"Mummy my tummy hurts" - How guns keep you safe.


Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?
A citizen from a country that still practices a medieval form of government complains about the freedoms of another. Hows the Queen doing.
I guess we are just jealous that we cant enjoy the freedoms that this 6 year old would have enjoyed. If he had managed to stay alive long enough obviously.
The old false sense of security over freedom argument.
Its not an "argument". "Freedom" isnt much use to dead folk. You are slaves to your guns like scared old men.I breath free Welsh air every day. I go where I like free from fear and sleep soundly every night cuddled up to Mrs T. You sleep with your guns and cant go to worship without armed guards.
You don't know shit about it.

And you want the government to run your life and tell you what you can and can't own or do or say.

Americans don't bend over for authority like you subjects of the crown do.
You cant buy a pint of milk without being armed to the teeth. Now tell me about your freedom.
If the Government of the US ever turns tyrannical we can fight back, the people in your medieval country will just have to take it up the ass like you have always had to do.
 
Yes, the writings on a piece of paper does give me rights when it's passed through the legislative process as our Constitution was.

It doesn't matter "what people say" what matters is how our courts interpret what the words mean, which in this case is that every American is entitled to the right to bear arms. They base their decision on the historical arguments about each amendment. The US Constitution is not a living document. It's written in stone.

Then how come they didn't find the Second Amendment gave a right to Gun Ownership until 2010?

No. Marriage was never mentioned in the Constitution. Neither was the prohibition of Religion, God, or Jesus in schools.

First Amendment says there should be no state religion. So yes, Jesus is prohibited from Government schools, as he should be.

I'm paying higher insurance premiums because of blacks that live here now, which is why (as you stated yourself) makes it a slum. They and government made it a slum--not guns.

Again, it's the fact they have guns that makes the insurance so high...


Here...the Right to Keep and Bear arms was understood to be normal and lawful..it wasn't until doofuses like you came along and decided you didn't like guns and then tried to change all of American gun history that they had to ***** slap you with the Supreme Court rulings...

Only idiots like you make these arguments...

Water is wet....all humans understand this...till joe and his buddies come along and say, no, water isn't wet....then with too much time and money on their hands, they go to court to force everyone else to say that water isn't wet....the Supreme Court tells them, no....water is wet....then joe and his idiots say, only with that ruling was water ever ruled to be wet ...

You are an idiot...
 
I object to all of those things because asshats like you exploit them to keep people from being able to own and carry guns........we know human history and human nature.....we know that gun bans and confiscations were always followed by repression, persecution, and in socialist countries, mass murder...

Um, yeah, in NRA fantasy land.

In reality- Mass gun proliferation is a modern thing. Most of human history, very few people needed or owned guns. But in societies where they did, guns never stopped a dictator from taking over. Germans had a shitload of guns. they didn't stop Hitler, they fought for him to the last old man and little boy.


Gun ownership was ubiquitous in the United States...only the people who owned slaves and became democrats decided on the Slave codes that banned blacks from owning guns...and Indians, then later, after they were forced to give up their slaves the democrats came up with the Black Codes which once again banned blacks from owning guns...

Then you had the Sullivan Law of New York...the democrat politician who banned guns so his gang member stooges wouldn'g get shot when they strong armed the local businesses...

Here...learn something..

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Truth is in the middle guys.

First the US isn’t the Wild West. There are 14,000 homicides annually. That’s less than 1 per day per state. It’s actually 2 every 3 days. It’s high but no one is ducking bullets daily.

Second, a well regulated militia should actually be, you know, regulated. It should be harder to acquire a gun than a car. Pass a test. Have a license that expires if not maintenanced or you get it taken away for breaking too many rules. Just my thoughts.


Yes....and all the mass murdering governments agree with you.....

The Wild West wasn't wild.....that was the movies...
 

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?
A citizen from a country that still practices a medieval form of government complains about the freedoms of another. Hows the Queen doing.
I guess we are just jealous that we cant enjoy the freedoms that this 6 year old would have enjoyed. If he had managed to stay alive long enough obviously.
The old false sense of security over freedom argument.
Its not an "argument". "Freedom" isnt much use to dead folk. You are slaves to your guns like scared old men.I breath free Welsh air every day. I go where I like free from fear and sleep soundly every night cuddled up to Mrs T. You sleep with your guns and cant go to worship without armed guards.
You don't know shit about it.

And you want the government to run your life and tell you what you can and can't own or do or say.

Americans don't bend over for authority like you subjects of the crown do.
You cant buy a pint of milk without being armed to the teeth. Now tell me about your freedom.
Liar, again for the REALLY SLOW AND AMAZINGLY STUPID, the only dangerous areas are inner city slums and shitholes and that's because of MINORITY GANGS. Most murders about 99 percent occur there most violent crime occurs there.


actually, that is because the left wing democrats control those areas and cities...tommy is going to learn this......as his left wingers side with the violent criminals and start releasing them...
 

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?
A citizen from a country that still practices a medieval form of government complains about the freedoms of another. Hows the Queen doing.
I guess we are just jealous that we cant enjoy the freedoms that this 6 year old would have enjoyed. If he had managed to stay alive long enough obviously.
The old false sense of security over freedom argument.
Its not an "argument". "Freedom" isnt much use to dead folk. You are slaves to your guns like scared old men.I breath free Welsh air every day. I go where I like free from fear and sleep soundly every night cuddled up to Mrs T. You sleep with your guns and cant go to worship without armed guards.
You don't know shit about it.

And you want the government to run your life and tell you what you can and can't own or do or say.

Americans don't bend over for authority like you subjects of the crown do.
You cant buy a pint of milk without being armed to the teeth. Now tell me about your freedom.
Liar, again for the REALLY SLOW AND AMAZINGLY STUPID, the only dangerous areas are inner city slums and shitholes and that's because of MINORITY GANGS. Most murders about 99 percent occur there most violent crime occurs there.
Who would have thought that most crime happens where there are more people ? Clown.


Wrong....more crime happens in cities controlled by left wingers of the democrat party.....where they release violent, repeat gun offenders over and over again.....then the democrats attack the police and force them to stop arresting violent criminals...

Don't worry tommy, you are getting there...
 
First Amendment says there should be no state religion. So yes, Jesus is prohibited from Government schools, as he should be.
No, it says Congress (those law makers on the federal level of our government) shall make no laws in favor of or prohibiting religion. It says nothing about Governors, superintendents of a school, a school board, or city hall. It specifically says Congress.

By incorporation under the Fourteenth Amendment, the First Amendment now applies to all levels of government.

However, I believe the prohibition of religious teaching in public schools is wrong, and a distortion of the intent of the First Amendment. It is one of the more bizarre creations of the political left wrong that to protect freedom of religion, that we must suppress it.
 
Truth is in the middle guys.

First the US isn’t the Wild West. There are 14,000 homicides annually. That’s less than 1 per day per state. It’s actually 2 every 3 days. It’s high but no one is ducking bullets daily.

Second, a well regulated militia should actually be, you know, regulated. It should be harder to acquire a gun than a car. Pass a test. Have a license that expires if not maintenanced or you get it taken away for breaking too many rules. Just my thoughts.

Unfortunately you are wrong. In my 61 years on this planet, recreational narcotics have been illegal. For the bad people that want them, they find them. The good people never look for such dangerous drugs because law abiding citizens obey laws. Today our drug usage and deaths are the highest they've ever been.

Same thing with guns. You can make every single gun illegal in this country, and the bad guys will always get them. So the idea of making it harder for law abiding citizens to have guns only puts the criminal at an advantage. It won't change a thing, and in fact, make things worse.

We don't need more gun regulations, we need more deterrents to crime. We need to leave us law abiding citizens alone, and make the penalties for having or using a firearm illegally much stronger.
If you want fewer people to die on highways what do you do? Speed limits, driving tests to get a license, police monitoring how you use your car, mandate safety bags and seatbelts.

If you want fewer people to die from guns what do you do? Hopes and prayers? No. Legislation and rules.
 
Limited geographical bans are pointless as we can see with the gun free zones.
The bottom line remains, freedom carries with it risk. A bird in a cage is safe, but not free. You in Europe have chosen to trade freedom for an illusion of safety (all you've done is place the responsibility for your personal safety in the hands of a few with government power) while we in America chose freedom (keeping responsibility for our personal safety in our own hands), and accepted the risks that go with it.

Indeed, one great man who had an important part in the founding of our country, in defiance of the British filth who sought to control us, had something to say on the matter.

“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” — Benjamin Franklin​
 
Truth is in the middle guys.

First the US isn’t the Wild West. There are 14,000 homicides annually. That’s less than 1 per day per state. It’s actually 2 every 3 days. It’s high but no one is ducking bullets daily.

Second, a well regulated militia should actually be, you know, regulated. It should be harder to acquire a gun than a car. Pass a test. Have a license that expires if not maintenanced or you get it taken away for breaking too many rules. Just my thoughts.

Unfortunately you are wrong. In my 61 years on this planet, recreational narcotics have been illegal. For the bad people that want them, they find them. The good people never look for such dangerous drugs because law abiding citizens obey laws. Today our drug usage and deaths are the highest they've ever been.

Same thing with guns. You can make every single gun illegal in this country, and the bad guys will always get them. So the idea of making it harder for law abiding citizens to have guns only puts the criminal at an advantage. It won't change a thing, and in fact, make things worse.

We don't need more gun regulations, we need more deterrents to crime. We need to leave us law abiding citizens alone, and make the penalties for having or using a firearm illegally much stronger.
If you want fewer people to die on highways what do you do? Speed limits, driving tests to get a license, police monitoring how you use your car, mandate safety bags and seatbelts.

If you want fewer people to die from guns what do you do? Hopes and prayers? No. Legislation and rules.
Your solution to every perceived problem (not actual problems, just the ones you want to play up to push your agenda) is always more rules, more laws, more regulations, and the more powerful government necessary to enforce them all.




No.

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I do not know in what bizarre fantasy world you imagine, where one has to be armed to go shopping for basic groceries, but as an American, I have never lived in, nor seen that world.

I suppose this is the difference between believing, as you do, what you are told by a bunch of lying propaganda sources about what life is like in a country about which you have no actual knowledge; and actually living in that country.

About five years ago one of my tenants met this Australian girl on the internet. She was out of work and decided to come here to spend the summer with him. As expected, she was pretty liberal, but very cute.

My tenant introduced me to her one day while passing by, but it was just a "nice to meet you" kind of thing and we didn't get to talk.

A few days later it was sundown, and I forgot to make a bank deposit. It wasn't exactly warm here yet, so I wore my flannel shirt over my tee shirt, which gave me the opportunity to use my much more comfortable shoulder holster rather than the back holster. When I exited my door, she was sitting on the porch. The wind blew my flannel open exposing my shoulder holster and gun. She looked like she seen a ghost, like she never seen a real gun before in her life, and probably didn't.

By the end of summer with the kinds of things that go on around here, she understood why we Americans carry a gun with us.
 
If you want fewer people to die on highways what do you do? Speed limits, driving tests to get a license, police monitoring how you use your car, mandate safety bags and seatbelts.

If you want fewer people to die from guns what do you do? Hopes and prayers? No. Legislation and rules.

It kind of reminds me of when a teacher is writing on the blackboard, and one of the students hits her in the back with a spitball. Because nobody would rat out the kid who shot it, she punishes the entire class.

Why punish the tens of millions of responsible gun owners for the actions of a few? We don't need more regulations or laws against law abiding citizens, we need much harsher penalties for people who are not allowed to have a firearm, or use a gun in the commission of a crime.

As for carrying a firearm, in most states like mine, you have to obtain a license. You need to attend 10 hours of class and pass the written test, you need to spend 2 hours on the firing range, and also pass a shooting test. When you apply, they check your record out since the day you turned 18 years of age. We have to renew our license every 5 years, which they once again electronically fingerprint you, take another photo, and run a criminal background check on you.

The criminal however doesn't have to do any of these things, and they still carry a gun. If they get caught, so what? They'll be out of jail in a few hours, and the court will give them a suspended sentence because of our over crowded prisons, unless the accused is a convicted felon, which he will likely only serve a few months which he can do standing on his head.
 

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?
A citizen from a country that still practices a medieval form of government complains about the freedoms of another. Hows the Queen doing.
I guess we are just jealous that we cant enjoy the freedoms that this 6 year old would have enjoyed. If he had managed to stay alive long enough obviously.
The old false sense of security over freedom argument.
Its not an "argument". "Freedom" isnt much use to dead folk. You are slaves to your guns like scared old men.I breath free Welsh air every day. I go where I like free from fear and sleep soundly every night cuddled up to Mrs T. You sleep with your guns and cant go to worship without armed guards.
You don't know shit about it.

And you want the government to run your life and tell you what you can and can't own or do or say.

Americans don't bend over for authority like you subjects of the crown do.
You cant buy a pint of milk without being armed to the teeth. Now tell me about your freedom.
Wrong again serf.

I can go anywhere I want and I can be armed or not armed if I want.

You can't
 
Here...the Right to Keep and Bear arms was understood to be normal and lawful..it wasn't until doofuses like you came along and decided you didn't like guns and then tried to change all of American gun history that they had to ***** slap you with the Supreme Court rulings...

Actually, common sense gun laws were considered normal, and even supported by the NRA, until the nuts took over the NRA in the 1970's.

Gun ownership was ubiquitous in the United States...only the people who owned slaves and became democrats decided on the Slave codes that banned blacks from owning guns...and Indians, then later, after they were forced to give up their slaves the democrats came up with the Black Codes which once again banned blacks from owning guns...

Actually, it never really was until the middle of the last century. Before that, guns were expensive to produce and most people couldn't afford them. Jesus H. Christ, what Home Skule did you learn this shit in.

In fact, as late as 1950, you only had 50 million guns for 150 million Americans...

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By incorporation under the Fourteenth Amendment, the First Amendment now applies to all levels of government.

However, I believe the prohibition of religious teaching in public schools is wrong, and a distortion of the intent of the First Amendment. It is one of the more bizarre creations of the political left wrong that to protect freedom of religion, that we must suppress it.

Except no one is suppressing it, Mormon Bob. In fact, if you knew any history, the main person who pushed for the secularization of Schools was a fellow named James G. Blaine. He was an anti-Catholic bigot who didn't want any Catholic communities getting that sweet, sweet public school money. He got darned close to getting that written into the Constitution, in fact. He wasn't an atheist or an agnostic or even a dreaded Democrat. He was a Christian Republican. Although the Blaine Amendment was not put into the Federal Constitution, 37 states adopted them as part of their constitutions.

Now, I want you to do a thought experiment. If you allow religious teaching in the schools, you then have the problem of WHOSE religious teachings? What if the school board in your town is run by Southern Baptists who like Mormons even less than I do, and Little Bob comes home crying one day because Teacher told them all that Joseph Smith wasn't really the Prophet and he was doing 14 year old girls!!!
 
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The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.
Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?
One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.
Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.
Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?
one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?
Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.


No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.




And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...
I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.1–3 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,4–10; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12



See.......that link you have is bullshit....do you know why it is bullshit....?

This little bit right here....

fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.

At what point is a 15 year old gang member a regular child?

At what point is a 17,18,19 year old considered a "Child?"



They use the <20 because so few actual children die from accidental and gun murder....they have to use "under 20" so they can roll in the 15 year old gang members who are shooting each other on the orders of their gangs as part of that number.....you dumb asshole......

What is it with you gun grabbers...you always have to lie to push your agenda....

From Wisqars...the actual CDC data for children <1 to 14...I use this age range to exclude 15 year old gang members...of course, there are younger gang members shooting people, but this is a good start...

Out of 72 million children in the U.S....how many actual innocent children are murdered with guns?

For 2019....

269...

So tell us.....doofus....how does 269 out of 72 million children make guns a leading cause of death...?



Then we have accidental gun deaths of children by gun.....

51.


Again...how does 51 accidental gun deaths out of 72 million equal a leading cause of death...

You anti-gunners lie every time you post data because the actual data doesn't support anything you believe...

100 children a year die on their bicycles.........51 from gun accidents....

300 children die drowning......51 from gun accidents...

You are an idiot....
Lol thr whole entire US and thr world know that we have a gun issue, we thr ones that lived outside and the US tell you that, stats tell you that, the daily news tell you that but you are still in denial.

Just this past week along multiple mass shootings and dead people, criminals or not. Way too many dead people. .


You don't know what you are talking about...our issue isn't guns....since our gun murder rate went down 49% and our gun crime rate went down 75% as more Americans bought, owned and carried guns...

What you assholes don't understand is that the democrat party and it's policies drive our gun murder rate...the democrat party judges and prosecutors keep releasing violent gun offenders.....you idiot.
You don't know better. You are accustomed to fear, guns, paranoia you have 0 clue about how safe it is without the culture of gun it is in most countries. Dude kids in preschools have to do drills about an active shooter And you blaming the democrats ? Seriously?
Funny how the murder rate in the county I live has been ZERO for the past 10 years.

And like I said you have a 99.997% chance of NOT being murdered by a person using a gun if that .003% chance scares you then you really have a problem
Since I remember us overseas always shook our heads in disbelief about the amount of gun violence fast forward still the same tragedy...and we always said "they are idiots out there they still think is the wild wide west" I guess that saying is true and you don't care as long as its far from where you live.
I really don't care what other countries or the people who live in other countries think about the US.

And people in other countries don't seem to realize the wild west wasn't so wild and that most Americans have only ever seen a cowboy on a TV or movie screen.

And I'll admit that I really don't care about the crime in other places because unlike you I;m honest about it.

People that own guns legally are not the problem
I agree gun owners are not the problem, unless if there is a road rage, family, dispute, neighbour dispute, work dispute, school shootings and so much more. Most countries people don't get killed as easy because there are no guns or is super hard to get one.


1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop rapes, robberies and murders.

In other countries, those victims just have to sit there and endure the rapes, robberies and murders.....

10,235 gun murders in U.S. in 2019.

0ver 70-80% of our gun murder victims aren't normal Americans...they are criminals engaged in criminal activity, in democrat party controlled cities and voting districts.

Of the rest of the victims, the majority are friends and family of the criminals who are hit when their criminal friend or family member is targeted for murder, in democrat party cities and voting districts.

So we don't have a gun problem, we have a criminal problem.

1.1 million rapes, robberies and murders are avoided with guns........... versus 10,235 gun murders, the majority of which are criminals......

If you aren't a criminal...

If you aren't the friend, family member or associate of a criminal

If you don't live with that criminal in a democrat party controlled city or voting district

Then the odds of you ever experiencing gun crime or murder are smaller than in Europe.....

We have lots of guns in MAGA states and cities...we just don't use them to commit murder or crime.

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
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A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
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In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/
Pohahahaha
Keep convincing yourself.
With guns America has one of the highest rates of rape, theft, homicides, mass shootings.
You are numb to it all because you've lived in a Hostile aggressive culture, you don't know better.
9 lives were easily taken because even the weakest MOFO out there can kill as many as he wishes. It doesn't happen in most countries simply because people can't obtain guns.

Keep the body count.

Did you know that Australia with its restrictive gun laws has a higher rape rate than the US?

Guns don't cause rape.
Did you know that the US has 100s of millions of guns but yet have one of the highest rates of rape and thousands of gun deaths ?
 
The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.
Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?
One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.
Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.
Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?
one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?
Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.


No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.




And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...
I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.1–3 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,4–10; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12



See.......that link you have is bullshit....do you know why it is bullshit....?

This little bit right here....

fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.

At what point is a 15 year old gang member a regular child?

At what point is a 17,18,19 year old considered a "Child?"



They use the <20 because so few actual children die from accidental and gun murder....they have to use "under 20" so they can roll in the 15 year old gang members who are shooting each other on the orders of their gangs as part of that number.....you dumb asshole......

What is it with you gun grabbers...you always have to lie to push your agenda....

From Wisqars...the actual CDC data for children <1 to 14...I use this age range to exclude 15 year old gang members...of course, there are younger gang members shooting people, but this is a good start...

Out of 72 million children in the U.S....how many actual innocent children are murdered with guns?

For 2019....

269...

So tell us.....doofus....how does 269 out of 72 million children make guns a leading cause of death...?



Then we have accidental gun deaths of children by gun.....

51.


Again...how does 51 accidental gun deaths out of 72 million equal a leading cause of death...

You anti-gunners lie every time you post data because the actual data doesn't support anything you believe...

100 children a year die on their bicycles.........51 from gun accidents....

300 children die drowning......51 from gun accidents...

You are an idiot....
Lol thr whole entire US and thr world know that we have a gun issue, we thr ones that lived outside and the US tell you that, stats tell you that, the daily news tell you that but you are still in denial.

Just this past week along multiple mass shootings and dead people, criminals or not. Way too many dead people. .


You don't know what you are talking about...our issue isn't guns....since our gun murder rate went down 49% and our gun crime rate went down 75% as more Americans bought, owned and carried guns...

What you assholes don't understand is that the democrat party and it's policies drive our gun murder rate...the democrat party judges and prosecutors keep releasing violent gun offenders.....you idiot.
You don't know better. You are accustomed to fear, guns, paranoia you have 0 clue about how safe it is without the culture of gun it is in most countries. Dude kids in preschools have to do drills about an active shooter And you blaming the democrats ? Seriously?
Funny how the murder rate in the county I live has been ZERO for the past 10 years.

And like I said you have a 99.997% chance of NOT being murdered by a person using a gun if that .003% chance scares you then you really have a problem
Since I remember us overseas always shook our heads in disbelief about the amount of gun violence fast forward still the same tragedy...and we always said "they are idiots out there they still think is the wild wide west" I guess that saying is true and you don't care as long as its far from where you live.
I really don't care what other countries or the people who live in other countries think about the US.

And people in other countries don't seem to realize the wild west wasn't so wild and that most Americans have only ever seen a cowboy on a TV or movie screen.

And I'll admit that I really don't care about the crime in other places because unlike you I;m honest about it.

People that own guns legally are not the problem
I agree gun owners are not the problem, unless if there is a road rage, family, dispute, neighbour dispute, work dispute, school shootings and so much more. Most countries people don't get killed as easy because there are no guns or is super hard to get one.


1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop rapes, robberies and murders.

In other countries, those victims just have to sit there and endure the rapes, robberies and murders.....

10,235 gun murders in U.S. in 2019.

0ver 70-80% of our gun murder victims aren't normal Americans...they are criminals engaged in criminal activity, in democrat party controlled cities and voting districts.

Of the rest of the victims, the majority are friends and family of the criminals who are hit when their criminal friend or family member is targeted for murder, in democrat party cities and voting districts.

So we don't have a gun problem, we have a criminal problem.

1.1 million rapes, robberies and murders are avoided with guns........... versus 10,235 gun murders, the majority of which are criminals......

If you aren't a criminal...

If you aren't the friend, family member or associate of a criminal

If you don't live with that criminal in a democrat party controlled city or voting district

Then the odds of you ever experiencing gun crime or murder are smaller than in Europe.....

We have lots of guns in MAGA states and cities...we just don't use them to commit murder or crime.

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
--------

A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
----

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/
Pohahahaha
Keep convincing yourself.
With guns America has one of the highest rates of rape, theft, homicides, mass shootings.
You are numb to it all because you've lived in a Hostile aggressive culture, you don't know better.
9 lives were easily taken because even the weakest MOFO out there can kill as many as he wishes. It doesn't happen in most countries simply because people can't obtain guns.

Keep the body count.


In most countries the government murders in the millions.......

Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to stop rapes, robberies, murders and brutal assaults......according to our Centers for Disease Control.... idiots like you think that countries around the world with gun control are going to stay the same, even as their welfare cultures create fatherless children...the children who become violent criminals....

They are also importing violent, 3rd world criminals...who don't care about the values or culture of those countries and who do not care about your laws or your police....

Keep thinking that you are frozen in time....see what happens....
Governments murder by thr millions ? Which country?
 
The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.
Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?
One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.
Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.
Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?
one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?
Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.


No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.




And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...
I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.1–3 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,4–10; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12



Yeah...you are an idiot...

In 2019, there were 37 accidental gun deaths for children under 11 years of age. Past research has shown that most of those involve shots from adult males, most in the mid to late 20s, who also have criminal records and are very likely to be drug addicts or alcoholics. So with 43.8 million children in that age range, the probability of a young child getting ahold of a gun and accidentally shooting another child is incredibly small. With half of the American homes owning guns, that implies a 0.00017 percent chance of a child dying from an accidental gunshot in those homes.


Again....



578 children under the age of 11 died by accidental drowning...
9 people dead again. Never seing that happen in most of the world, this shit only happens in the US and some worn drug torncountries.
But according to idiots like you,, it is normal millions of crimes were stopped. Dumbest argument ever.

Honestly, some if those idiots use mass slaughter figures as a by product of maintaining their freedom and weapons. It's a type of collateral damage.
Every country in world can see what the problem is but America.


You mean like Europe...where they took guns away from their citizens, then allowed the German socialists to murder 12 million innocent....unarmed, men, women and children?

You mean like that?

No. There was no gun eradication programme. They had none from the beginning.

You live in a dream if you think civilians will be called to eradicate communist takeovers. What a joke. What a pathetic justification to cover for mass slaughter every week and 1 kid killed by guns every day.
Don't blurt your rubbish to me.
Gun nuts argument debunked by adults

Exploiting the Holocaust in order to keep your guns is pretty shabby.


Dipshit.....the registration of guns in Germany began in the 1920s....... so your link is dishonest....they use the straw man argument that gun Rights supporters say the nazis started it..they didn't.....the German government used the same arguments you asshats use. They told the citizens that because of the violence in the streets between the communists and the national socialists, it would make them safer if the government knew who owned guns.....so they forced Germans to register their guns.

Then, when the nazis came to power, they used the registration lists created in the 1920s to disarm the Jews and their political enemies....

You idiot...

Then, after they disarmed their people, the sent Jews and other groups to be mass murdered.....
But but but Japanese Americans had gun rights when you herded them into concentration camps. Your argument has been debunked.

Truth is in the middle guys.

First the US isn’t the Wild West. There are 14,000 homicides annually. That’s less than 1 per day per state. It’s actually 2 every 3 days. It’s high but no one is ducking bullets daily.

Second, a well regulated militia should actually be, you know, regulated. It should be harder to acquire a gun than a car. Pass a test. Have a license that expires if not maintenanced or you get it taken away for breaking too many rules. Just my thoughts.
You should not have to pass a test or be licensed to exorcise a constitutional right.
 

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