyt65]

So what if 15 people are registered at an address? Did you know that oversees voters use their last known US address? They dont have to live there anymore.

It matters when they are illegals or illegally registered to vote in a state. In this case it turned out to be Illegals who were using the address as a 'base of operations'. Some worked in another state 2 hours away and would make the trip each day or work there 5 days and come back for 2 days, etc... [BTW, they used a state drivers' license (given to illegals) to help register. ]

 

[Seawytch]

So what if 15 people are registered at an address? Did you know that oversees voters use their last known US address? They dont have to live there anymore.

It matters when they are illegals or illegally registered to vote in a state. In this case it turned out to be Illegals who were using the address as a 'base of operations'. Some worked in another state 2 hours away and would make the trip each day or work there 5 days and come back for 2 days, etc... [BTW, they used a state drivers' license (given to illegals) to help register. ]

So you're claiming, with no links to support your claim, that 15 non citizens were registered to vote at the address? Surely with something like that, you should be able to provide a link, yes?

 

[easyt65]

So you're claiming, with no links to support your claim, that 15 non citizens were registered to vote at the address? Surely with something like that, you should be able to provide a link, yes?

It was a small blurb in a smalltown newspaper at the same time the criminal Dem in Ga (I believe) locked the door and reused to hand over ballots...no one cared enough to make a big deal about it because 15 people claiming 1 residency was obvious and picked up on quickly. It never had an impact because it was dealt with quickly=. I was just pointing out the bigger point, which is those who want to cheat bad enough will find ways. you yourself have admitted 'dead people' voting has happened. PETS have even been found to vcast a vote or two.

In Obama's re-election, one black female poll monitor bragged on public TV that she had helped Obama win by voting for him multiple times. No surprise, she was arrested for voter fraud....the surprise was Holder showing up and charges being dropped.

Voter / Election fraud DOES happen. Anyone saying it never has, does not, and / or never will is a self-delusional naieve boob. Does it happen on a scale big enough to really matter - that's another issue.

 

[two_iron]

Voter ID laws are a solution in search of a problem. For example, in 2008 Al Frankin won the Senate election in Minnesota by about 225 votes. If there had been ANY voter fraud, don't you think that Republicans would have jumped on it?

2008 United States Senate election in Minnesota - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Probably not the best example to illustrate your twisted agenda. The election flipped after votes were "found" in the trunk of a car. And then your guy resigned in disgrace after photographic proof of his serial misogyny surfaced.

 

[easyt65]

Ouch!

 

[berg80]

Liberal Progressive Socialist Democrats (LPSDs) plan to use the COVID-19 pandemic to undermine Democracy by engineering new and engaging in voter fraud...according to RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel.


"After failing with their first left-wing laundry list disguised as coronavirus relief, Democratic leaders are already plotting their next attempt to use the pandemic for political gain.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and former Vice President Joe Biden say we must throw election integrity to the wayside in favor of an all-mail election, fundamentally changing how Americans vote in eight months. The overhaul would vastly expand opportunities for fraud and weaken confidence in our elections, but all Washington Democrats see is a potential benefit for their party.

Pelosi says she needs $4 billion, at the height of the pandemic, to "really 'democratize' our whole system.” Pardon those of us who thought we already had democratic elections."

RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel: Democrats' coronavirus voting plan – this is the way to undermine democracy

After failing with their first left-wing laundry list disguised as coronavirus relief, Democratic leaders are already plotting their next attempt to use the pandemic for political gain.

www.foxnews.com

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Really. The voter fraud bogeyman.........again?

How the Case for Voter Fraud Was Tested — and Utterly Failed

How the Case for Voter Fraud Was Tested — and Utterly Failed

From a new Supreme Court ruling to a census question about citizenship, the campaign against illegal registration is thriving. But when the top proponent was challenged in a Kansas courtroom to prove that such fraud is rampant, the claims went up in smoke.

www.propublica.org

 

[22lcidw]

Yeah and? Mailing ballots to every registered voter helps clean up voting rolls. You mail it out and the voter has moved or died, the ballot comes back. Voter gets inactivated then cancelled if they don't reregister or vote in two Federal elections.

Sorry - doesn't work like that. Ever wonder how 'dead people' have voted in the past. If dead people can vote they can have a residence / mailing address. Out-of-state voters can have in-state mailboxes at post offices and have their mail forwarded to other locations. It is not as easy as you make it out to be, is my point.

Last year the district I am in did a sweep / canvas of voter registrations and found - amazingly, no - 15 registered voters were all claiming one address as their residence....for example.

Election mail does not forward.

I've worked at a California Election Office for 15 years. Every election a "dead" person has voted. In every single one of those instances, either we mistakenly "killed off" the wrong John Smith or John Smith Jr signed the roster line or envelope of John Smith, Sr who had passed away.

So what if 15 people are registered at an address? Did you know that oversees voters use their last known US address? They dont have to live there anymore.

You are not trusted. Never again. People in any situation are slow to respond when people like yourself take over a nation. In this one we are still allowed to have guns. They have purchased many of them to warn you. But you are to giddy seeing 99% of the violence one way in your favor. All you had to do is lie low. You did not. You dance around like peacocks spreading your colorful feathers. We do not live in some future utopian world where everyone gets everything simply by pushing a button. Currently we are trying it. But our economy this way has a short lifespan. And it better restart when we need it to after this virus is dealt with. You don't cheat....bwhahaaaaaa!

 

[colfax_m]

The election flipped after votes were "found" in the trunk of a car.

That’s one of the zombie lies. You only say that because you were told to believe it, but it’s a lie.

 

[easyt65]

Really. The voter fraud bogeyman.........again?

No, voter fraud isn’t a myth: 10 cases where it’s all too real

As Donald Trump takes on the Republican establishment, Democrats and the mainstream media, he’s telling supporters they’re fighting against a “rigged” system, rife with voter fraud and those eager to protect the status quo. The left, predictably, says this type of talk is “dangerous” to the...

www.washingtontimes.com

Like I said, it happens - its documented. The real question is if it is done enough to actually matter / make a difference. When races come down to a couple of ballots, as we recently saw, it matters.

 

[berg80]

Like I said, it happens - its documented. The real question is if it is done enough to actually matter / make a difference. When races come down to a couple of ballots, as we recently saw, it matters.

Dire scenarios can always be manufactured to justify almost anything. Bottom line..........the US does not have a meaningful problem with voter fraud.

 

[easyt65]

Dire scenarios can always be manufactured to justify almost anything. Bottom line..........the US does not have a meaningful problem with voter fraud.

Agreed.....cases can be found - not necessarily manufactured, like the poll monitor who moronically admitted on camera to voting multiple times, but not necessarily A MEANINGFUL PROBLEM.

....so, shifting gears a little, why did Obama and his DHS attempt to hack several states' election systems in an attempt to prove it could be done and then exert executive control over all state election processes In the name of 'national / Election Security'?

Did the Obama administration have a legitimate concern that US election systems could be 'hacked'? Do YOU think they can be? The Obama administration tried numerous times and failed... Just legitimately curious as to whether you believe there was a legitimate threat / belief it could be done and / or still think its possible.

 

[forkup]

How is voting by mail, something that has been a possibility for over 20 years voter fraud? Trump has asked for an absentee ballot for Florida. So how do you make that leap?

As to fraud itself. What instance do you know of that involved fraudulent by mail voting?

I suggest you read the article or ask RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel herself since SHE is the one making the statement.

You are the one making statements on this board. You said that Democrats use COVID 19 as an excuse to commit voter fraud.

Anyway, I read the article. A few things. She's making some pretty big leaps without trying to prove any of them. I know of one instance of voter fraud by mail. It was done by a Republican incumbent. She alludes to other possible ways to commit fraud. The thing is she has no examples of it actually happening.

In 2016 33 million votes where cast by mail. No fraud was detected.

As to election integrity, it's the GOP that's been actively blocking legislation to ensure it. You have a president who has gone on camera and flat out said he will take whatever help he can get, regardless of its source and has actively used his position to try to get dirt on his political opponent by blackmailing an ally. So I find it laughable to now when it comes to ensuring that people will be able to cast their vote in a time of medical emergency all of sudden election integrity is so important that people's lives should not be a consideration.

By the way, election fraud is a felony. Of all things to be put in jail that seems the dumbest. So fearing all of a sudden that enough people will engage in it to have a meaningful impact on the election is disingenuous

This thing has one purpose and one purpose only. To lower voter turnout. I would assert that if your goal in an election process is having as few people possible actually participating in the election process a free and fair election is very far from your mind.

In 2016 33 million votes where cast by mail. No fraud was detected.

What were the detection and processes used to insure no fraud was committed? Who conducted the detection? Was the detection process conducted internally or by third parties? Was there a detection process during the election, post-election, or both?

Just saying fraud detection took place in 33 million mail ballots with no positive results is not sufficient; or, more than likely, the detection process was weak. A mail-in ballot has a lot of attributes or metadata that can and should be indexed real time and analyzed retrospectively. I for one would take a critical eye to that process.

There was an entire commission established by president Trump with the purpose of finding cases of voter fraud. So to your questions. I don't know, but I do know the people investigating it had a vested POLITICAL interest in finding it. A single case would have been a boon to Trump and yet none was found.

Again, just because a commission was set up and they would have been motivated to detect legitimate voter fraud, does not mean it was successful.

I am talking about the need for a process rooted in data science and transparency to mitigate risk of voter fraud in an all mail-in ballot.

I'm not against ensuring any election is safe. What I'm against is the idea as propagated by this OP that promoting mail-in ballots means you are propagating voter fraud. I'm against the idea as we see from the GOP that voting is a right that should be limited to as few people as possible.

Why have voter registration in the first place? Why have elections on a weekday when people have to work? Why rely on an electoral college? And in this instance, why be against voting by mail in a time when many thousands of people are at risk of death from an infectious disease?

Isn't the idea of "a government for the people by the people" that as many people as possible are allowed to participate?

 

[forkup]

Dire scenarios can always be manufactured to justify almost anything. Bottom line..........the US does not have a meaningful problem with voter fraud.

Agreed.....cases can be found - not necessarily manufactured, like the poll monitor who moronically admitted on camera to voting multiple times, but not necessarily A MEANINGFUL PROBLEM.

....so, shifting gears a little, why did Obama and his DHS attempt to hack several states' election systems in an attempt to prove it could be done and then exert executive control over all state election processes In the name of 'national / Election Security'?

Did the Obama administration have a legitimate concern that US election systems could be 'hacked'? Do YOU think they can be? The Obama administration tried numerous times and failed... Just legitimately curious as to whether you believe there was a legitimate threat / belief it could be done and / or still think its possible.

There's an entire industry dedicated to helping find vulnerabilities in the systems of companies I don't see how that should not be the case for the government. Is it possible past, present or future? Sure it is.

That is not however what this OP is about. It's about the idea that trying to get people to vote by mail constitutes propagating voter fraud. Your link or you for that matter have not even come close to establishing that.

 

[easyt65]

How is voting by mail, something that has been a possibility for over 20 years voter fraud? Trump has asked for an absentee ballot for Florida. So how do you make that leap?

As to fraud itself. What instance do you know of that involved fraudulent by mail voting?

I suggest you read the article or ask RNC Chairwoman Ronna McDaniel herself since SHE is the one making the statement.

You are the one making statements on this board. You said that Democrats use COVID 19 as an excuse to commit voter fraud.

Anyway, I read the article. A few things. She's making some pretty big leaps without trying to prove any of them. I know of one instance of voter fraud by mail. It was done by a Republican incumbent. She alludes to other possible ways to commit fraud. The thing is she has no examples of it actually happening.

In 2016 33 million votes where cast by mail. No fraud was detected.

As to election integrity, it's the GOP that's been actively blocking legislation to ensure it. You have a president who has gone on camera and flat out said he will take whatever help he can get, regardless of its source and has actively used his position to try to get dirt on his political opponent by blackmailing an ally. So I find it laughable to now when it comes to ensuring that people will be able to cast their vote in a time of medical emergency all of sudden election integrity is so important that people's lives should not be a consideration.

By the way, election fraud is a felony. Of all things to be put in jail that seems the dumbest. So fearing all of a sudden that enough people will engage in it to have a meaningful impact on the election is disingenuous

This thing has one purpose and one purpose only. To lower voter turnout. I would assert that if your goal in an election process is having as few people possible actually participating in the election process a free and fair election is very far from your mind.

In 2016 33 million votes where cast by mail. No fraud was detected.

What were the detection and processes used to insure no fraud was committed? Who conducted the detection? Was the detection process conducted internally or by third parties? Was there a detection process during the election, post-election, or both?

Just saying fraud detection took place in 33 million mail ballots with no positive results is not sufficient; or, more than likely, the detection process was weak. A mail-in ballot has a lot of attributes or metadata that can and should be indexed real time and analyzed retrospectively. I for one would take a critical eye to that process.

There was an entire commission established by president Trump with the purpose of finding cases of voter fraud. So to your questions. I don't know, but I do know the people investigating it had a vested POLITICAL interest in finding it. A single case would have been a boon to Trump and yet none was found.

Again, just because a commission was set up and they would have been motivated to detect legitimate voter fraud, does not mean it was successful.

I am talking about the need for a process rooted in data science and transparency to mitigate risk of voter fraud in an all mail-in ballot.

I'm not against ensuring any election is safe. What I'm against is the idea as propagated by this OP that promoting mail-in ballots means you are propagating voter fraud. I'm against the idea as we see from the GOP that voting is a right that should be limited to as few people as possible.

Why have voter registration in the first place? Why have elections on a weekday when people have to work? Why rely on an electoral college? And in this instance, why be against voting by mail in a time when many thousands of people are at risk of death from an infectious disease?

Isn't the idea of "a government for the people by the people" that as many people as possible are allowed to participate?

I agree with a lot of what you say, but the Electoral College is not the unfair boogeyman many try to claim it to be based on the fact that a candidate lost the presidency because they did not acquire the constitutionally required votes to do so.

The Electoral College is actually a brilliant plan designed by the Founding Fathers to ensure equal representation among the states....otherwise we could limit elections to California, Texas, New York, and Florida. The voice of the people in fly-over states would be completely ignored. The United States is comprised of 50 states, and the voices and concerns of citizens in all 50 states must be considered.