"Mummy my tummy hurts" - How guns keep you safe.

[Tommy Tainant]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

A citizen from a country that still practices a medieval form of government complains about the freedoms of another. Hows the Queen doing.

I guess we are just jealous that we cant enjoy the freedoms that this 6 year old would have enjoyed. If he had managed to stay alive long enough obviously.

The old false sense of security over freedom argument.

Its not an "argument". "Freedom" isnt much use to dead folk. You are slaves to your guns like scared old men.I breath free Welsh air every day. I go where I like free from fear and sleep soundly every night cuddled up to Mrs T. You sleep with your guns and cant go to worship without armed guards.

You don't know shit about it.

And you want the government to run your life and tell you what you can and can't own or do or say.

Americans don't bend over for authority like you subjects of the crown do.

You cant buy a pint of milk without being armed to the teeth. Now tell me about your freedom.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

1.1 million times a year safe.....according to the Centers for Disease Control...

Don't worry tommy....London is already unsafe for women and girls and the 3rd world gangs are getting all the guns they want....

A few years ago London had a higher murder rate than NYC. They did so with knives. Knives are illegal to carry in London, but as expected, that didn't bother the criminals. What they ended up with was an armed criminal element, and a disarmed society. Now they think that's a great idea for us to do here, only with guns.

In the 1960s our criminals transitioned from knives to guns.......Britain, now has the same issue...their criminals are transitioning from knives and swords to guns...as their new, 3rd world drug gangs ramp up the violence...

You have been spouting the same shit in the 5 years I have been on this board. Its always tomorrow isnt it ? When can I expect our murder rates to match those ? When can I expect them to be half of yours ? When will all of Europe reach parity with the US ? When will Australia and New Zealand get as bad as the US ?

You have a weak case but you persist with it regardless . You are a ******* clown.

Your drug gangs are importing guns......they do not fear your police....

Diana Fawcett, the charity's chief executive, told Sky News: "At a time when the number of homicides has been falling, deaths related to gun crime are showing significant increases which is incredibly concerning.More than 600 children in the UK were arrested for suspected firearm offences last year amid the coronavirus pandemic, new figures reveal.
A Sky News investigation has found children as young as 11 were among more than 2,000 youths detained for alleged crimes involving guns, imitation firearms and air weapons between 2018 and January 2021.
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Simeon Moore, who carried a gun aged 15 when he was a member of a notorious Birmingham gang, said young people arming themselves often believe they are doing "the right thing".
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"From knives, we started to carry guns. For me, at the time it was a means of protection.
"I was walking around and at any point I could get beat up, stabbed or have my head blown off.
Hundreds of children arrested for suspected gun crimes during COVID pandemic
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The number of shootings in London is on the rise, despite the capital being in lockdown for significant parts of last year.

Scotland Yard figures reveal 288 incidents in 2020 where a lethal firearm was discharged, compared with 266 shooting incidents the year before.
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The second call of the day brought into sharp focus the concerns police have around the number of criminals apparently now willing to carry firearms.
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The officer said criminal gangs were increasingly targeting vehicles for the small amounts of precious metals in the catalytic converters.

"It is only worth a few hundred pounds to them, but for that, the criminal gangs are willing to threaten lethal force."

Shootings in London on the rise despite lockdown, police reveal

Sharp rise in knife and gun attacks outside London as austerity bites

Across the West Midlands, violent crime has become unnervingly common. Despite knife crime in the capital making the headlines, it has risen by 103% since 2014 in this region compared with 48% in London, with 14 knife crimes a day so far this year often targeting children of school age. Meanwhile, gun crime is up by a third in the West Midlands,

and murder, GBH and other violent crimes increased by 17% in the last year alone. In London, the rises were about 10% and 6% year-on-year, respectively.
The gangs and violence commission report found “crucial links” between the black market for illicit substances and serious violence, and much of the rising violence is blamed locally on disputes between gangs, many of whom deal drugs, increasingly being settled with guns and knives.
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Liverpool gangs 'dominate' gun and drugs trade outside London


Organised criminal gangs from Liverpool have risen to the summit of the UK underworld and “dominate” the firearms and drugs-trade outside London, the latest intelligence from senior officers at the National Crime Agency (NCA) reveals.
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Analysis of encrypted messages from a communications system used by criminals has shown that the city has become the preeminent location for top-tier gangs sourcing high-volume importations of drugs and automatic weapons.
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Analysis by the NFTC found that Merseyside and the broader north-west corridor was home to a network of gun factories converting low-calibre weapons such as the Czech-made Škorpion and Slovakian Grand Power into deadly automatic firearms.

Perfect said that converting weapons was seen by some in the region as a viable business.

A low-calibre Glock handgun bought for £135 in eastern Europe could be converted in just 90 seconds to a 9mm weapon that could be sold for up to £5,000.
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nalysis of the intelligence from EncroChat has revealed other surprises to firearms officers. Perfect said:

“If you’d asked me before Venetic what was the firearm of choice for an organised crime group, I’d have absolutely said the Glock handgun. Venetic showed that the Škorpion SMG and the Grand Power are now becoming that weapon of choice.”
Police struggle to stop flood of firearms into UK

Police and border officials are struggling to stop a rising supply of illegal firearms being smuggled into Britain, a senior police chief has warned.

Chief constable Andy Cooke, the national police lead for serious and organised crime, said law enforcement had seen an increased supply of guns over the past year, and feared that it would continue in 2019

The Guardian has learned that the situation is so serious that the National Crime Agency has taken the rare step of using its legal powers to direct every single police force to step up the fight against illegal guns.

The NCA has used tasking powers to direct greater intelligence about firearms to be gathered by all 43 forces in England and Wales.

Another senior law enforcement official said that “new and clean” weapons were now being used in the majority of shootings, as opposed to guns once being so difficult to obtain that they would be “rented out” to be used in multiple crimes.

Cooke, the Merseyside chief constable, told the Guardian: “We in law enforcement expect the rise in new firearms to continue. We are doing all we can. We are not in a position to stop it anytime soon.

“Law enforcement is more joined up now than before, but the scale of the problem is such that despite a number of excellent firearms seizures, I expect the rise in supply to be a continuing issue.”

The increasing supply of guns belies problems with UK border security and innovations by organised crime gangs. Smugglers have increasingly found new ways and innovative routes to get guns past border defences.


Cooke said that the dynamics of the streets of British cities had changed and that criminals were more willing to use guns: “If they bring them in people will buy them. It’s a kudos thing for organised criminals.”

Simon Brough, head of firearms at the NCA, said: “The majority of guns being used are new, clean firearms ... which indicates a relatively fluid supply.”

He said shotguns were 40% of the total, with an increase in burglaries to try and steal them.

Handguns are the next biggest category, most often smuggled in from overseas, with ferry ports such as Dover being a popular entry point into the UK for organised crime groups:

“We’re doing a lot to fight back against it,” Brough said, adding that compared to other European countries, the availability in the UK was relatively lower.
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Two shot dead on London's streets amid warnings 'fluid supply' of guns is increasingly difficult to control

The violence came as police warned that the “fluid supply” of gunswas becoming increasingly difficult to control, with gangs using new and innovative ways of smuggling them past border defences.
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Simon Brough, head of firearms at the National Crime Agency (NCA), also warned that the “sheer volume” of firearms coming into the UK represented a “pernicious threat” that urgently needed to be addressed.

“The scale is really challenging, he told the Telegraph. “We are doing everything we can but criminals are operating in a lucrative business where they can be increasingly innovative and operate in a highly effective way.”


Last week, an Irish man found with 60 firearms in his car in Dover, en route from Calais, admitted gun smuggling.

Robert Keogh, 37, was stopped on August 2 by Border Force officers who found the weapons concealed deep inside the vehicle’s bumper and both rear quarter panels.

The number of shootings has been on the rise since 2013 and has in part being linked to the 2,000 drug supply chains identified as part of the country lines network.

Mr Brough said hand guns were being smuggled through eastern Europe, across nexus points in Belgium and the Netherlands and then onwards into the UK.

Thats an awesome display of cut and paste that , sadly, nobody will ever read. When will our gun deaths match those in the US ? You have been promising armageddon for years now and it is yet to happen.

 

[citygator]

Truth is in the middle guys.

First the US isn’t the Wild West. There are 14,000 homicides annually. That’s less than 1 per day per state. It’s actually 2 every 3 days. It’s high but no one is ducking bullets daily.

Second, a well regulated militia should actually be, you know, regulated. It should be harder to acquire a gun than a car. Pass a test. Have a license that expires if not maintenanced or you get it taken away for breaking too many rules. Just my thoughts.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

A citizen from a country that still practices a medieval form of government complains about the freedoms of another. Hows the Queen doing.

I guess we are just jealous that we cant enjoy the freedoms that this 6 year old would have enjoyed. If he had managed to stay alive long enough obviously.

The old false sense of security over freedom argument.

Its not an "argument". "Freedom" isnt much use to dead folk. You are slaves to your guns like scared old men.I breath free Welsh air every day. I go where I like free from fear and sleep soundly every night cuddled up to Mrs T. You sleep with your guns and cant go to worship without armed guards.

You don't know shit about it.

And you want the government to run your life and tell you what you can and can't own or do or say.

Americans don't bend over for authority like you subjects of the crown do.

You cant buy a pint of milk without being armed to the teeth. Now tell me about your freedom.

Liar, again for the REALLY SLOW AND AMAZINGLY STUPID, the only dangerous areas are inner city slums and shitholes and that's because of MINORITY GANGS. Most murders about 99 percent occur there most violent crime occurs there.

 

[hadit]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

A citizen from a country that still practices a medieval form of government complains about the freedoms of another. Hows the Queen doing.

I guess we are just jealous that we cant enjoy the freedoms that this 6 year old would have enjoyed. If he had managed to stay alive long enough obviously.

The old false sense of security over freedom argument.

And that's what they will never understand. Freedom is dangerous and scary. It's chaotic, and sometimes people can do things you you think they shouldn't. It's still preferable to the alternative.

A bird in a cage is safe from predators. It doesn't have to build a nest to hide in or for protection from the elements. It doesn't have to scrounge for food. It doesn't have to fly thousands of miles south every winter and back north every summer. It also is in a cage.

In general big city dwellers are more willing to trade liberty for security than other citizens. this is at the crux of the divide.

Which makes them victims, constantly crying out for authoritarian protection, then decrying that same authoritarianism when it's abused, which surprises no one. And, of course, they insist on imposing their paranoia on the rest of the population. They are birds in a cage, thinking that birds flying free are the foolish ones.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

A citizen from a country that still practices a medieval form of government complains about the freedoms of another. Hows the Queen doing.

I guess we are just jealous that we cant enjoy the freedoms that this 6 year old would have enjoyed. If he had managed to stay alive long enough obviously.

The old false sense of security over freedom argument.

Its not an "argument". "Freedom" isnt much use to dead folk. You are slaves to your guns like scared old men.I breath free Welsh air every day. I go where I like free from fear and sleep soundly every night cuddled up to Mrs T. You sleep with your guns and cant go to worship without armed guards.

You don't know shit about it.

And you want the government to run your life and tell you what you can and can't own or do or say.

Americans don't bend over for authority like you subjects of the crown do.

You cant buy a pint of milk without being armed to the teeth. Now tell me about your freedom.

Liar, again for the REALLY SLOW AND AMAZINGLY STUPID, the only dangerous areas are inner city slums and shitholes and that's because of MINORITY GANGS. Most murders about 99 percent occur there most violent crime occurs there.

Who would have thought that most crime happens where there are more people ? Clown.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Truth is in the middle guys.

First the US isn’t the Wild West. There are 14,000 homicides annually. That’s less than 1 per day per state. It’s actually 2 every 3 days. It’s high but no one is ducking bullets daily.

Second, a well regulated militia should actually be, you know, regulated. It should be harder to acquire a gun than a car. Pass a test. Have a license that expires if not maintenanced or you get it taken away for breaking too many rules. Just my thoughts.

Unfortunately you are wrong. In my 61 years on this planet, recreational narcotics have been illegal. For the bad people that want them, they find them. The good people never look for such dangerous drugs because law abiding citizens obey laws. Today our drug usage and deaths are the highest they've ever been.

Same thing with guns. You can make every single gun illegal in this country, and the bad guys will always get them. So the idea of making it harder for law abiding citizens to have guns only puts the criminal at an advantage. It won't change a thing, and in fact, make things worse.

We don't need more gun regulations, we need more deterrents to crime. We need to leave us law abiding citizens alone, and make the penalties for having or using a firearm illegally much stronger.

 

[Burgermeister]

Truth is in the middle guys.

First the US isn’t the Wild West. There are 14,000 homicides annually. That’s less than 1 per day per state. It’s actually 2 every 3 days. It’s high but no one is ducking bullets daily.

Second, a well regulated militia should actually be, you know, regulated. It should be harder to acquire a gun than a car. Pass a test. Have a license that expires if not maintenanced or you get it taken away for breaking too many rules. Just my thoughts.

Unfortunately you are wrong. In my 61 years on this planet, recreational narcotics have been illegal. For the bad people that want them, they find them. The good people never look for such dangerous drugs because law abiding citizens obey laws. Today our drug usage and deaths are the highest they've ever been.

Same thing with guns. You can make every single gun illegal in this country, and the bad guys will always get them. So the idea of making it harder for law abiding citizens to have guns only puts the criminal at an advantage. It won't change a thing, and in fact, make things worse.

We don't need more gun regulations, we need more deterrents to crime. We need to leave us law abiding citizens alone, and make the penalties for having or using a firearm illegally much stronger.

That's crazy talk. The right answer is to take guns away from law abiding citizens and eliminate the police.

That is literally what some on the left are proposing, and some people take them seriously.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then how come they didn't find the Second Amendment gave a right to Gun Ownership until 2010?

That's when the issue made it to court. Of course other rulings in favor of gun rights were decided much earlier.

First Amendment says there should be no state religion. So yes, Jesus is prohibited from Government schools, as he should be.

No, it says Congress (those law makers on the federal level of our government) shall make no laws in favor of or prohibiting religion. It says nothing about Governors, superintendents of a school, a school board, or city hall. It specifically says Congress.

Again, it's the fact they have guns that makes the insurance so high...

We've had guns here when it was one of the best suburbs in the county. No problems. Again, guns are only an inanimate object. Guns can't commit crimes by themselves, only the people can.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's crazy talk. The right answer is to take guns away from law abiding citizens and eliminate the police.

That is literally what some on the left are proposing, and some people take them seriously.

Yes, they are taking it seriously. That's why these commie cities are experiencing some of the highest crime percentages they've seen in decades. In Portland, crime is up over 800% compared to last year.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Did you know that Australia with its restrictive gun laws has a higher rape rate than the US?

Guns don't cause rape.

Correct, guns help prevent rape. The idea that that pretty, frail, and seemingly harmless girl walking down the street at night may be carrying a .357 with hollow points gives a potential rapist something to think about. He may get away with his evil if she's unarmed, but if she's armed, his attempted criminal act just may put him in his grave. A criminal has to ask, is it worth it?

 

[hadit]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

A citizen from a country that still practices a medieval form of government complains about the freedoms of another. Hows the Queen doing.

I guess we are just jealous that we cant enjoy the freedoms that this 6 year old would have enjoyed. If he had managed to stay alive long enough obviously.

The old false sense of security over freedom argument.

Its not an "argument". "Freedom" isnt much use to dead folk. You are slaves to your guns like scared old men.I breath free Welsh air every day. I go where I like free from fear and sleep soundly every night cuddled up to Mrs T. You sleep with your guns and cant go to worship without armed guards.

You don't know shit about it.

And you want the government to run your life and tell you what you can and can't own or do or say.

Americans don't bend over for authority like you subjects of the crown do.

You cant buy a pint of milk without being armed to the teeth. Now tell me about your freedom.

Liar, again for the REALLY SLOW AND AMAZINGLY STUPID, the only dangerous areas are inner city slums and shitholes and that's because of MINORITY GANGS. Most murders about 99 percent occur there most violent crime occurs there.

Who would have thought that most crime happens where there are more people ? Clown.

Yet you want to apply restrictions on areas where there are less people. Imagine that.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

A citizen from a country that still practices a medieval form of government complains about the freedoms of another. Hows the Queen doing.

I guess we are just jealous that we cant enjoy the freedoms that this 6 year old would have enjoyed. If he had managed to stay alive long enough obviously.

The old false sense of security over freedom argument.

Its not an "argument". "Freedom" isnt much use to dead folk. You are slaves to your guns like scared old men.I breath free Welsh air every day. I go where I like free from fear and sleep soundly every night cuddled up to Mrs T. You sleep with your guns and cant go to worship without armed guards.

You don't know shit about it.

And you want the government to run your life and tell you what you can and can't own or do or say.

Americans don't bend over for authority like you subjects of the crown do.

You cant buy a pint of milk without being armed to the teeth. Now tell me about your freedom.

Liar, again for the REALLY SLOW AND AMAZINGLY STUPID, the only dangerous areas are inner city slums and shitholes and that's because of MINORITY GANGS. Most murders about 99 percent occur there most violent crime occurs there.

Who would have thought that most crime happens where there are more people ? Clown.

Yet you want to apply restrictions on areas where there are less people. Imagine that.

Limited geographical bans are pointless as we can see with the gun free zones.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Limited geographical bans are pointless as we can see with the gun free zones.

We have gun free zones here in the US. Mass murderers usually choose gun free zones when they want to commit their heinous act.

 

[hadit]

Did you know that Australia with its restrictive gun laws has a higher rape rate than the US?

Guns don't cause rape.

Correct, guns help prevent rape. The idea that that pretty, frail, and seemingly harmless girl walking down the street at night may be carrying a .357 with hollow points gives a potential rapist something to think about. He may get away with his evil if she's unarmed, but if she's armed, his attempted criminal act just may put him in his grave. A criminal has to ask, is it worth it?

This becomes a very important question. Why are some so determined to make the weakest among us even more vulnerable? It's the elderly lady living alone who could use an equalizer when she goes for groceries, but these would tell her, "Just call the police, they'll be there in 10 minutes. Try to survive your assault until they get there". Never mind that the first thing the attacker takes away from her is her means of calling the police.

 

[hadit]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

A citizen from a country that still practices a medieval form of government complains about the freedoms of another. Hows the Queen doing.

I guess we are just jealous that we cant enjoy the freedoms that this 6 year old would have enjoyed. If he had managed to stay alive long enough obviously.

The old false sense of security over freedom argument.

Its not an "argument". "Freedom" isnt much use to dead folk. You are slaves to your guns like scared old men.I breath free Welsh air every day. I go where I like free from fear and sleep soundly every night cuddled up to Mrs T. You sleep with your guns and cant go to worship without armed guards.

You don't know shit about it.

And you want the government to run your life and tell you what you can and can't own or do or say.

Americans don't bend over for authority like you subjects of the crown do.

You cant buy a pint of milk without being armed to the teeth. Now tell me about your freedom.

Liar, again for the REALLY SLOW AND AMAZINGLY STUPID, the only dangerous areas are inner city slums and shitholes and that's because of MINORITY GANGS. Most murders about 99 percent occur there most violent crime occurs there.

Who would have thought that most crime happens where there are more people ? Clown.

Yet you want to apply restrictions on areas where there are less people. Imagine that.

Limited geographical bans are pointless as we can see with the gun free zones.

So why do we bother with gun free zones? All they accomplish is to make some people feel good about themselves while making everyone else more vulnerable. If someone wants to shoot as many people as possible with the least fear of them shooting back, they head to a gun free zone like a school, a shopping mall or hospital, not a police station or army barracks. And seriously, preventing a farmer from carrying a firearm for protection against predators when he's out tending his livestock does absolutely nothing to make the urban dweller who's afraid of open skies any safer. All it does is make everyone less safe because someone who wants to commit an assault knows his potential victims are not armed. Face reality, there are far too many guns in circulation now to make a ban effective at all. If you had banned them before there were many around, you could keep the number low, but you can't now. It would be like closing the barn door after the cows got out.

The bottom line remains, freedom carries with it risk. A bird in a cage is safe, but not free. You in Europe have chosen to trade freedom for an illusion of safety (all you've done is place the responsibility for your personal safety in the hands of a few with government power) while we in America chose freedom (keeping responsibility for our personal safety in our own hands), and accepted the risks that go with it. And, as we have seen, more guns does not equal more deaths, because as the number of guns in circulation has increased, our death rates have gone down. Want to be safe in America? Know where you are and avoid dangerous areas. That's a simple thing that applies everywhere. There are a handful of areas in America that are dangerous to be in, so most people avoid them. I, for example, have no guns but don't fear getting shot because I don't go into areas where that is more likely to happen, and I know that there are those around me who armed and I do not fear them. I would warrant that there are places you don't go because you know there's a good chance you'll end up getting attacked for one reason or other.

Freedom means people are going to do things we don't like. It also means we can do things we want to do without fear that Big Brother is watching.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

This becomes a very important question. Why are some so determined to make the weakest among us even more vulnerable? It's the elderly lady living alone who could use an equalizer when she goes for groceries, but these would tell her, "Just call the police, they'll be there in 10 minutes. Try to survive your assault until they get there". Never mind that the first thing the attacker takes away from her is her means of calling the police.

I was in a local blog when our legislatures were considering a CCW program for our state and I brought up that point.

My adversary asked why I wanted to see our CCW program passed. I said for one, my mother is 73 years old, never drove a car in her life, and enjoys walking to the store, church, or just for exercise. He then asked, if our CCW law does pass, will your 73 year old mother carry a gun??? To that I replied, no she won't, but the criminal doesn't know that.

The reason these anti-gunners are safe in their home at night with no firearm is because gun people like us do have them. The criminal has no idea who is armed and who is not. I tell them that if they want to know what it would be like having strict gun laws in this country, then get a huge sign made that says WE HAVE NO FIREARMS IN THIS HOME, put that on their front porch and let us know how that worked out for you. Because that's exactly what taking our guns away would do, tell the criminal element we are defenseless in our home.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You cant buy a pint of milk without being armed to the teeth. Now tell me about your freedom.

I do not know in what bizarre fantasy world you imagine, where one has to be armed to go shopping for basic groceries, but as an American, I have never lived in, nor seen that world.

I suppose this is the difference between believing, as you do, what you are told by a bunch of lying propaganda sources about what life is like in a country about which you have no actual knowledge; and actually living in that country.

 

[2aguy]

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

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Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?

One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.

Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.

Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?

one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?

Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.

No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

Social media post says U.K. has far higher violent crime rate than U.S. does

The debate over gun policy has inspired a blizzard of messages on social media, from both supporters and opponents of gu

www.politifact.com

And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...

I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.1–3 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,4–10; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12

Rural Versus Urban Hospitalizations for Firearm Injuries in Children and Adolescents

In this study, we compare rates of hospitalizations for firearm injuries in children and adolescents between rural and urban areas of the United States.

pediatrics.aappublications.org

Yeah...you are an idiot...

In 2019, there were 37 accidental gun deaths for children under 11 years of age. Past research has shown that most of those involve shots from adult males, most in the mid to late 20s, who also have criminal records and are very likely to be drug addicts or alcoholics. So with 43.8 million children in that age range, the probability of a young child getting ahold of a gun and accidentally shooting another child is incredibly small. With half of the American homes owning guns, that implies a 0.00017 percent chance of a child dying from an accidental gunshot in those homes.

Entertainment TV Shows Keep Pushing Lies About Guns

The lessons from these entertainment shows are clear. Dont try to use a gun for protection, and its better not to even think of owning one.

townhall.com

Again....



578 children under the age of 11 died by accidental drowning...

9 people dead again. Never seing that happen in most of the world, this shit only happens in the US and some worn drug torncountries.
But according to idiots like you,, it is normal millions of crimes were stopped. Dumbest argument ever.

Honestly, some if those idiots use mass slaughter figures as a by product of maintaining their freedom and weapons. It's a type of collateral damage.
Every country in world can see what the problem is but America.

You mean like Europe...where they took guns away from their citizens, then allowed the German socialists to murder 12 million innocent....unarmed, men, women and children?

You mean like that?

No. There was no gun eradication programme. They had none from the beginning.

You live in a dream if you think civilians will be called to eradicate communist takeovers. What a joke. What a pathetic justification to cover for mass slaughter every week and 1 kid killed by guns every day.
Don't blurt your rubbish to me.

Gun nuts argument debunked by adults

Disarmament of the German Jews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Exploiting the Holocaust in order to keep your guns is pretty shabby.

Dipshit.....the registration of guns in Germany began in the 1920s....... so your link is dishonest....they use the straw man argument that gun Rights supporters say the nazis started it..they didn't.....the German government used the same arguments you asshats use. They told the citizens that because of the violence in the streets between the communists and the national socialists, it would make them safer if the government knew who owned guns.....so they forced Germans to register their guns.

Then, when the nazis came to power, they used the registration lists created in the 1920s to disarm the Jews and their political enemies....

You idiot...

Then, after they disarmed their people, the sent Jews and other groups to be mass murdered.....

But but but Japanese Americans had gun rights when you herded them into concentration camps. Your argument has been debunked.

No....the democrat President who ordered them into camps didn't take the next socialist step and murder them.....they were then compensated for their property loss.....

Funny...

Trail of Tears...democrat president
Slavery....democrats
Internment of Japanese Americans...democrat President...

Please...try to keep up with our history...since your countries history is now irrelevant to world affairs....

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You cant buy a pint of milk without being armed to the teeth. Now tell me about your freedom.

Liar, again for the REALLY SLOW AND AMAZINGLY STUPID, the only dangerous areas are inner city slums and shitholes and that's because of MINORITY GANGS. Most murders about 99 percent occur there most violent crime occurs there.

I live in a big city. There are parts of it that are in the shithole direction that you describe, though probably not as bad as some others in the country.

Even going into the bad parts of my city, I feel no need to go armed.