Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[rightwinger]

According to the tenth amendment to the Constitution, anything that is not expressly prohibited by the Constitution is allowed. Therefore, all states have a Constitutional right to secede. ... Although this amendment does not explicitly forbid secession, some have argued that it does so implicitly.Dec 28, 2003

Seems the 10th disagrees with you

The very premise of the Constitution is the joining of states.
The courts do not recognize the right to secede

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

No slavery, no secession.

The war was about slavery. Period.

No secession, no war.

The war was about secession, Period.

 

[g5000]

The topic title has been proven. In spades.

And the subjects of the topic matter have been proved right....in spades.

It sure seems important to you to deny the root cause of the war was slavery. I wonder why that is.

Even the secessionists admitted that was the reason. Yet you deny it.

 

[Claudette]

According to the tenth amendment to the Constitution, anything that is not expressly prohibited by the Constitution is allowed. Therefore, all states have a Constitutional right to secede. ... Although this amendment does not explicitly forbid secession, some have argued that it does so implicitly.Dec 28, 2003

Seems the 10th disagrees with you

The very premise of the Constitution is the joining of states.
The courts do not recognize the right to secede

Seems the Constitution doesn't agree with you.

According to the tenth amendment to the Constitution, anything that is not expressly prohibited by the Constitution is allowed. Therefore, all states have a Constitutional right to secede. ... Although this amendment does not explicitly forbid secession, some have argued that it does so implicitly.Dec 28, 2003

 

[rightwinger]

If secession was illegal, i would probably be on the other side of the fence on this. But it wasnt illegal.

Secession was, is, and always will be illegal.

“The constitution of a confederated republic, that is, of a national republic, formed of several states, is, or at least may be, not less an irrevocable form of government, than the constitution of a state formed and ratified by the aggregate of the several counties of the state.” Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story

Yet we now have West Virginia, GO FIGURE. LMAO


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West Virginia remained in the union
They did not secede

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

It sure seems important to you to deny the root cause of the war was slavery. I wonder why that is.

Even the secessionists admitted that was the reason. Yet you deny it.

See post #536

I wonder why you can't admit that the Union was not trying to stop slavery when the war started.

 

[August West]

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All of the slaves were freed dumbass.

 

[rightwinger]

No slavery, no secession.

The root cause of the war was about slavery. Period.

The Confederacy was formed to create a slave state

 

[OKTexas]

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation - US Constitution, Article 1, Section 10

They had already left the union, so they weren't States under the Constitution. NEXT!


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[whitehall]

Most liberals don't believe that the flag that flew off the stern of slave ships was the Stars and Stripes and not the Stars and Bars. The Portuguese were the biggest slave traders and the Spanish and the British. Yankee cotton mills depended on the slave trade and whaling ships were converted to slave ships. The Confederacy only existed for about four or five years but slavery went on in the New World for two hundred.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I see a lot of people throwing Lincoln under the bus with the "Lincoln didn't give a shit about slaves"

I'll make sure to remember that when Republicans are forced to defend their poor track record on Civil rights by saying "but but but we are the party of Lincoln"

Southern Soldiers Saved Us in All Our Other Wars

Lincoln forced Americans to kill other Americans on behalf of Africans. That is the lowest form of treason.

 

[August West]

If secession was illegal, i would probably be on the other side of the fence on this. But it wasnt illegal.








AAAAAAAnd you guys suck off tyrants. And like it.

Our Constitution made provisions for states joint the union. They said nothing about leaving it

Secession was treason

Really, it doesn't meet the Constitutional definition of treason.


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If it wasn`t treason can we call the firing on Ft. Sumter southern terrorism? Choose one or the other or you can choose both.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

True or false:

When the war started, the Union (for the most part) was not attempting to abolish slavery, including Lincoln.

 

[Claudette]

Yup and a lot of the people who were slaves were sold into slavery by their own people. One to many sons or daughters, captured enemies.

The Arabs also played a big part in slavery.

Hell in some countries slavery is still practiced even today.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Take a look at the full title of this document which created the United States.


Note the words "PERPETUAL UNION" to which all parties consented.

And how long did the Perpetual Union established by the Articles of Confederation last? 13 years roughly? Wasn't that perpetual then was it?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

If secession was illegal, i would probably be on the other side of the fence on this. But it wasnt illegal.








AAAAAAAnd you guys suck off tyrants. And like it.

Our Constitution made provisions for states joint the union. They said nothing about leaving it

Secession was treason

Thus secession was legal per the 10th Amendment.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

 

[Claudette]

True or false:

When the war started, the Union (for the most part) was not attempting to abolish slavery, including Lincoln.

I agree. Lincoln wasn't going after slavery. In fact he barely mentioned it.

 

[OKTexas]

the states in the south were different than the North...in the North the states congregated together...they shared their goals....the New England States hung together, the TRi State alliance of Penn, NJ, NY, hung together....

there was no such thing in the south...each state, stood on their own....they had more of an independent existence...until they joined together, in secession and the Civil War.... and I think even then, they had independent State Calvary and Regiments....

so, in a way....it did have a bit more than just Slavery that set them apart from the rest of the States...imo..... a year ago I didn't think this, but since I have been working on my Ancestry and reading more on local and historic papers and news articles, books.... I think it was the Spirit of the South that was always different from the north...

Yep, it was pretty much the same as today, the fly over States resent the populous coastal States trying to dictate the way they live.


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[Kevin_Kennedy]

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation - US Constitution, Article 1, Section 10

Begs the question. The Constitution could only bind states that were in a union under the constitution.

 

[TNHarley]

The topic title has been proven. In spades.

You have really shown some stupidity in this thread. Im starting to wonder if you are an Rderp sock