Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[ATL]

Awww damn, that cut deep.

Snowflake.

Since this has devolved into a bunch of poop flinging, I will go ahead and declare victory. It was NOT about slavery.

You lose and suck.

LoL, do you always rape English like this? Just because you holler out victory, doesn’t make it so. I don’t suck nearly as much as your little posse that showed up to protect your virginity.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

A LETTER FROM PRESIDENT LINCOLN.; Reply to Horace Greeley. Slavery and the Union The Restoration of the Union the Paramount Object.

EXECUTIVE MANSTON,

WASHINGTON, Aug. 22, 1862.

Hon. Horace Greeley:

DEAR SIR: I have just read yours of the 19th, addressed to myself through the New-York Tribune. If there be in it any statements or assumptions of fact which I may know to be erroneous, I do not now and here controvert them. If there be in it any inferences which I may believe to be falsely drawn, I do not now and here argue against them. If there be perceptible in it an impatient and dictatorial tone, I waive it in deference to an old friend, whose heart I have always supposed to be right.

As to the policy I "seem to be pursuing," as you say, I have not meant to leave any one in doubt.

I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time save Slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy Slavery, I do not agree with them.

My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone,

I would also do that. What I do about Slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union, and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views. I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty, and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men, everywhere, could be free. Yours,

A. LINCOLN.

A LETTER FROM PRESIDENT LINCOLN.; Reply to Horace Greeley. Slavery and the Union The Restoration of the Union the Paramount Object.

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Sixteen months into the war already.

From the President and Commander-in-Chief.

Mic drop.

Can somebody please pick up the mic and put it back on the stand?

 

[ATL]

You a fan of nazism like you are the confederacy? They mirror each other ideologically.

I am a fan of NEITHER, as I already said.

Mad because I am smarter than you, to the point where you got nothing but a bunch of pooh flinging?

Must suck to be as dumb as you.

Once again, English doesn’t agree with your abuse of it. You are the one stuck on repeat about how you claimed victory because your merry men decided to show up and obfuscate and deflect.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

LoL, do you always rape English like this? Just because you holler out victory, doesn’t make it so. I don’t suck nearly as much as your little posse that showed up to protect your virginity.

Did I make you mad when I kicked your ass in this argument about the cause of the war? You're acting mad.

You can admit it. We all know.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

That, and the big tough north was afraid the south would ally with some strong European power and kick their asses.

Which was more a power struggle than anything remotely resembling a human rights struggle.

The hypocrisy is nauseating.

Yes, the north was fighting to save their nation from falling apart.

The vast majority of people in the south wanted to remain in the United States. So who were the ones fighting for power over others? The white supremacists

It wasn't their nation. It was a nation.

They were fighting to keep a new entity that might form...ally with someone and make life tough for them. Can you imagine the arguments over the Mississippi ?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Once again, English doesn’t agree with your abuse of it. You are the one stuck on repeat about how you claimed victory because your merry men decided to show up and obfuscate and deflect.

Oh, please. Point out each and every grammatical mistake. I will wait.

 

[ATL]

LoL, do you always rape English like this? Just because you holler out victory, doesn’t make it so. I don’t suck nearly as much as your little posse that showed up to protect your virginity.

Did I make you mad when I kicked your ass in this argument about the cause of the war? You're acting mad.

You can admit it. We all know.

How can I get mad over something that never happened? The cause of the war is exactly what you and your compadres are ranting about, negros being freed and having equal standing under the law. Why else would your buddies make so many comments about “darkies, watermelons, etc”?

 

[Markle]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

So what? Who changed those laws? Discussion complete thank you.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --

Nobody claims that the "Civil" War was not about slavery but that slavery was but one issue among many that together were and are referred to as states rights. At bottom it is the issue of weather the State or federal government has final authority over what rights citizens have and what laws they will live by. Each state has it's own Constitution and laws. At the time some states had Constitutions and laws that allowed slavery while some didn't. The basic issue was which had authority and that has remained in conflict related to such issues as gay marriage, abortion, public land use, etc.

The US Constitution has authority

The federal government has no legitimate authority except that authorized by the US Constitution.

 

[ATL]

Once again, English doesn’t agree with your abuse of it. You are the one stuck on repeat about how you claimed victory because your merry men decided to show up and obfuscate and deflect.

Oh, please. Point out each and every grammatical mistake. I will wait.

Your abuse of the notion that you claimed victory over something that didn’t happen.

 

[ATL]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

So what? Who changed those laws? Discussion complete thank you.

Why don't you post the vote breakdown based upon geographical location? I'll give you some time to do so, before doing it for you and showing the board the intellectual dishonesty you are attempting to display.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

How can I get mad over something that never happened? The cause of the war is exactly what you and your compadres are ranting about, negros being freed and having equal standing under the law. Why else would your buddies make so many comments about “darkies, watermelons, etc”?

Well, explain why nobody tried to abolish slavery until the war was almost over.

You can't.

Because you're an idiot.

How does pointing out that FACT make me a person "ranting about (comma in the wrong place), negros being freed and having equal standing under the law" as you said? Show me ONE TIME where I used a derogatory racial slur.

YOU are the one who is ignoring logic and falling back on your emotions. YOU are the one lumping me in with others and ignoring the TRUTH.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Your abuse of the notion that you claimed victory over something that didn’t happen.

What grammar rule is that?

 

[harmonica]

The Civil War was fought over several issues, slavery being one but not the main one. More over state's rights.

A very small percentage of Southerners owned slaves.

I read in the book The Great American West that most whites did not own slaves

 

[harmonica]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

Americans, and clearly that means white Americans, are simply dishonest about race.

At no time in this country's history did white American believe that blacks were "that bad off", including during the height of Jim Crow atrocities.

It continues that way today, in where white Americans don't think that blacks "have it that bad" and firmly believe that it's WORSE to be CALLED racist than to have ACTUAL racism occur.

Conservatives are largely white, so....that's the long and short of it.

more bullshit
blacks are over represented in great jobs with great benefits--and this with blacks graduating high school at lower levels, meaning less are qualified for college
I've put out the links on this before on USMB

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The supermajority of those northern whites were also racist, and plenty were terrorists about it.

Sure, hang your hat on that argument like it will cover the racist conservative ideology. You see, people are free to be as racist as they want to be, but when racists make policies to oppress blacks, that’s is where the true fucked up mentality comes into play. The south wanted to keep chattel slavery, implemented Jim Crow, implemented redlining policies, support the basdardization of the police being used as negro judge, jury, and executioners, while the north was always looked to be the place where the negro had to flee in order to escape people like those of you defending the confederacy.

Your whole argument here is dependent on you trying to denigrate the north because your southern ideology has been shown to be not only racist, but intellectually retarded.

My southern ideology? I was born in the north and still live here. I’ve said multiple times I couldn’t care less about the Confederacy or south rising again. Perhaps you should be more careful in putting words in people’s mouth.

Just because you live or grew in the north, doesn’t mean you cannot be a confederacy sympathizer. I know people that live in Illinois that loves the confederacy.

Literally just told you I’m not and there’s no greater on the subject of my views than me.

Sure seems strange to spend so much effort defending it then....if it walks like a duck....

It seems strange to you that a person would have an interest in a historical subject and view events differently from you?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The Civil War was fought over several issues, slavery being one but not the main one. More over state's rights.

A very small percentage of Southerners owned slaves.

I read in the book The Great American West that most whites did not own slaves

Something like 5%

 

[kaz]

Thats bullshit. For the south it was about economics. No one sat there and said they wanted slaves. They wanted agriculture. Slaves were a tool not an end for them.

And slavery had nothing to do with the north going to war at all

LoL, yea, it was strictly about slavery, more clearly, negro chattel slavery. Which is why so many historical documents from the confederacy mentioned negro slavery, their opposition to freeing them and giving them equal rights, and their willingness to fight the union over it.

History will not be changed because your ideology is found to be ******* racist.

So you think some dumb negro can't make it on their own without a lower bar and a handout and I don't. The racist is clear, Grand Dragon. Darkies are to remain on the Democrat plantation or you'll hung them down and destroy them

If that dumb negro was compared to you, then sure I’d agree he would be a much higher intelligent being.

Yes, I'm so dumb I don't want government handouts. You didn't think that insult through, did you?

You offer blacks a lower bar and more handouts. And if they don't take it, you go after them like you did Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Condie Rice and any other black that dares leave your racist Democrat plantation. You're not bribing blacks to vote for Democrats as if they have a choice

I also offer the same lower bar to the white deadbeats living in Kentucky, why don’t you care about them as much as you seem to do about blacks...rhetorical question.

Also...Colin Powell? The same Colin that you and your ilk denigrated when he supported Obama? So much for your bullshit.

No, you don't offer whites the same deal. You don't target whites for destruction if they attempt to turn down your dependency deal anything like you target blacks. You send slave hunters to bring blacks back by any means necessary. Face it, this isn't a no you are game, you actually are a racist, the real thing. It's just as racist to think blacks are pets like you do as it is to enslave them.

And you think I'm a Republican, the stupid from you never stops

 

[ATL]

LoL, yea, it was strictly about slavery, more clearly, negro chattel slavery. Which is why so many historical documents from the confederacy mentioned negro slavery, their opposition to freeing them and giving them equal rights, and their willingness to fight the union over it.

History will not be changed because your ideology is found to be ******* racist.

So you think some dumb negro can't make it on their own without a lower bar and a handout and I don't. The racist is clear, Grand Dragon. Darkies are to remain on the Democrat plantation or you'll hung them down and destroy them

If that dumb negro was compared to you, then sure I’d agree he would be a much higher intelligent being.

Yes, I'm so dumb I don't want government handouts. You didn't think that insult through, did you?

You offer blacks a lower bar and more handouts. And if they don't take it, you go after them like you did Herman Cain, Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Condie Rice and any other black that dares leave your racist Democrat plantation. You're not bribing blacks to vote for Democrats as if they have a choice

I also offer the same lower bar to the white deadbeats living in Kentucky, why don’t you care about them as much as you seem to do about blacks...rhetorical question.

Also...Colin Powell? The same Colin that you and your ilk denigrated when he supported Obama? So much for your bullshit.

No, you don't offer whites the same deal. You don't target whites for destruction if they attempt to turn down your dependency deal anything like you target blacks. You send slave hunters to bring blacks back by any means necessary. Face it, this isn't a no you are game, you actually are a racist, the real thing. It's just as racist to think blacks are pets like you do as it is to enslave them.

And you think I'm a Republican, the stupid from you never stops

Yet your "go to" was to bring up blacks and handouts, I didn't bring it up.

 

[ATL]

Sure, hang your hat on that argument like it will cover the racist conservative ideology. You see, people are free to be as racist as they want to be, but when racists make policies to oppress blacks, that’s is where the true fucked up mentality comes into play. The south wanted to keep chattel slavery, implemented Jim Crow, implemented redlining policies, support the basdardization of the police being used as negro judge, jury, and executioners, while the north was always looked to be the place where the negro had to flee in order to escape people like those of you defending the confederacy.

Your whole argument here is dependent on you trying to denigrate the north because your southern ideology has been shown to be not only racist, but intellectually retarded.

My southern ideology? I was born in the north and still live here. I’ve said multiple times I couldn’t care less about the Confederacy or south rising again. Perhaps you should be more careful in putting words in people’s mouth.

Just because you live or grew in the north, doesn’t mean you cannot be a confederacy sympathizer. I know people that live in Illinois that loves the confederacy.

Literally just told you I’m not and there’s no greater on the subject of my views than me.

Sure seems strange to spend so much effort defending it then....if it walks like a duck....

It seems strange to you that a person would have an interest in a historical subject and view events differently from you?

Sure, can't wait to see your arguments for nazis and how Hitler was just mistaken.