Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[9thIDdoc]

There have already been multiple posts on the subject. Don't duplicate effort.

I wonder if on all of those multiple posts -- were there conservatives arguing with 12 paragraph thesis papers about how the Civil War wasn't over slavery? If so -- again, let me re-paste the title of my thread

"Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery"

What part of "...slavery was only one of several issues." are you having trouble understanding? Slavery as an institution was not even a major issue and certainly not THE reason for the war. The Southern economy depended on cotton production which in turn depended traditionally on slavery. It would be more correct to claim the war was fought because of a Northern attempt to impoverish the South if a single reason is demanded.

 

[del]

why do the defenders of the traitorous confederacy have such trouble acknowledging reality?

 

[Markle]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

So what? Who changed those laws? Discussion complete thank you.

Why don't you post the vote breakdown based upon geographical location? I'll give you some time to do so, before doing it for you and showing the board the intellectual dishonesty you are attempting to display.

Is what I posted true or not?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

why do the defenders of the traitorous confederacy have such trouble acknowledging reality?

I don't know what reality the defenders of the confederacy are having trouble acknowledging.

I, a NON-defender of the confederacy, have provided multiple historical sources showing that secession cause the war. Slavery was still tolerated.

If you have something rebutting that NON confederate defender FACT, I will consider it.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

We get it, no one cared about the slaves back then.

The abolitionist REPUBLICANS did. Many were lynched by the DEMOCRATS KKK because of their work.

 

[del]

so your position is that secession caused the war and slavery caused secession, but slavery didn't cause the war?

mmmkay

 

[Markle]

Then there's this;

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We get it, no one cared about the slaves back then...

So, those who have argued that the war was not about slavery were correct?

"Conservatives" still believe the Civil War was not over slavery because it is the truth?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Secession was about slavery. The Civil War wasnt about slavery. The Civil War was about secession.

Exactly. We have Lincoln's own words to back this up.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

so your position is that secession caused the war and slavery caused secession, but slavery didn't cause the war?

Had Lincoln declared that the war was to end slavery, it would have been so. Neither he, nor anyone else, said "we are going to war to end slavery."

THEREFORE, slavery did not cause the war.

Had slave states remained in the Union, there would have been no war.

THUS, secession caused the war. Not slavery.

Can you connect the dots?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Then there's this;

Nonsense. 620,000 didn't lose their lives in the North. And if you asked the northern whites "what are you fighting for?" Do you honestly believe they'd say "to free the negro."????

 

[ATL]

so your position is that secession caused the war and slavery caused secession, but slavery didn't cause the war?

Had Lincoln declared that the war was to end slavery, it would have been so. Neither he, nor anyone else, said "we are going to war to end slavery."

THEREFORE, slavery did not cause the war.

Had slave states remained in the Union, there would have been no war.

THUS, secession caused the war. Not slavery.

Can you connect the dots?

Yea, Lincoln knew he couldn't say he was fighting for the end of slavery, because there was still too many people on the fence about it. He did the same thing Trump did to win, instead of talking about building a wall, he said he didn't care to end slavery.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Yea, Lincoln knew he couldn't say he was fighting for the end of slavery, because there was still too many people on the fence about it. He did the same thing Trump did to win, instead of talking about building a wall, he said he didn't care to end slavery.

Do you have anything from Lincoln showing that he was lying in his inaugural address? Did he ever admit that he lied?

Otherwise, we can take him at his word. We can also look at how the war started. Slavery was not being abolished and no proposals had been seriously considered. Yet, a war started.

So, unless you can prove that Lincoln was lying in his inaugural address, your bait-and-switch theory is bullshit. Furthermore, unless you can prove that ANYONE said or wrote, at the start of the war, that THE WAR was to end slavery, the only statements we can rely on are the words universally used by all sides regarding the reason and cause of the war. TO SAVE THE UNION!

 

[ATL]

Yea, Lincoln knew he couldn't say he was fighting for the end of slavery, because there was still too many people on the fence about it. He did the same thing Trump did to win, instead of talking about building a wall, he said he didn't care to end slavery.

Do you have anything from Lincoln showing that he was lying in his inaugural address? Did he ever admit that he lied?

Otherwise, we can take him at his word. We can also look at how the war started. Slavery was not being abolished and no proposals had been seriously considered. Yet, a war started.

So, unless you can prove that Lincoln was lying in his inaugural address, your bait-and-switch theory is bullshit. Furthermore, unless you can prove that ANYONE said or wrote, at the start of the war, that THE WAR was to end slavery, the only statements we can rely on are the words universally used by all sides regarding the reason and cause of the war. TO SAVE THE UNION!

LoL, sure, how about this....actions speak louder than words?

Checkmate.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

My southern ideology? I was born in the north and still live here. I’ve said multiple times I couldn’t care less about the Confederacy or south rising again. Perhaps you should be more careful in putting words in people’s mouth.

Just because you live or grew in the north, doesn’t mean you cannot be a confederacy sympathizer. I know people that live in Illinois that loves the confederacy.

Literally just told you I’m not and there’s no greater on the subject of my views than me.

Sure seems strange to spend so much effort defending it then....if it walks like a duck....

It seems strange to you that a person would have an interest in a historical subject and view events differently from you?

Sure, can't wait to see your arguments for nazis and how Hitler was just mistaken.

And I'm as bored as a person could be now.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

LoL, sure, how about this....actions speak louder than words?

Checkmate.

Yes, actions do speak louder than words. And, no one took action to end slavery until the end of the war.

Checkmate. Again.

 

[Pellinore]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

So what? Who changed those laws? Discussion complete thank you.

Why don't you post the vote breakdown based upon geographical location? I'll give you some time to do so, before doing it for you and showing the board the intellectual dishonesty you are attempting to display.

Is what I posted true or not?

I can take this one. What you posted is true but it doesn't relate to the OP. The OP is talking about conservatives, while you are posting about the Republican party. Lincoln was a Liberal Republican, while the Congressmen who held a stranglehold on Civil Rights progress during the mid-20th century were Conservative Democrats. The parties did not align the way they do today.

I'll be happy to explain this to you in gory detail, but I won't be on again until tomorrow night at the earliest, and at the pace this thread is rocketing, I have a feeling everyone will have moved on.

 

[Pellinore]

Secession was about slavery. The Civil War wasnt about slavery. The Civil War was about secession.

Exactly. We have Lincoln's own words to back this up.

No you don't. You think you do because you're taking his letter to Horace Greeley out of context.

 

[gipper]

so your position is that secession caused the war and slavery caused secession, but slavery didn't cause the war?

Had Lincoln declared that the war was to end slavery, it would have been so. Neither he, nor anyone else, said "we are going to war to end slavery."

THEREFORE, slavery did not cause the war.

Had slave states remained in the Union, there would have been no war.

THUS, secession caused the war. Not slavery.

Can you connect the dots?

Yea, Lincoln knew he couldn't say he was fighting for the end of slavery, because there was still too many people on the fence about it. He did the same thing Trump did to win, instead of talking about building a wall, he said he didn't care to end slavery.

Good God...that is so incorrect. Lincoln had no intention of freeing the slaves. He NEVER wanted to free the slaves. He didn't give a shit about the slaves. In his first inaugural, he stated clearly and unambiguously that he would ensconce slavery into the Constitution, if that would keep the south in the Union. Why have you failed to read it? He was the worst kind of white supremacist, even in his day. He intended to deport all blacks after the war.

Lincoln was no saint. Rather...he was the opposite.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No you don't. You think you do because you're taking his letter to Horace Greeley out of context.

How are we taking that letter out of context?

What about Lincoln’s inaugural address? Are we taking that out of context as well? Go read it.