My son may have ADHD

Antidepressant Ban for Kids Puts Pressure On U.S. / Canada

he British government ban for use of all but one SSRI antidepressant drug in children and teens (Dec 10, 2003) is reverberating wherever these drugs are widely prescribed. The action was taken after an independent committee of experts examined the raw data from controlled clinical trials that had been conducted by these drugs' manufacturers. The evidence shows that contrary to the claims made by their promoters, SSRIs are neither effective against depression in children, nor safe. The hazards posed by SSRIs--of which the most serious is self-harm and aggression toward others--had been detected during company controlled clinical trials, but the hazards were concealed--even in published reports in academic journals. Thus, doctors who prescribed the drugs and patients and families for whom they have been prescribed were kept in the dark.
Neither the leading experts in psychiatry nor officials of the FDA (or equivalents in the UK) noticed these suicide findings. A British journalist not trained in science readily detected the problem and brought it to public attention.

* How do officials in the UK and US regulatory agencies explain their failure to protect children from hazardous drugs that are no more effective than placebo? * How do regulators explain their role in helping drug companies conceal the evidence by not even examining the efficacy and safety data from clinical trials submitted to them 7 years ago? * How do regulators explain their failure to read the published reports and to inform the public about findings of potential hazards? * How do regulators explain their failure to request long-term studies to ensure that these problematic drugs don't pose irreversible damage?

The regulatory agencies failed to examine the data even as a body of evidence accumulated from case reports of drug-induced adverse reactions. Only after the manufacturers sought to obtain a marketing license for depressed children did the British authority convene an expert panel to examine the raw data from previous pediatric trials. On Dec. 11, Health Canada announced it will review the data as well. See: www.cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/print.cgi?/2003/12/12/Consumers/ssri031212

A two part article in the Canadian Sterling News Service reports that warnings by the British authority in June, prompted Canadian doctors to ask serious questions and to re-examine the wisdom of prescribing antidepressant drugs for children, inasmuch as the evidence from clinical trials clearly shows that children may be helped equally by the placebo effect without the drug-related risks.

For example, Dr. Jane Garland, director of the mood disorders clinic at British Columbia Children's Hospital, and one of the investigators who tested SSRIs in clinical trials, put it this way: "As physicians, we want to be helpful, but we often suffer individually and collectively from a pharmacological imperative: If we have a drug, we feel compelled to prescribe it." Dr. Garland acknowledges, "We suffer from excessive therapeutic optimism."

But a re-examination of the data led her to conclude: "If it were ethical, placebo treatment would be the recommended first step. Alternatively, supplements such as omega-3 fatty acids could be plausible and inexpensive 'active' placebos."

Antidepressant Ban for Kids Puts Pressure On U.S. / Canada
 
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id-eots conflates the facts that (a) sometimes kids get over-prescribed meds and (b) even get prescribed meds for the wrong reason WITH the notion that there is no such thing as ADD or ADHD.

id-eots is a simpleton. No. He's and id-eot.

the facts are liarability is there is no proof of an illness called ADHD..it is completely based on the subjective judgement of rather vague behavior
such as


A child with ADHD might:

have a hard time paying attention
daydream a lot
not seem to listen
be easily distracted from schoolwork or play
forget things
be in constant motion or unable to stay seated
squirm or fidget
talk too much
not be able to play quietly
act and speak without thinking
have trouble taking turns
interrupt others

CDC - ADHD, Facts - NCBDDD


The fact is that drug companies have on many occasions been found criminal responsible for falsifying studies and with holding harmful effects of drugs and promoting there use in children and have paid billions in damages



Your contention is not a fact.

You don't even have the ability to define the terms you use, id-eot.
 
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id-eots conflates the facts that (a) sometimes kids get over-prescribed meds and (b) even get prescribed meds for the wrong reason WITH the notion that there is no such thing as ADD or ADHD.

id-eots is a simpleton. No. He's and id-eot.

the facts are liarability is there is no proof of an illness called ADHD..it is completely based on the subjective judgement of rather vague behavior
such as


A child with ADHD might:

have a hard time paying attention
daydream a lot
not seem to listen
be easily distracted from schoolwork or play
forget things
be in constant motion or unable to stay seated
squirm or fidget
talk too much
not be able to play quietly
act and speak without thinking
have trouble taking turns
interrupt others

CDC - ADHD, Facts - NCBDDD


The fact is that drug companies have on many occasions been found criminal responsible for falsifying studies and with holding harmful effects of drugs and promoting there use in children and have paid billions in damages



Your contention is not a fact.

You don't even have the ability to define the terms you use, id-eot.


blah blah blah huh what...lol...everything I posted and stated is a fact
 
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the facts are liarability is there is no proof of an illness called ADHD..it is completely based on the subjective judgement of rather vague behavior
such as


A child with ADHD might:

have a hard time paying attention
daydream a lot
not seem to listen
be easily distracted from schoolwork or play
forget things
be in constant motion or unable to stay seated
squirm or fidget
talk too much
not be able to play quietly
act and speak without thinking
have trouble taking turns
interrupt others

CDC - ADHD, Facts - NCBDDD


The fact is that drug companies have on many occasions been found criminal responsible for falsifying studies and with holding harmful effects of drugs and promoting there use in children and have paid billions in damages

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHolKz6SZDs

Your contention is not a fact.

You don't even have the ability to define the terms you use, id-eot.

blah blah blah huh what...lol...everything I posted and stated is a fact

Nope. Your opinions, no matter how firmly you hold them and believe them do not qualify as facts.
 
FACT...There is no valid diagnostic test for ADHD

FACT..ADHD is diagnosed by a subjective observation and judgement of behaviorism which are

have a hard time paying attention
daydream a lot
not seem to listen
be easily distracted from schoolwork or play
forget things
be in constant motion or unable to stay seated
squirm or fidget
talk too much
not be able to play quietly
act and speak without thinking
have trouble taking turns
interrupt others


FACT..Drug companies have a long history of knowingly falsifying studies and withholding studies of drug dangers and ineffectiveness of psych drugs while promoting their use in children and have paid out billions in damages
 
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FACT...There is no valid diagnostic test for ADHD

FACT..ADHD is diagnosed by a subjective observation and judgement of behaviorism which are

have a hard time paying attention
daydream a lot
not seem to listen
be easily distracted from schoolwork or play
forget things
be in constant motion or unable to stay seated
squirm or fidget
talk too much
not be able to play quietly
act and speak without thinking
have trouble taking turns
interrupt others

So to you these behaviors in young boys are normal?:confused:
 
FACT...There is no valid diagnostic test for ADHD

FACT..ADHD is diagnosed by a subjective observation and judgement of behaviorism which are

have a hard time paying attention
daydream a lot
not seem to listen
be easily distracted from schoolwork or play
forget things
be in constant motion or unable to stay seated
squirm or fidget
talk too much
not be able to play quietly
act and speak without thinking
have trouble taking turns
interrupt others


FACT..Drug companies have a long history of knowingly falsifying studies and withholding studies of drug dangers and ineffectiveness of drugs while promoting their use in children and have paid out billions in damges

There ARE diagnostic tests for ADHD. Whether or not they are "valid" is your mere opinion.

Many of the behaviors on the list are not even remotely "subjective." They (like much of science) are things which can be identified , usually by a parent who knows the child pretty ******* well. (Try to do some basic research on "scientific method" and note the importance of "observation," you ******* id-eot)

And, while it is true (and thus a factoid) that SOME drug companies engage in shitty behavior, that little factoid has nothing to do with the argument you present, you complete ******* id-eot.
 
My ex girlfriends son had ADHD, he was disruptive in class, hyper active, would get anxious in certain situations and just could not pay attention. So if ADHD doesn't exist, her son was perfectly normal? boys are supposed to act like this?

You did. All boys did. We are figidy creatures where girls are not. You can not judge both boys and girls the same way we are not the same. It is more then just our genitals that are different.
 
FACT...There is no valid diagnostic test for ADHD

FACT..ADHD is diagnosed by a subjective observation and judgement of behaviorism which are

have a hard time paying attention
daydream a lot
not seem to listen
be easily distracted from schoolwork or play
forget things
be in constant motion or unable to stay seated
squirm or fidget
talk too much
not be able to play quietly
act and speak without thinking
have trouble taking turns
interrupt others

So to you these behaviors in young boys are normal?:confused:

yes they are basically normal behavior for all young creatures from puppies to children..and the outrageous epidemic level of ADHD diagnosis only serves to hi-lite that fact
 
FACT...There is no valid diagnostic test for ADHD

FACT..ADHD is diagnosed by a subjective observation and judgement of behaviorism which are

have a hard time paying attention
daydream a lot
not seem to listen
be easily distracted from schoolwork or play
forget things
be in constant motion or unable to stay seated
squirm or fidget
talk too much
not be able to play quietly
act and speak without thinking
have trouble taking turns
interrupt others

So to you these behaviors in young boys are normal?:confused:

yes they are basically normal behavior for all young creatures from puppies to children..and the outrageous epidemic level of ADHD diagnosis only serves to hi-lite that fact

Hmm I don't know about that, I've seen plenty of children who don't behave that way. My ex girlfriends son was one of the few kids in his class who behaved that way and stopped other children from learning, if all kids acted like this elementary schools would be like looney bins.
 
My ex girlfriends son had ADHD, he was disruptive in class, hyper active, would get anxious in certain situations and just could not pay attention. So if ADHD doesn't exist, her son was perfectly normal? boys are supposed to act like this?

You did. All boys did. We are figidy creatures where girls are not. You can not judge both boys and girls the same way we are not the same. It is more then just our genitals that are different.

I was disruptive in class as a young boy? I used to get awards for being well behaved.:confused:
 
There is a huge range of *normal* behavior among kids that age. Particularly boys. Huge. And a lot of behavior is linked directly to how well behaviors are handled...if a mom isn't good about providing positive, energy burning activities for her son, if she isn't able to pay close attention to him and carefully guide him, and head off problems as they pop up, then the chances of him developing all sorts of odd and disenchanting behaviors increase.

I have a boy who jumps constantly. He bounces. He climbs. He's 9 years old, and I still have to tell him 100x a day not to jump into the armchair, not to climb over the couch, not to stand on the dining room booth, not to jump up and down while listening to directives or watching television or playing a game.

That behavior is a really obvious, really difficult one to deal with because it draws the attention of people Teachers get irritated, family members are aghast. If I took even that one behavior, and coupled it with a couple other behaviors and presented them to a doctor, I'd get a scrip right there on the spot.

But here's the thing...his brain, though different from yours or mine, doesn't need to be doped. That's not going to cure his jitters. It's just going to mask it...and perhaps result in something worse, down the road.

I'm exhausted and have been since these kids were born. Between physically managing him, and dealing with my daughter's weird little issues (which cause all sorts of difficulties...but which are ALSO are her strongest character attributes), trust me, I'd LOVE to give everyone a dose of something so we could maybe sleep for a week.

But I'm not going to. Because I want them to be successful, and I am convinced that the way to success for difficult children is to teach them to navigate life by making the most of what they have, and learning, by trial and error, to control negative impulses..ON THEIR OWN.

Also nervous systems mature at different rates. My son is 9 but his ability to control the impulse to jump and bounce, for whatever reason, is probably at about age 6. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with him. It is part of what makes him unique. We cope with it...and all those coping strategies will come in very handy when he hits adolescence and hormones start to rage and his impulses take him somewhere else.

There is no "normal" for kids, I think is what people need to get through their heads. And *normal* for boys can be all over the charts, and looks vastly different than *normal* for girls...and we need to get away from the mindset, a holdover from the 19th century, that little boys who don't *behave* should be drugged.
 
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FACT...There is no valid diagnostic test for ADHD

FACT..ADHD is diagnosed by a subjective observation and judgement of behaviorism which are

have a hard time paying attention
daydream a lot
not seem to listen
be easily distracted from schoolwork or play
forget things
be in constant motion or unable to stay seated
squirm or fidget
talk too much
not be able to play quietly
act and speak without thinking
have trouble taking turns
interrupt others


FACT..Drug companies have a long history of knowingly falsifying studies and withholding studies of drug dangers and ineffectiveness of drugs while promoting their use in children and have paid out billions in damges

There ARE diagnostic tests for ADHD. Whether or not they are "valid" is your mere opinion.


sorry clown but there is not one single test that is considered valid and no professional in the field that makes that claim

Many of the behaviors on the list are not even remotely "subjective." They (like much of science) are things which can be identified

talks too much is not subjective
?...seems to daydream is not subjective ?..list one so called symptom listed in the DSM for ADHD that is not subjective



, usually by a parent who knows the child pretty ******* well. (Try to do some basic research on "scientific method" and note the importance of "observation," you ******* id-eot)

lol...you have violated every rule of scientific method ...


And, while it is true (and thus a factoid) that SOME drug companies engage in shitty behavior, that little factoid has nothing to do with the argument you present, you complete ******* id-eot

it is when people say things like ..the FDA would do something...or drug studies say and government web sites say..or its a conspiracy theory that drug companies promote the drugging of children based on knowingly false information
 
id-eots, I am sorry you're an assclown, too.

You don't even know what a fact is. When challenged you waffle.

Is your name (irl) John Fuckin' Kerry by any chance?
 
My ex girlfriends son had ADHD, he was disruptive in class, hyper active, would get anxious in certain situations and just could not pay attention. So if ADHD doesn't exist, her son was perfectly normal? boys are supposed to act like this?

You did. All boys did. We are figidy creatures where girls are not. You can not judge both boys and girls the same way we are not the same. It is more then just our genitals that are different.

I was disruptive in class as a young boy? I used to get awards for being well behaved.:confused:

so you where singled out and therefore ..out of the norm..correct
 
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id-eots, I am sorry you're an assclown, too.

You don't even know what a fact is. When challenged you waffle.

Is your name (irl) John Fuckin' Kerry by any chance?

lol you challenged nothing you make dumb meaningless statements like this
all strawman..or you post some silly picture..your a complete joke
 
id-eots, I am sorry you're an assclown, too.

You don't even know what a fact is. When challenged you waffle.

Is your name (irl) John Fuckin' Kerry by any chance?

lol you challenged nothing you make dumb meaningless statements like this
all strawman..or you post some silly picture..your a complete joke

I challenged your empty and meaningless spew. I even refuted it.

You, of course, don't have the man sack to admit when you're proved to be wrong, as you were, you hapless id-eot.

Hurry up and post an important YouTube to "prove" how right you imagine you are, you pathetic joke assclown hack ************.

With all due respect,

your pal,

Liability.
 
id-eots, I am sorry you're an assclown, too.

You don't even know what a fact is. When challenged you waffle.

Is your name (irl) John Fuckin' Kerry by any chance?

lol you challenged nothing you make dumb meaningless statements like this
all strawman..or you post some silly picture..your a complete joke

I challenged your empty and meaningless spew. I even refuted it.

I really must of missed that part care to link to it ?

You, of course, don't have the man sack to admit when you're proved to be wrong, as you were, you hapless id-eot.

proven wrong about what exactly ?


Hurry up and post an important YouTube to "prove" how right you imagine you are, you pathetic joke assclown hack ************.

With all due respect,

your pal,

Liability
what a sore loser...
 
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