Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[hadit]

Then there's this;

Nonsense. 620,000 didn't lose their lives in the North. And if you asked the northern whites "what are you fighting for?" Do you honestly believe they'd say "to free the negro."????

620,000 did die in a war over slavery

To the best of my knowledge, we are the only nation that literally took up arms over the issue (largely) of slavery.

 

[Claudette]

Slavery was a symptom. The south was motivated by economics. Slavery was part of economics. You dont grasp root causes

The South was capable of paying its workforce. Cotton was a huge cash cow and plantation owners made fortunes. The workers who planted, maintained the crop, picked the crop and brought it to market received zero compensation.

The Aristocrats and Sweatshop Owners Get Off Scot-Free in This MInd-Controlled Thread

The Africans got room and board, protection from their own predators, medical services, and many other benefits they never got back in the jungle. Most Whites at the time lived in misery, with the Jews and Irish being treated worse than slaves. The most miserable lifestyle in the whole world was that of the Africans who got stuck back in the jungle. That is, if you don't consider selling their fellow Blacks into slavery as being high entertainment.

Your posting style is tedious

Your celebration of slavery is not worth reading

Hell the emancipation proclamation wasn't signed till 1863. That should tell anyone smarter than a rock that slavery wasn't the major cause of the civil war. If it had been that bill would have been signed three years earlier.

Like many of the defenders of the Confederacy you keep bringing up this fallacy.

The United States did not enter the war to end slavery.
But the Confederate Slave states left the Union to perpetuate slavery- and to defend their "rights" to perpetuate slavery and own human property- attacked troops of the United States Army.

I'm not defending the Confederacy. I'm merely stating that slavery wasn't the only issue about the Civil War. States Rights was the main issue and slavery was another issue.

The north wasn't against slavery. It was legal.

They left the Union because they didn't see eye to eye with those in power. Slavery was part of it but States rights was the bigger part.

 

[rightwinger]

Then there's this;

Nonsense. 620,000 didn't lose their lives in the North. And if you asked the northern whites "what are you fighting for?" Do you honestly believe they'd say "to free the negro."????

620,000 did die in a war over slavery

To the best of my knowledge, we are the only nation that literally took up arms over the issue (largely) of slavery.

Every other nation just abandoned it

We are the only nation to be willing to die over the right to own other humans

But, then again, we resorted to terrorism to prevent integration

 

[gipper]

Then there's this;

Nonsense. 620,000 didn't lose their lives in the North. And if you asked the northern whites "what are you fighting for?" Do you honestly believe they'd say "to free the negro."????

620,000 did die in a war over slavery

No. Most experts now believe the total number of deaths in Dishonest Abe's War of Northern Aggression was 850,000 AMERICANS....including women and children killed by the Union Army.

...and you find this admirable.

Statists UGH! The most murderous group in history.

 

[Snouter]

The American "Civil War" was a genocide. Nothing more.

 

[rightwinger]

Then there's this;

Nonsense. 620,000 didn't lose their lives in the North. And if you asked the northern whites "what are you fighting for?" Do you honestly believe they'd say "to free the negro."????

620,000 did die in a war over slavery

No. Most experts now believe the total number of deaths in Dishonest Abe's War of Northern Aggression was 850,000 AMERICANS....including women and children killed by the Union Army.

...and you find this admirable.

Statists UGH! The most murderous group in history.

It is despicable

Would have been better to just abandon slavery like other nations did

 

[rightwinger]

If not for slavery, there would not have been a Civil War

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

If not for slavery, there would not have been a Civil War

If not for Lincoln there would not have been a Civil War. The "If not for..." argument is plausible on the surface level, but upon any actual consideration it falls apart.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

If not for slavery, there would not have been a Civil War

If not for a bunch of shit, no civil war.

Why do you have such a hard time acknowledging that in 1861, practically everyone was a white supremacist and that slavery was not going away at the time the war started?

Is it so hard to admit that?

You can't be honest with yourself and admit that white people all over America in 1861 believed their race was superior, and that the war was a power struggle, not a civil rights movement?

Seriously?

Or, are you just trolling?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It is despicable

Would have been better to just abandon slavery like other nations did

I don't disagree, but do you really believe there would never have been a war? Do you honestly believe that no state would attempt to leave the union, as they had threatened prior to 1860?

 

[gipper]

Then there's this;

Nonsense. 620,000 didn't lose their lives in the North. And if you asked the northern whites "what are you fighting for?" Do you honestly believe they'd say "to free the negro."????

620,000 did die in a war over slavery

No. Most experts now believe the total number of deaths in Dishonest Abe's War of Northern Aggression was 850,000 AMERICANS....including women and children killed by the Union Army.

...and you find this admirable.

Statists UGH! The most murderous group in history.

It is despicable

Would have been better to just abandon slavery like other nations did

If not for slavery, there would not have been a Civil War

Those posts merely prove you are incapable of learning. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

 

[gipper]

It is despicable

Would have been better to just abandon slavery like other nations did

I don't disagree, but do you really believe there would never have been a war? Do you honestly believe that no state would attempt to leave the union, as they had threatened prior to 1860?

The entire western world ended slavery without a shot fired, with one notable exception. Something Lincoln Cultists never consider.

My thinking is if not for Dishonest Abe, we too would have ended slavery without a shot fired.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

The Civil War was over a state's right to secede.

The reason they seceded was slavery. or the fear U.S. expansion would put slave states in the minority.

But, make no mistake. The war was about seceding. Read Lincoln's inaugural address.

The issue was slavery

They never would have seceded if not for trying to preserve slavery forever

"Racism" Means Realism

Slavery saved the Blacks from savagery.

Slavery is more savage

Only Wage Slavery Is Regressive

Enslaving savages protects evolved human progress.

 

[Slyhunter]

The American "Civil War" was a genocide. Nothing more.

You must not know the definition of the word genocide.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Only Wage Slavery Is Regressive

Enslaving savages protects evolved human progress

Is that like saving wild Tigers from hunger by caging them?

A statist, folks. This is what they look like.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

Slavery was a part of the Civil War but States Rights was the real reason the Civil war was fought.

States rights to own human beings as slaves.

You didn't complete the sentence. I did it for you.

It was about slavery and nothing else.

Tell me what right did those states want that the federal government wanted to take from them beyond the right to own human beings a slaves.

We had the same issues with “States Rights” during the Civil Rights struggle.

States insisted on a right to treat citizens as lesser citizens

Anyone Born With a Silver Spoon in His Mouth Will Always Speak With a Forked Tongue


Civil rights for the uncivilized shows a decadent contempt for civilization. Once richkids are identified as the leaders of race treason, this second Reconstruction will wind up like the first one.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Civil rights for the uncivilized shows a decadent contempt for civilization. Once richkids are identified as the leaders of race treason, this second Reconstruction will wind up like the first one.

Oh, look. It's the Grand Dragon.

 

[kaz]

If not for slavery, there would not have been a Civil War

If not for a bunch of shit, no civil war.

Why do you have such a hard time acknowledging that in 1861, practically everyone was a white supremacist and that slavery was not going away at the time the war started?

Is it so hard to admit that?

You can't be honest with yourself and admit that white people all over America in 1861 believed their race was superior, and that the war was a power struggle, not a civil rights movement?

Seriously?

Or, are you just trolling?

The winner!

 

[MarcATL]

Hard to believe it is conservative Republicans who are defending the confederacy

Actually, it's not hard at all...it's evident in everything they do and say.

 

[kaz]

Civil rights for the uncivilized shows a decadent contempt for civilization. Once richkids are identified as the leaders of race treason, this second Reconstruction will wind up like the first one.

Oh, look. It's the Grand Dragon.

Hard to believe it is conservative Republicans who are defending the confederacy

Actually, it's not hard at all...it's evident in everything they do and say.

What is that?