"Mummy my tummy hurts" - How guns keep you safe.

[Issa]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?

One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.

Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.

Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?

one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?

Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.

No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of gu

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And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...

I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.1–3 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,4–10; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12

Rural Versus Urban Hospitalizations for Firearm Injuries in Children and Adolescents

In this study, we compare rates of hospitalizations for firearm injuries in children and adolescents between rural and urban areas of the United States.

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See.......that link you have is bullshit....do you know why it is bullshit....?

This little bit right here....

fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.

At what point is a 15 year old gang member a regular child?

At what point is a 17,18,19 year old considered a "Child?"


They use the <20 because so few actual children die from accidental and gun murder....they have to use "under 20" so they can roll in the 15 year old gang members who are shooting each other on the orders of their gangs as part of that number.....you dumb asshole......

What is it with you gun grabbers...you always have to lie to push your agenda....

From Wisqars...the actual CDC data for children <1 to 14...I use this age range to exclude 15 year old gang members...of course, there are younger gang members shooting people, but this is a good start...

Out of 72 million children in the U.S....how many actual innocent children are murdered with guns?

For 2019....

269...

So tell us.....doofus....how does 269 out of 72 million children make guns a leading cause of death...?

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Then we have accidental gun deaths of children by gun.....

51.

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Again...how does 51 accidental gun deaths out of 72 million equal a leading cause of death...

You anti-gunners lie every time you post data because the actual data doesn't support anything you believe...

100 children a year die on their bicycles.........51 from gun accidents....

300 children die drowning......51 from gun accidents...

You are an idiot....

Lol thr whole entire US and thr world know that we have a gun issue, we thr ones that lived outside and the US tell you that, stats tell you that, the daily news tell you that but you are still in denial.

Just this past week along multiple mass shootings and dead people, criminals or not. Way too many dead people. .

You don't know what you are talking about...our issue isn't guns....since our gun murder rate went down 49% and our gun crime rate went down 75% as more Americans bought, owned and carried guns...

What you assholes don't understand is that the democrat party and it's policies drive our gun murder rate...the democrat party judges and prosecutors keep releasing violent gun offenders.....you idiot.

You don't know better. You are accustomed to fear, guns, paranoia you have 0 clue about how safe it is without the culture of gun it is in most countries. Dude kids in preschools have to do drills about an active shooter And you blaming the democrats ? Seriously?

Funny how the murder rate in the county I live has been ZERO for the past 10 years.

And like I said you have a 99.997% chance of NOT being murdered by a person using a gun if that .003% chance scares you then you really have a problem

Since I remember us overseas always shook our heads in disbelief about the amount of gun violence fast forward still the same tragedy...and we always said "they are idiots out there they still think is the wild wide west" I guess that saying is true and you don't care as long as its far from where you live.

I really don't care what other countries or the people who live in other countries think about the US.

And people in other countries don't seem to realize the wild west wasn't so wild and that most Americans have only ever seen a cowboy on a TV or movie screen.

And I'll admit that I really don't care about the crime in other places because unlike you I;m honest about it.

People that own guns legally are not the problem

I agree gun owners are not the problem, unless if there is a road rage, family, dispute, neighbour dispute, work dispute, school shootings and so much more. Most countries people don't get killed as easy because there are no guns or is super hard to get one.

1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop rapes, robberies and murders.

In other countries, those victims just have to sit there and endure the rapes, robberies and murders.....

10,235 gun murders in U.S. in 2019.

0ver 70-80% of our gun murder victims aren't normal Americans...they are criminals engaged in criminal activity, in democrat party controlled cities and voting districts.

Of the rest of the victims, the majority are friends and family of the criminals who are hit when their criminal friend or family member is targeted for murder, in democrat party cities and voting districts.

So we don't have a gun problem, we have a criminal problem.

1.1 million rapes, robberies and murders are avoided with guns........... versus 10,235 gun murders, the majority of which are criminals......

If you aren't a criminal...

If you aren't the friend, family member or associate of a criminal

If you don't live with that criminal in a democrat party controlled city or voting district

Then the odds of you ever experiencing gun crime or murder are smaller than in Europe.....

We have lots of guns in MAGA states and cities...we just don't use them to commit murder or crime.

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
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A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
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In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/

Pohahahaha
Keep convincing yourself.
With guns America has one of the highest rates of rape, theft, homicides, mass shootings.
You are numb to it all because you've lived in a Hostile aggressive culture, you don't know better.
9 lives were easily taken because even the weakest MOFO out there can kill as many as he wishes. It doesn't happen in most countries simply because people can't obtain guns.

Keep the body count.

 

[JoeB131]

you have no real rights your government can take any perceived right you think you have away with a simple vote.

Yes, they can.

What's your point?

There are no rights, only privileges the rest of society has agreed you should have. Any fool who thinks he has rights needs to look up "Japanese Americans, 1942."

The question is, should Americans have the privilege of owning guns. For the small minority of Americans who are gun owners, the majority of us who have no desire to own a gun have to put up with quite a lot. Active Shooter Drills, Security Guards, Magnetic lock doors, etc. We tolerate 40,000 gun deaths and 70,000 gun injuries and 217 Billion a year in economic losses due to gun violence.

Is it worth it?

You see, as much shit as I give the Gun Fetishists here, I don't think there should be a total ban on private gun ownership. I do think it should be a lot harder to get a gun and a lot easier to take one away from you if you abuse the privilege. If 2AGuy is a responsible gun owner like he says, he shouldn't object to thorough background checks, red flag laws or anything else to keep guns out of the hands of the Adam Lanzas of the world. And, no, there's no reason why any civilian should have a military-grade assault rifle.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There are no rights, only privileges the rest of society has agreed you should have. Any fool who thinks he has rights needs to look up "Japanese Americans, 1942."

The question is, should Americans have the privilege of owning guns. For the small minority of Americans who are gun owners, the majority of us who have no desire to own a gun have to put up with quite a lot. Active Shooter Drills, Security Guards, Magnetic lock doors, etc. We tolerate 40,000 gun deaths and 70,000 gun injuries and 217 Billion a year in economic losses due to gun violence.

Is it worth it?

You see, as much shit as I give the Gun Fetishists here, I don't think there should be a total ban on private gun ownership. I do think it should be a lot harder to get a gun and a lot easier to take one away from you if you abuse the privilege. If 2AGuy is a responsible gun owner like he says, he shouldn't object to thorough background checks, red flag laws or anything else to keep guns out of the hands of the Adam Lanzas of the world. And, no, there's no reason why any civilian should have a military-grade assault rifle.

Of course Americans have rights. They are listed in the US Constitution, bearing arms being one of them.

As far as rights go, liberals decide what rights are even though never written anywhere. They think marriage is a right. Where is that written, the same place gay marriage is? They say they have a right not to have any religion in their public school. Again, nowhere is that right written. Some say healthcare is a right. Okay, where is that jotted down at? But when we on the right talk about real rights that are actually written, now you claim we have no rights, only privileges.

217 billion in economic losses? I never paid a dime into any of those. Have you? Who suffers these supposed losses and what are those losses specifically?

You want to make it harder to get a firearm, fine with me. Let's trade. We'll make it more difficult to vote, and I'll jump on board with making it more difficult to obtain a firearm. Deal? By more difficult to vote, that means everybody getting a Voter-ID. Everybody needs to vote in person on election day only, regardless how long it takes you. The only exceptions will be those out of town like our military, those who are not physically capable of voting in person or standing in line, those who have psychological disorders like being in large crowds, those who's work schedule doesn't give them enough time to vote in person. Other than that, everybody must vote in person.

I mean if we're going to make exercising our rights more difficult, it can't be limited to only one Amendment.

 

[JoeB131]

Of course Americans have rights. They are listed in the US Constitution, bearing arms being one of them.

Nope. Writing on a piece of paper doesn't give you rights.

Let's say a majority suddenly realizes, "Hey, that Second Amendment was about militias, not gun ownership", and that becomes the interpretation. Then, enforcing a well-regulated militia, they just collect all the guns and if they have to put a few of you in the ground, they can say what you guys normally say when a cop plugs a black child playing with a toy.

As far as rights go, liberals decide what rights are even though never written anywhere. They think marriage is a right. Where is that written, the same place gay marriage is? They say they have a right not to have any religion in their public school. Again, nowhere is that right written.

Actually, that's very clearly written in the first Amendment in the establishment clause.

217 billion in economic losses? I never paid a dime into any of those. Have you? Who suffers these supposed losses and what are those losses specifically?

Well, you probably do in paying higher insurance premiums for that slum you live in, buddy.

 

[Resnic]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

No.

Shame on mom for displaying that kind of reaction infront of her child.

But shame on the person who shot them because he got a middle finger.

But really? One person gets the bird and the other gets their child murdered and all you can do is blame the mom? You're basically saying "you deserve to get your child shot in front of you because you were rude". You're the hand waving ***** kind that ruins this country by blaming someone for the death of their son by flipping the bird, or blame the police because they shot a criminal committing a crime and resisting arrest and brandishing a weapon at the cops. Always making excuses for the criminals.

You're the one who should RIP, right next to that dead kid.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Nope. Writing on a piece of paper doesn't give you rights.

Let's say a majority suddenly realizes, "Hey, that Second Amendment was about militias, not gun ownership", and that becomes the interpretation. Then, enforcing a well-regulated militia, they just collect all the guns and if they have to put a few of you in the ground, they can say what you guys normally say when a cop plugs a black child playing with a toy.

Yes, the writings on a piece of paper does give me rights when it's passed through the legislative process as our Constitution was.

It doesn't matter "what people say" what matters is how our courts interpret what the words mean, which in this case is that every American is entitled to the right to bear arms. They base their decision on the historical arguments about each amendment. The US Constitution is not a living document. It's written in stone.

Actually, that's very clearly written in the first Amendment in the establishment clause.

No. Marriage was never mentioned in the Constitution. Neither was the prohibition of Religion, God, or Jesus in schools.

Well, you probably do in paying higher insurance premiums for that slum you live in, buddy.

I'm paying higher insurance premiums because of blacks that live here now, which is why (as you stated yourself) makes it a slum. They and government made it a slum--not guns.

 

[2aguy]

1.1 million times a year safe.....according to the Centers for Disease Control...

Don't worry tommy....London is already unsafe for women and girls and the 3rd world gangs are getting all the guns they want....

A few years ago London had a higher murder rate than NYC. They did so with knives. Knives are illegal to carry in London, but as expected, that didn't bother the criminals. What they ended up with was an armed criminal element, and a disarmed society. Now they think that's a great idea for us to do here, only with guns.

In the 1960s our criminals transitioned from knives to guns.......Britain, now has the same issue...their criminals are transitioning from knives and swords to guns...as their new, 3rd world drug gangs ramp up the violence...

You have been spouting the same shit in the 5 years I have been on this board. Its always tomorrow isnt it ? When can I expect our murder rates to match those ? When can I expect them to be half of yours ? When will all of Europe reach parity with the US ? When will Australia and New Zealand get as bad as the US ?

You have a weak case but you persist with it regardless . You are a ******* clown.

Your drug gangs are importing guns......they do not fear your police....

Diana Fawcett, the charity's chief executive, told Sky News: "At a time when the number of homicides has been falling, deaths related to gun crime are showing significant increases which is incredibly concerning.More than 600 children in the UK were arrested for suspected firearm offences last year amid the coronavirus pandemic, new figures reveal.
A Sky News investigation has found children as young as 11 were among more than 2,000 youths detained for alleged crimes involving guns, imitation firearms and air weapons between 2018 and January 2021.
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Simeon Moore, who carried a gun aged 15 when he was a member of a notorious Birmingham gang, said young people arming themselves often believe they are doing "the right thing".
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"From knives, we started to carry guns. For me, at the time it was a means of protection.
"I was walking around and at any point I could get beat up, stabbed or have my head blown off.
Hundreds of children arrested for suspected gun crimes during COVID pandemic
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The number of shootings in London is on the rise, despite the capital being in lockdown for significant parts of last year.

Scotland Yard figures reveal 288 incidents in 2020 where a lethal firearm was discharged, compared with 266 shooting incidents the year before.
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The second call of the day brought into sharp focus the concerns police have around the number of criminals apparently now willing to carry firearms.
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The officer said criminal gangs were increasingly targeting vehicles for the small amounts of precious metals in the catalytic converters.

"It is only worth a few hundred pounds to them, but for that, the criminal gangs are willing to threaten lethal force."

Shootings in London on the rise despite lockdown, police reveal

Sharp rise in knife and gun attacks outside London as austerity bites

Across the West Midlands, violent crime has become unnervingly common. Despite knife crime in the capital making the headlines, it has risen by 103% since 2014 in this region compared with 48% in London, with 14 knife crimes a day so far this year often targeting children of school age. Meanwhile, gun crime is up by a third in the West Midlands,

and murder, GBH and other violent crimes increased by 17% in the last year alone. In London, the rises were about 10% and 6% year-on-year, respectively.
The gangs and violence commission report found “crucial links” between the black market for illicit substances and serious violence, and much of the rising violence is blamed locally on disputes between gangs, many of whom deal drugs, increasingly being settled with guns and knives.
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Liverpool gangs 'dominate' gun and drugs trade outside London


Organised criminal gangs from Liverpool have risen to the summit of the UK underworld and “dominate” the firearms and drugs-trade outside London, the latest intelligence from senior officers at the National Crime Agency (NCA) reveals.
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Analysis of encrypted messages from a communications system used by criminals has shown that the city has become the preeminent location for top-tier gangs sourcing high-volume importations of drugs and automatic weapons.
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Analysis by the NFTC found that Merseyside and the broader north-west corridor was home to a network of gun factories converting low-calibre weapons such as the Czech-made Škorpion and Slovakian Grand Power into deadly automatic firearms.

Perfect said that converting weapons was seen by some in the region as a viable business.

A low-calibre Glock handgun bought for £135 in eastern Europe could be converted in just 90 seconds to a 9mm weapon that could be sold for up to £5,000.
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nalysis of the intelligence from EncroChat has revealed other surprises to firearms officers. Perfect said:

“If you’d asked me before Venetic what was the firearm of choice for an organised crime group, I’d have absolutely said the Glock handgun. Venetic showed that the Škorpion SMG and the Grand Power are now becoming that weapon of choice.”
Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK


Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.


Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
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Two shot dead on London's streets amid warnings 'fluid supply' of guns is increasingly difficult to control

The violence came as police warned that the “fluid supply” of gunswas becoming increasingly difficult to control, with gangs using new and innovative ways of smuggling them past border defences.
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Simon Brough, head of firearms at the National Crime Agency (NCA), also warned that the “sheer volume” of firearms coming into the UK represented a “pernicious threat” that urgently needed to be addressed.

“The scale is really challenging, he told the Telegraph. “We are doing everything we can but criminals are operating in a lucrative business where they can be increasingly innovative and operate in a highly effective way.”


Last week, an Irish man found with 60 firearms in his car in Dover, en route from Calais, admitted gun smuggling.

Robert Keogh, 37, was stopped on August 2 by Border Force officers who found the weapons concealed deep inside the vehicle’s bumper and both rear quarter panels.

The number of shootings has been on the rise since 2013 and has in part being linked to the 2,000 drug supply chains identified as part of the country lines network.

Mr Brough said hand guns were being smuggled through eastern Europe, across nexus points in Belgium and the Netherlands and then onwards into the UK.

 

[Blues Man]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?

One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.

Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.

Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?

one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?

Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.

No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of gu

www.politifact.com

And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...

I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.1–3 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,4–10; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12

Rural Versus Urban Hospitalizations for Firearm Injuries in Children and Adolescents

In this study, we compare rates of hospitalizations for firearm injuries in children and adolescents between rural and urban areas of the United States.

pediatrics.aappublications.org

See.......that link you have is bullshit....do you know why it is bullshit....?

This little bit right here....

fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.

At what point is a 15 year old gang member a regular child?

At what point is a 17,18,19 year old considered a "Child?"


They use the <20 because so few actual children die from accidental and gun murder....they have to use "under 20" so they can roll in the 15 year old gang members who are shooting each other on the orders of their gangs as part of that number.....you dumb asshole......

What is it with you gun grabbers...you always have to lie to push your agenda....

From Wisqars...the actual CDC data for children <1 to 14...I use this age range to exclude 15 year old gang members...of course, there are younger gang members shooting people, but this is a good start...

Out of 72 million children in the U.S....how many actual innocent children are murdered with guns?

For 2019....

269...

So tell us.....doofus....how does 269 out of 72 million children make guns a leading cause of death...?

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Then we have accidental gun deaths of children by gun.....

51.

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Again...how does 51 accidental gun deaths out of 72 million equal a leading cause of death...

You anti-gunners lie every time you post data because the actual data doesn't support anything you believe...

100 children a year die on their bicycles.........51 from gun accidents....

300 children die drowning......51 from gun accidents...

You are an idiot....

Lol thr whole entire US and thr world know that we have a gun issue, we thr ones that lived outside and the US tell you that, stats tell you that, the daily news tell you that but you are still in denial.

Just this past week along multiple mass shootings and dead people, criminals or not. Way too many dead people. .

You don't know what you are talking about...our issue isn't guns....since our gun murder rate went down 49% and our gun crime rate went down 75% as more Americans bought, owned and carried guns...

What you assholes don't understand is that the democrat party and it's policies drive our gun murder rate...the democrat party judges and prosecutors keep releasing violent gun offenders.....you idiot.

You don't know better. You are accustomed to fear, guns, paranoia you have 0 clue about how safe it is without the culture of gun it is in most countries. Dude kids in preschools have to do drills about an active shooter And you blaming the democrats ? Seriously?

Funny how the murder rate in the county I live has been ZERO for the past 10 years.

And like I said you have a 99.997% chance of NOT being murdered by a person using a gun if that .003% chance scares you then you really have a problem

Since I remember us overseas always shook our heads in disbelief about the amount of gun violence fast forward still the same tragedy...and we always said "they are idiots out there they still think is the wild wide west" I guess that saying is true and you don't care as long as its far from where you live.

I really don't care what other countries or the people who live in other countries think about the US.

And people in other countries don't seem to realize the wild west wasn't so wild and that most Americans have only ever seen a cowboy on a TV or movie screen.

And I'll admit that I really don't care about the crime in other places because unlike you I;m honest about it.

People that own guns legally are not the problem

I agree gun owners are not the problem, unless if there is a road rage, family, dispute, neighbour dispute, work dispute, school shootings and so much more. Most countries people don't get killed as easy because there are no guns or is super hard to get one.

1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop rapes, robberies and murders.

In other countries, those victims just have to sit there and endure the rapes, robberies and murders.....

10,235 gun murders in U.S. in 2019.

0ver 70-80% of our gun murder victims aren't normal Americans...they are criminals engaged in criminal activity, in democrat party controlled cities and voting districts.

Of the rest of the victims, the majority are friends and family of the criminals who are hit when their criminal friend or family member is targeted for murder, in democrat party cities and voting districts.

So we don't have a gun problem, we have a criminal problem.

1.1 million rapes, robberies and murders are avoided with guns........... versus 10,235 gun murders, the majority of which are criminals......

If you aren't a criminal...

If you aren't the friend, family member or associate of a criminal

If you don't live with that criminal in a democrat party controlled city or voting district

Then the odds of you ever experiencing gun crime or murder are smaller than in Europe.....

We have lots of guns in MAGA states and cities...we just don't use them to commit murder or crime.

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
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A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
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In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/

Pohahahaha
Keep convincing yourself.
With guns America has one of the highest rates of rape, theft, homicides, mass shootings.
You are numb to it all because you've lived in a Hostile aggressive culture, you don't know better.
9 lives were easily taken because even the weakest MOFO out there can kill as many as he wishes. It doesn't happen in most countries simply because people can't obtain guns.

Keep the body count.

Did you know that Australia with its restrictive gun laws has a higher rape rate than the US?

Guns don't cause rape.

 

[2aguy]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?

One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.

Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.

Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?

one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?

Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.

No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of gu

www.politifact.com

And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...

I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.1–3 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,4–10; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12

Rural Versus Urban Hospitalizations for Firearm Injuries in Children and Adolescents

In this study, we compare rates of hospitalizations for firearm injuries in children and adolescents between rural and urban areas of the United States.

pediatrics.aappublications.org

Yeah...you are an idiot...

In 2019, there were 37 accidental gun deaths for children under 11 years of age. Past research has shown that most of those involve shots from adult males, most in the mid to late 20s, who also have criminal records and are very likely to be drug addicts or alcoholics. So with 43.8 million children in that age range, the probability of a young child getting ahold of a gun and accidentally shooting another child is incredibly small. With half of the American homes owning guns, that implies a 0.00017 percent chance of a child dying from an accidental gunshot in those homes.

Entertainment TV Shows Keep Pushing Lies About Guns

The lessons from these entertainment shows are clear. Dont try to use a gun for protection, and its better not to even think of owning one.

townhall.com

Again....



578 children under the age of 11 died by accidental drowning...

9 people dead again. Never seing that happen in most of the world, this shit only happens in the US and some worn drug torncountries.
But according to idiots like you,, it is normal millions of crimes were stopped. Dumbest argument ever.

Honestly, some if those idiots use mass slaughter figures as a by product of maintaining their freedom and weapons. It's a type of collateral damage.
Every country in world can see what the problem is but America.

You mean like Europe...where they took guns away from their citizens, then allowed the German socialists to murder 12 million innocent....unarmed, men, women and children?

You mean like that?

No. There was no gun eradication programme. They had none from the beginning.

You live in a dream if you think civilians will be called to eradicate communist takeovers. What a joke. What a pathetic justification to cover for mass slaughter every week and 1 kid killed by guns every day.
Don't blurt your rubbish to me.

Gun nuts argument debunked by adults

Disarmament of the German Jews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Exploiting the Holocaust in order to keep your guns is pretty shabby.

Dipshit.....the registration of guns in Germany began in the 1920s....... so your link is dishonest....they use the straw man argument that gun Rights supporters say the nazis started it..they didn't.....the German government used the same arguments you asshats use. They told the citizens that because of the violence in the streets between the communists and the national socialists, it would make them safer if the government knew who owned guns.....so they forced Germans to register their guns.

Then, when the nazis came to power, they used the registration lists created in the 1920s to disarm the Jews and their political enemies....

You idiot...

Then, after they disarmed their people, the sent Jews and other groups to be mass murdered.....

 

[Blues Man]

Of course Americans have rights. They are listed in the US Constitution, bearing arms being one of them.

Nope. Writing on a piece of paper doesn't give you rights.

Let's say a majority suddenly realizes, "Hey, that Second Amendment was about militias, not gun ownership", and that becomes the interpretation. Then, enforcing a well-regulated militia, they just collect all the guns and if they have to put a few of you in the ground, they can say what you guys normally say when a cop plugs a black child playing with a toy.

As far as rights go, liberals decide what rights are even though never written anywhere. They think marriage is a right. Where is that written, the same place gay marriage is? They say they have a right not to have any religion in their public school. Again, nowhere is that right written.

Actually, that's very clearly written in the first Amendment in the establishment clause.

217 billion in economic losses? I never paid a dime into any of those. Have you? Who suffers these supposed losses and what are those losses specifically?

Well, you probably do in paying higher insurance premiums for that slum you live in, buddy.

Our entire form of government is centered on the idea that people do not have to be given rights by anyone but that those rights are inherent in each individual.

 

[2aguy]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?

One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.

Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.

Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?

one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?

Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.

No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of gu

www.politifact.com

And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...

I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.1–3 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,4–10; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12

Rural Versus Urban Hospitalizations for Firearm Injuries in Children and Adolescents

In this study, we compare rates of hospitalizations for firearm injuries in children and adolescents between rural and urban areas of the United States.

pediatrics.aappublications.org

Yeah...you are an idiot...

In 2019, there were 37 accidental gun deaths for children under 11 years of age. Past research has shown that most of those involve shots from adult males, most in the mid to late 20s, who also have criminal records and are very likely to be drug addicts or alcoholics. So with 43.8 million children in that age range, the probability of a young child getting ahold of a gun and accidentally shooting another child is incredibly small. With half of the American homes owning guns, that implies a 0.00017 percent chance of a child dying from an accidental gunshot in those homes.

Entertainment TV Shows Keep Pushing Lies About Guns

The lessons from these entertainment shows are clear. Dont try to use a gun for protection, and its better not to even think of owning one.

townhall.com

Again....



578 children under the age of 11 died by accidental drowning...

9 people dead again. Never seing that happen in most of the world, this shit only happens in the US and some worn drug torncountries.
But according to idiots like you,, it is normal millions of crimes were stopped. Dumbest argument ever.

Honestly, some if those idiots use mass slaughter figures as a by product of maintaining their freedom and weapons. It's a type of collateral damage.
Every country in world can see what the problem is but America.

You mean like Europe...where they took guns away from their citizens, then allowed the German socialists to murder 12 million innocent....unarmed, men, women and children?

You mean like that?

No. There was no gun eradication programme. They had none from the beginning.

You live in a dream if you think civilians will be called to eradicate communist takeovers. What a joke. What a pathetic justification to cover for mass slaughter every week and 1 kid killed by guns every day.
Don't blurt your rubbish to me.

Gun nuts argument debunked by adults.

Disarmament of the German Jews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Exploiting the Holocaust in order to keep your guns is pretty shabby.

To pretend that the Holocaust doesn't show that a disarmed population is vulnerable to government murder is just stupid....you think it can never happen again, that is why you are an idiot.

 

[Blues Man]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

A citizen from a country that still practices a medieval form of government complains about the freedoms of another. Hows the Queen doing.

I guess we are just jealous that we cant enjoy the freedoms that this 6 year old would have enjoyed. If he had managed to stay alive long enough obviously.

The old false sense of security over freedom argument.

Its not an "argument". "Freedom" isnt much use to dead folk. You are slaves to your guns like scared old men.I breath free Welsh air every day. I go where I like free from fear and sleep soundly every night cuddled up to Mrs T. You sleep with your guns and cant go to worship without armed guards.

You don't know shit about it.

And you want the government to run your life and tell you what you can and can't own or do or say.

Americans don't bend over for authority like you subjects of the crown do.

 

[2aguy]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?

One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.

Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.

Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?

one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?

Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.

No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of gu

www.politifact.com

And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...

I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.1–3 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,4–10; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12

Rural Versus Urban Hospitalizations for Firearm Injuries in Children and Adolescents

In this study, we compare rates of hospitalizations for firearm injuries in children and adolescents between rural and urban areas of the United States.

pediatrics.aappublications.org

See.......that link you have is bullshit....do you know why it is bullshit....?

This little bit right here....

fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.

At what point is a 15 year old gang member a regular child?

At what point is a 17,18,19 year old considered a "Child?"


They use the <20 because so few actual children die from accidental and gun murder....they have to use "under 20" so they can roll in the 15 year old gang members who are shooting each other on the orders of their gangs as part of that number.....you dumb asshole......

What is it with you gun grabbers...you always have to lie to push your agenda....

From Wisqars...the actual CDC data for children <1 to 14...I use this age range to exclude 15 year old gang members...of course, there are younger gang members shooting people, but this is a good start...

Out of 72 million children in the U.S....how many actual innocent children are murdered with guns?

For 2019....

269...

So tell us.....doofus....how does 269 out of 72 million children make guns a leading cause of death...?

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Then we have accidental gun deaths of children by gun.....

51.

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Again...how does 51 accidental gun deaths out of 72 million equal a leading cause of death...

You anti-gunners lie every time you post data because the actual data doesn't support anything you believe...

100 children a year die on their bicycles.........51 from gun accidents....

300 children die drowning......51 from gun accidents...

You are an idiot....

Lol thr whole entire US and thr world know that we have a gun issue, we thr ones that lived outside and the US tell you that, stats tell you that, the daily news tell you that but you are still in denial.

Just this past week along multiple mass shootings and dead people, criminals or not. Way too many dead people. .

You don't know what you are talking about...our issue isn't guns....since our gun murder rate went down 49% and our gun crime rate went down 75% as more Americans bought, owned and carried guns...

What you assholes don't understand is that the democrat party and it's policies drive our gun murder rate...the democrat party judges and prosecutors keep releasing violent gun offenders.....you idiot.

You don't know better. You are accustomed to fear, guns, paranoia you have 0 clue about how safe it is without the culture of gun it is in most countries. Dude kids in preschools have to do drills about an active shooter And you blaming the democrats ? Seriously?

Funny how the murder rate in the county I live has been ZERO for the past 10 years.

And like I said you have a 99.997% chance of NOT being murdered by a person using a gun if that .003% chance scares you then you really have a problem

Since I remember us overseas always shook our heads in disbelief about the amount of gun violence fast forward still the same tragedy...and we always said "they are idiots out there they still think is the wild wide west" I guess that saying is true and you don't care as long as its far from where you live.

I really don't care what other countries or the people who live in other countries think about the US.

And people in other countries don't seem to realize the wild west wasn't so wild and that most Americans have only ever seen a cowboy on a TV or movie screen.

And I'll admit that I really don't care about the crime in other places because unlike you I;m honest about it.

People that own guns legally are not the problem

I agree gun owners are not the problem, unless if there is a road rage, family, dispute, neighbour dispute, work dispute, school shootings and so much more. Most countries people don't get killed as easy because there are no guns or is super hard to get one.

1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop rapes, robberies and murders.

In other countries, those victims just have to sit there and endure the rapes, robberies and murders.....

10,235 gun murders in U.S. in 2019.

0ver 70-80% of our gun murder victims aren't normal Americans...they are criminals engaged in criminal activity, in democrat party controlled cities and voting districts.

Of the rest of the victims, the majority are friends and family of the criminals who are hit when their criminal friend or family member is targeted for murder, in democrat party cities and voting districts.

So we don't have a gun problem, we have a criminal problem.

1.1 million rapes, robberies and murders are avoided with guns........... versus 10,235 gun murders, the majority of which are criminals......

If you aren't a criminal...

If you aren't the friend, family member or associate of a criminal

If you don't live with that criminal in a democrat party controlled city or voting district

Then the odds of you ever experiencing gun crime or murder are smaller than in Europe.....

We have lots of guns in MAGA states and cities...we just don't use them to commit murder or crime.

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
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A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
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In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/

Pohahahaha
Keep convincing yourself.
With guns America has one of the highest rates of rape, theft, homicides, mass shootings.
You are numb to it all because you've lived in a Hostile aggressive culture, you don't know better.
9 lives were easily taken because even the weakest MOFO out there can kill as many as he wishes. It doesn't happen in most countries simply because people can't obtain guns.

Keep the body count.

In most countries the government murders in the millions.......

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders and brutal assaults......according to our Centers for Disease Control.... idiots like you think that countries around the world with gun control are going to stay the same, even as their welfare cultures create fatherless children...the children who become violent criminals....

They are also importing violent, 3rd world criminals...who don't care about the values or culture of those countries and who do not care about your laws or your police....

Keep thinking that you are frozen in time....see what happens....

 

[Blues Man]

1.1 million times a year safe.....according to the Centers for Disease Control...

Don't worry tommy....London is already unsafe for women and girls and the 3rd world gangs are getting all the guns they want....

A few years ago London had a higher murder rate than NYC. They did so with knives. Knives are illegal to carry in London, but as expected, that didn't bother the criminals. What they ended up with was an armed criminal element, and a disarmed society. Now they think that's a great idea for us to do here, only with guns.

In the 1960s our criminals transitioned from knives to guns.......Britain, now has the same issue...their criminals are transitioning from knives and swords to guns...as their new, 3rd world drug gangs ramp up the violence...

You have been spouting the same shit in the 5 years I have been on this board. Its always tomorrow isnt it ? When can I expect our murder rates to match those ? When can I expect them to be half of yours ? When will all of Europe reach parity with the US ? When will Australia and New Zealand get as bad as the US ?

You have a weak case but you persist with it regardless . You are a ******* clown.

And you still can't get it though your thick skull that Americans don't give a **** about the laws in other countries and we certainly don't give a **** what anyone who kneels before a monarch thinks

 

[2aguy]

you have no real rights your government can take any perceived right you think you have away with a simple vote.

Yes, they can.

What's your point?

There are no rights, only privileges the rest of society has agreed you should have. Any fool who thinks he has rights needs to look up "Japanese Americans, 1942."

The question is, should Americans have the privilege of owning guns. For the small minority of Americans who are gun owners, the majority of us who have no desire to own a gun have to put up with quite a lot. Active Shooter Drills, Security Guards, Magnetic lock doors, etc. We tolerate 40,000 gun deaths and 70,000 gun injuries and 217 Billion a year in economic losses due to gun violence.

Is it worth it?

You see, as much shit as I give the Gun Fetishists here, I don't think there should be a total ban on private gun ownership. I do think it should be a lot harder to get a gun and a lot easier to take one away from you if you abuse the privilege. If 2AGuy is a responsible gun owner like he says, he shouldn't object to thorough background checks, red flag laws or anything else to keep guns out of the hands of the Adam Lanzas of the world. And, no, there's no reason why any civilian should have a military-grade assault rifle.

I object to all of those things because asshats like you exploit them to keep people from being able to own and carry guns........we know human history and human nature.....we know that gun bans and confiscations were always followed by repression, persecution, and in socialist countries, mass murder...

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, the writings on a piece of paper does give me rights when it's passed through the legislative process as our Constitution was.

It doesn't matter "what people say" what matters is how our courts interpret what the words mean, which in this case is that every American is entitled to the right to bear arms. They base their decision on the historical arguments about each amendment. The US Constitution is not a living document. It's written in stone.

Then how come they didn't find the Second Amendment gave a right to Gun Ownership until 2010?

No. Marriage was never mentioned in the Constitution. Neither was the prohibition of Religion, God, or Jesus in schools.

First Amendment says there should be no state religion. So yes, Jesus is prohibited from Government schools, as he should be.

I'm paying higher insurance premiums because of blacks that live here now, which is why (as you stated yourself) makes it a slum. They and government made it a slum--not guns.

Again, it's the fact they have guns that makes the insurance so high...

 

[2aguy]

Yes, the writings on a piece of paper does give me rights when it's passed through the legislative process as our Constitution was.

It doesn't matter "what people say" what matters is how our courts interpret what the words mean, which in this case is that every American is entitled to the right to bear arms. They base their decision on the historical arguments about each amendment. The US Constitution is not a living document. It's written in stone.

Then how come they didn't find the Second Amendment gave a right to Gun Ownership until 2010?

No. Marriage was never mentioned in the Constitution. Neither was the prohibition of Religion, God, or Jesus in schools.

First Amendment says there should be no state religion. So yes, Jesus is prohibited from Government schools, as he should be.

I'm paying higher insurance premiums because of blacks that live here now, which is why (as you stated yourself) makes it a slum. They and government made it a slum--not guns.

Again, it's the fact they have guns that makes the insurance so high...

Because no one decided to lie about it not being a Right until recently when they wanted to ban and confiscate guns......once asshats like you started pretending the Right didn't exist, they had to rule so that even idiots like you would see it in print....

 

[JoeB131]

I object to all of those things because asshats like you exploit them to keep people from being able to own and carry guns........we know human history and human nature.....we know that gun bans and confiscations were always followed by repression, persecution, and in socialist countries, mass murder...

Um, yeah, in NRA fantasy land.

In reality- Mass gun proliferation is a modern thing. Most of human history, very few people needed or owned guns. But in societies where they did, guns never stopped a dictator from taking over. Germans had a shitload of guns. they didn't stop Hitler, they fought for him to the last old man and little boy.

 

[JoeB131]

Because no one decided to lie about it not being a Right until recently when they wanted to ban and confiscate guns......once asshats like you started pretending the Right didn't exist, they had to rule so that even idiots like you would see it in print....

Actually, it was quite the reverse. Most people, including the NRA itself, realized the Second Amendment was about militias and gun control actually made sense.

Then the corrupt crazies took over the NRA, the people who saw a gold mine. All they had to do was support the crazy position on guns, money would flow in from the gun manufacturers, and idiots like you sending them your money. And if some kid gets shot on the highway, well, that's just his tough luck.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?

One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.

Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.

Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?

one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?

Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.

No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of gu

www.politifact.com

And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...

I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.1–3 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,4–10; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12

Rural Versus Urban Hospitalizations for Firearm Injuries in Children and Adolescents

In this study, we compare rates of hospitalizations for firearm injuries in children and adolescents between rural and urban areas of the United States.

pediatrics.aappublications.org

Yeah...you are an idiot...

In 2019, there were 37 accidental gun deaths for children under 11 years of age. Past research has shown that most of those involve shots from adult males, most in the mid to late 20s, who also have criminal records and are very likely to be drug addicts or alcoholics. So with 43.8 million children in that age range, the probability of a young child getting ahold of a gun and accidentally shooting another child is incredibly small. With half of the American homes owning guns, that implies a 0.00017 percent chance of a child dying from an accidental gunshot in those homes.

Entertainment TV Shows Keep Pushing Lies About Guns

The lessons from these entertainment shows are clear. Dont try to use a gun for protection, and its better not to even think of owning one.

townhall.com

Again....



578 children under the age of 11 died by accidental drowning...

9 people dead again. Never seing that happen in most of the world, this shit only happens in the US and some worn drug torncountries.
But according to idiots like you,, it is normal millions of crimes were stopped. Dumbest argument ever.

Honestly, some if those idiots use mass slaughter figures as a by product of maintaining their freedom and weapons. It's a type of collateral damage.
Every country in world can see what the problem is but America.

You mean like Europe...where they took guns away from their citizens, then allowed the German socialists to murder 12 million innocent....unarmed, men, women and children?

You mean like that?

No. There was no gun eradication programme. They had none from the beginning.

You live in a dream if you think civilians will be called to eradicate communist takeovers. What a joke. What a pathetic justification to cover for mass slaughter every week and 1 kid killed by guns every day.
Don't blurt your rubbish to me.

Gun nuts argument debunked by adults

Disarmament of the German Jews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Exploiting the Holocaust in order to keep your guns is pretty shabby.

Dipshit.....the registration of guns in Germany began in the 1920s....... so your link is dishonest....they use the straw man argument that gun Rights supporters say the nazis started it..they didn't.....the German government used the same arguments you asshats use. They told the citizens that because of the violence in the streets between the communists and the national socialists, it would make them safer if the government knew who owned guns.....so they forced Germans to register their guns.

Then, when the nazis came to power, they used the registration lists created in the 1920s to disarm the Jews and their political enemies....

You idiot...

Then, after they disarmed their people, the sent Jews and other groups to be mass murdered.....

But but but Japanese Americans had gun rights when you herded them into concentration camps. Your argument has been debunked.