Nearly 13 years old the ACA has proven GOP dead wrong... again, again, and again.

[themirrorthief]

You don't have any idea of what your talking about.

obamacare shut down thousands of rural hospitals good job

 

[citygator]

Look where the sharpest rise in that graph is:

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2010 was the year Obamacare passed.

Contrast that with Obama's promised savings of $2500 per year if Obamacre passed.

The increase in the number of people insured is a function of Obamacare subsidies for people who did not choose to bear the expense of health insurance premiums prior to those subsidies. Those subsidies to be paid for by that sharp increase in premiums for those who do. That or simply printing money which depletes the value of the money people who were already paying premiums earn and save.

So in 2010 the healthy began paying for the sick, due to the requirement that insurance accept people with pre-existing conditions who had not insured themselves prior to the need for treatement At the same time, those already paying the high cost of their own insurance began being forced to pay for the high cost of other people's insurance as well.

None of that is a mystery. Again, Jonathan Gruber explained it very honestly.

You’re joking right? You highlighted a tiny insignificant move on that line. In slightly edged down and up less than half a percent. There is nothing there no matter how much you want it to be. Why hate on 20M insured Americans which has no impact to costs?

 

[2aguy]

Was it a lie? Absolutely. Did I and do I condemn him for it? I do.

Is it as bad as believing that Trump was going to make Mexico pay for the wall?

Do we really want to argue that? LOL

Trump would have made Mexico pay for the wall but the rinos and democrats fought him to build the wall in the first place...and he did fight to get that wall built..

 

[pknopp]

Trump would have made Mexico pay for the wall but the rinos and democrats fought him to build the wall in the first place...and he did fight to get that wall built..

All that and the fact he couldn't.

 

[2aguy]

All that and the fact he couldn't.

The rinos and the democrats stopped it......not Trump.

 

[pknopp]

The rinos and the democrats stopped it......not Trump.

Lol......that and the fact he couldn't. Lol

 

[Nostra]

Obamacare’s Five Broken Promises That Made Health Care Even Worse

Broken Promise #1 – You Can Keep Your Plan

• Up to 9.3 million people lost their coverage during the first open enrollment period.
• President Obama personally apologized for Americans losing health coverage.
• Politifact named “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,” the Lie of the Year for 2013.

Broken Promise #2 – You Can Keep Your Doctor

• As many as 214,000 doctors opted out of participating in Obamacare exchange plans.
• CNN declared President Obama’s claim that “You can keep your own doctor” false.
• Obamacare’s website revised and then dropped the section entitled, “Can I keep my own doctor?”

Broken Promise #3 – Your Premiums Will Go Down by $2,500

• Premiums increased by about 60% in the first four years.
• Insurance premium amounts varied in increase from $2,524 for an individual between the ages of 31 and 40 to $12,040 for a family headed by someone over age 60.

Broken Promise #4 – You’ll Have More Access to Care

• Hundreds of thousands of health care providers opted-out of Obamacare exchange plans.
• Studies show that instead of going to a doctor’s office for care, people continued to use emergency roomsfor non-emergencies.
• Over half of the of the uninsured in 2018 were eligible for financial assistance through Medicaid or marketplace subsidies but chose not to be covered.
• Access to insurance does not equate to having access to care.

Broken Promise #5 – Those With Pre-Existing Conditions Will Be Protected

• Obamacare did not protect patients from bankruptcy. Research from a left-leaning organization found no evidence Obamacare reduced the proportion of bankruptcies driven by medical debt.
• Obamacare did not protect patients from dying. A 2019 study found there was no reduction in mortality for those that participated in Obamacare, meaning that enrollment in Obamacare had the same impact as having other forms of coverage or no coverage at all.

The 5 Broken Promises of Obamacare - Texas Public Policy Foundation

Obamacare’s Five Broken Promises That Made Health Care Even Worse Broken Promise #1 - You Can Keep Your Plan Up to 9.3 million people lost their coverage during the first open enrollment period. President Obama personally apologized for Americans losing health coverage. Politifact named “If you...

www.texaspolicy.com

This is where the hack OP ignores every fact, debunks none of them, and whines about the source because it isn’t CNN, MSNBC, or the DNC.

 

[Nostra]

Obamacare was sold on a pack of lies

Obama administration lied when it pushed through Obamacare; you can't subsidize 30 million uninsured without someone paying something

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[2aguy]

Obamacare’s Five Broken Promises That Made Health Care Even Worse

Broken Promise #1 – You Can Keep Your Plan

• Up to 9.3 million people lost their coverage during the first open enrollment period.
• President Obama personally apologized for Americans losing health coverage.
• Politifact named “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,” the Lie of the Year for 2013.

Broken Promise #2 – You Can Keep Your Doctor

• As many as 214,000 doctors opted out of participating in Obamacare exchange plans.
• CNN declared President Obama’s claim that “You can keep your own doctor” false.
• Obamacare’s website revised and then dropped the section entitled, “Can I keep my own doctor?”

Broken Promise #3 – Your Premiums Will Go Down by $2,500

• Premiums increased by about 60% in the first four years.
• Insurance premium amounts varied in increase from $2,524 for an individual between the ages of 31 and 40 to $12,040 for a family headed by someone over age 60.

Broken Promise #4 – You’ll Have More Access to Care

• Hundreds of thousands of health care providers opted-out of Obamacare exchange plans.
• Studies show that instead of going to a doctor’s office for care, people continued to use emergency roomsfor non-emergencies.
• Over half of the of the uninsured in 2018 were eligible for financial assistance through Medicaid or marketplace subsidies but chose not to be covered.
• Access to insurance does not equate to having access to care.

Broken Promise #5 – Those With Pre-Existing Conditions Will Be Protected

• Obamacare did not protect patients from bankruptcy. Research from a left-leaning organization found no evidence Obamacare reduced the proportion of bankruptcies driven by medical debt.
• Obamacare did not protect patients from dying. A 2019 study found there was no reduction in mortality for those that participated in Obamacare, meaning that enrollment in Obamacare had the same impact as having other forms of coverage or no coverage at all.

The 5 Broken Promises of Obamacare - Texas Public Policy Foundation

Obamacare’s Five Broken Promises That Made Health Care Even Worse Broken Promise #1 - You Can Keep Your Plan Up to 9.3 million people lost their coverage during the first open enrollment period. President Obama personally apologized for Americans losing health coverage. Politifact named “If you...

www.texaspolicy.com

This is where the hack OP ignores every fact, debunks none of them, and whines about the source because it isn’t CNN, MSNBC, or the DNC.

Obamacare isn't healthcare....it is a massively expensive, catastrophic coverage plan.....if you have a horrible illness and have no other way to pay for it, you can take the out of pocket hit, and have it covered...for everything else? You really don't have insurance....

 

[Seymour Flops]

You’re joking right? You highlighted a tiny insignificant move on that line. In slightly edged down and up less than half a percent. There is nothing there no matter how much you want it to be. Why hate on 20M insured Americans which has no impact to costs?

It went up by well over a thousand dollars in the year following passage of Obamacare. For me it was a lot more, so I guess the people at the lower end experienced less increase.

It did impact on costs. Premiums as well as out of pocket is up since Obamacare. Where do you think the money is coming from to insure those 20M? The Tooth Fairy?

 

[pknopp]

Obamacare’s Five Broken Promises That Made Health Care Even Worse

Broken Promise #1 – You Can Keep Your Plan

• Up to 9.3 million people lost their coverage during the first open enrollment period.
• President Obama personally apologized for Americans losing health coverage.
• Politifact named “If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,” the Lie of the Year for 2013.

Broken Promise #2 – You Can Keep Your Doctor

• As many as 214,000 doctors opted out of participating in Obamacare exchange plans.
• CNN declared President Obama’s claim that “You can keep your own doctor” false.
• Obamacare’s website revised and then dropped the section entitled, “Can I keep my own doctor?”

Broken Promise #3 – Your Premiums Will Go Down by $2,500

• Premiums increased by about 60% in the first four years.
• Insurance premium amounts varied in increase from $2,524 for an individual between the ages of 31 and 40 to $12,040 for a family headed by someone over age 60.

Broken Promise #4 – You’ll Have More Access to Care

• Hundreds of thousands of health care providers opted-out of Obamacare exchange plans.
• Studies show that instead of going to a doctor’s office for care, people continued to use emergency roomsfor non-emergencies.
• Over half of the of the uninsured in 2018 were eligible for financial assistance through Medicaid or marketplace subsidies but chose not to be covered.
• Access to insurance does not equate to having access to care.

Broken Promise #5 – Those With Pre-Existing Conditions Will Be Protected

• Obamacare did not protect patients from bankruptcy. Research from a left-leaning organization found no evidence Obamacare reduced the proportion of bankruptcies driven by medical debt.
• Obamacare did not protect patients from dying. A 2019 study found there was no reduction in mortality for those that participated in Obamacare, meaning that enrollment in Obamacare had the same impact as having other forms of coverage or no coverage at all.

The 5 Broken Promises of Obamacare - Texas Public Policy Foundation

Obamacare’s Five Broken Promises That Made Health Care Even Worse Broken Promise #1 - You Can Keep Your Plan Up to 9.3 million people lost their coverage during the first open enrollment period. President Obama personally apologized for Americans losing health coverage. Politifact named “If you...

www.texaspolicy.com

This is where the hack OP ignores every fact, debunks none of them, and whines about the source because it isn’t CNN, MSNBC, or the DNC.

While I have already stated I didn't support Obamacare and the rest are correct, #5 was simply made up to make the list be 5.

 

[citygator]

It went up by well over a thousand dollars in the year following passage of Obamacare. For me it was a lot more, so I guess the people at the lower end experienced less increase.

It did impact on costs. Premiums as well as out of pocket is up since Obamacare. Where do you think the money is coming from to insure those 20M? The Tooth Fairy?

The $1,000 increase was in line with prior increases. It was not driven by Obamacare. Every year healthcare costs go up by an average amount, some more, some less. It’s not Obamacare’s impact.

Overall, health care spending continues to grow faster than the economy does. But the 2010s were a decade in which national health care spending grew more slowly than it has in the recent past. So health care accounted for 17.3% of GDP in 2010; 17.7% percent of GDP in 2018.

That increase of four-tenths of a percent is smaller than it has been in any previous eight-year period. Over previous eight-year periods, spending grew five times as fast. It coincides with a reduction in the number of Americans who are uninsured. That's gone from about 17% without insurance to about 8% today.

Average annual growth in Medicare spending per person has slowed significantly since the ACA was passed. That's simply because the ACA said we're going to pay doctors and hospitals and other health providers less. But what the ACA didn't do is slow the pace of spending increases by the private sector, which has been growing much faster than government spending programs. And that's partly because we've seen a lot of hospital mergers and other consolidations that allow these providers to raise prices. The private sector - private insurers, the employers - have to pay those higher prices. The government, because it sets prices, doesn't pay them.

 

[otto105]

Another leftist that still doesn’t understand the difference between healthcare and health insurance.

Neither want to reduce of control costs in your small mind?

Let’s start there

 

[otto105]

While I have already stated I didn't support Obamacare and the rest are correct, #5 was simply made up to make the list be 5.

Funny, I kept my healthcare provider of choice.


So…..

 

[pknopp]

Funny, I kept my healthcare provider of choice.


So…..

And many others couldn't. Obama wasn't speaking to you and you alone.

 

[miketx]

On March 23, 2010 Obama and a democratic House and Senate passed the ACA (Obamacare) 100% on party lines. Not one single Republican supported this plan. None. 58 Democratic Senators and 2 independents pushed the ACA through congress. The GOP issued doomsday warning of impending doom to our healthcare system. So where do we sit today?

• Zero increase in the out of pocket trend from ACA
• Zero increase in overall spending increase from ACA
• Historically low percentage of people uninsured
• Zero death panels are in place
• You can go to the doctor you want to go to

The GOP's dire warning regarding the Obamacare (ACA) have all ended up in the wasteland of unrealized fear mongering by people who only care about election, not service. Why would anyone support a group this wrong about everything? Tens of millions of lives improved with no corresponding economic downside.

OVERALL HEALTH CARE EXPENSES OVER TIME - Notice no change the to the trend line

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OUT OF POCKET SPENDING OVER TIME - Notice no change ot the trend line

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NUMBER OF UNINSURED AMERICANS - Notice all the lives positively impacted by legislation
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Sources

U.S. national health expenditure per capita 1960-2022 | Statista

Per capita national health expenditures in the United States have increased significantly since 1960.

www.statista.com

How Many Americans Are Uninsured?

Learn how many Americans are without health insurance. Explore the demographics of those who are uninsured, including variations by state, age, gender and race.

www.moneygeek.com

Out-of-pocket spending - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Country Comparison: Trend over time: By diagnosis: By race/ethnicity: By age: By sex: By insurance status: By health status: By amount, total population: Among people with large employer coverage, amount by setting: Among people with large employer coverage, distribution of cost-sharing by setting:

www.healthsystemtracker.org

More howler monkey lies.

 

[dblack]

On March 23, 2010 Obama and a democratic House and Senate passed the ACA (Obamacare) 100% on party lines. Not one single Republican supported this plan. None. 58 Democratic Senators and 2 independents pushed the ACA through congress. The GOP issued doomsday warning of impending doom to our healthcare system. So where do we sit today?

Right where the insurance companies want us. Funneling nearly every health care dollar through their system. Thanks Obama!

 

[Seymour Flops]

The $1,000 increase was in line with prior increases. It was not driven by Obamacare. Every year healthcare costs go up by an average amount, some more, some less. It’s not Obamacare’s impact.

Overall, health care spending continues to grow faster than the economy does. But the 2010s were a decade in which national health care spending grew more slowly than it has in the recent past. So health care accounted for 17.3% of GDP in 2010; 17.7% percent of GDP in 2018.

That increase of four-tenths of a percent is smaller than it has been in any previous eight-year period. Over previous eight-year periods, spending grew five times as fast. It coincides with a reduction in the number of Americans who are uninsured. That's gone from about 17% without insurance to about 8% today.

Average annual growth in Medicare spending per person has slowed significantly since the ACA was passed. That's simply because the ACA said we're going to pay doctors and hospitals and other health providers less. But what the ACA didn't do is slow the pace of spending increases by the private sector, which has been growing much faster than government spending programs. And that's partly because we've seen a lot of hospital mergers and other consolidations that allow these providers to raise prices. The private sector - private insurers, the employers - have to pay those higher prices. The government, because it sets prices, doesn't pay them.

You can gaslight all you want, but I'm not falling for your repeating of the lies any more than I fell for them when they were first told. The Architect of Obamacare told us that its purpose was to shift the cost burden of healthcare from the sick to the healthy. Get back to me when you can answer this with facts:

Where do you think the money is coming from to insure those 20M? The Tooth Fairy?

 

[pknopp]

You can gaslight all you want, but I'm not falling for your repeating of the lies any more than I fell for them when they were first told. The Architect of Obamacare told us that its purpose was to shift the cost burden of healthcare from the sick to the healthy. Get back to me when you can answer this with facts:

Where do you think the money is coming from to insure those 20M? The Tooth Fairy?

A country which is supposed to be the greatest country in the world should at the minimum make sure all it's people can affordably access health care when it is needed.

If that means we can't fight useless stupid waste of resources wars in other countries, so be it. If it means we have to address graft and corruption to pay for it, all the better.

 

[Nostra]

While I have already stated I didn't support Obamacare and the rest are correct, #5 was simply made up to make the list be 5.

All 5 are correct.