Most Conservatives Still Believe The Civil War Wasn't Over Slavery

[rightwinger]

More than 150 years later, the losers still won't take responsibility for the war. As if the US was supposed to just let them secede over slavery.

The war was about slavery. Period.

Why shouldn't they have been allowed to secede? Personally, I wish they had been allowed so I wouldn't have to deal with horrible people like George W. Bush today.

There are no provisions in the Constitution for secession. If the founders intended for states to come and go as they please, they would have established a procedure to do so.
Instead, they had provisions for joining the union and nothing about leaving it

The 2nd, 9th and 10th Amendments left that decision to the States and the people of those States.


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The Supreme Court says otherwise

The Supreme court are not our rulers.

They define the Constitution

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

If secession was illegal, i would probably be on the other side of the fence on this. But it wasnt illegal.

Secession was, is, and always will be illegal.

“The constitution of a confederated republic, that is, of a national republic, formed of several states, is, or at least may be, not less an irrevocable form of government, than the constitution of a state formed and ratified by the aggregate of the several counties of the state.” Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story

Where does it say that in the Constitution? Where was this stated at the Philadelphia convention where the Constitution was drafted? Who put forward this argument during the ratification conventions in the states?

 

[g5000]

Take a look at the full title of this document which created the United States.


Note the words "PERPETUAL UNION" to which all parties consented.

 

[rightwinger]

If secession was illegal, i would probably be on the other side of the fence on this. But it wasnt illegal.








AAAAAAAnd you guys suck off tyrants. And like it.

Our Constitution made provisions for states joint the union. They said nothing about leaving it

Secession was treason

 

[Claudette]

Slavery was one part of it but States Rights was the bigger part.

And here we see the willful blindness of which I so often speak.

I have posted TWICE in this topic the declarations of secession. And those declarations state at least 82 TIMES the cause of slavery as their reason for seceding.

I think we can now state the topic title has been unequivocally proven to be true.

I've read many articles about the Civil War.

The economics of slavery was part of it but State Rights was a bigger part.

One has to wonder why the people in the south flocked to fight a civil war for slavers.

I doubt they gave slavery a thought. They were proud of their States and would fight for them. States Rights.

 

[OKTexas]

Even after the civil war, blacks were kept in virtual slavery in the South for another century. We'd probably still have slavery today if not for the Civil War.

International Social Justice Commission: A Blight on the Nation: Slavery in Today's America


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[g5000]

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation - US Constitution, Article 1, Section 10

 

[TNHarley]

If secession was illegal, i would probably be on the other side of the fence on this. But it wasnt illegal.

Secession was, is, and always will be illegal.

“The constitution of a confederated republic, that is, of a national republic, formed of several states, is, or at least may be, not less an irrevocable form of government, than the constitution of a state formed and ratified by the aggregate of the several counties of the state.” Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story

Did you just quote a book? LOL

 

[g5000]

Slavery was one part of it but States Rights was the bigger part.

And here we see the willful blindness of which I so often speak.

I have posted TWICE in this topic the declarations of secession. And those declarations state at least 82 TIMES the cause of slavery as their reason for seceding.

I think we can now state the topic title has been unequivocally proven to be true.

I've read many articles about the Civil War.

And yet you have not read the actual declarations of secession, have you.

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world."

 

[OKTexas]

More than 150 years later, the losers still won't take responsibility for the war. As if the US was supposed to just let them secede over slavery.

The war was about slavery. Period.

Why shouldn't they have been allowed to secede? Personally, I wish they had been allowed so I wouldn't have to deal with horrible people like George W. Bush today.

There are no provisions in the Constitution for secession. If the founders intended for states to come and go as they please, they would have established a procedure to do so.
Instead, they had provisions for joining the union and nothing about leaving it

The 2nd, 9th and 10th Amendments left that decision to the States and the people of those States.


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The Supreme Court says otherwise

Yeah they thought Dread Scott was a good idea too. BTW that decision wasn't rendered until AFTER the war was over. What do you think the decision would have been had the south won? Don't pretend the supremes are infallible.


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[TNHarley]

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation - US Constitution, Article 1, Section 10

That would be ta good point if they didnt secede

 

[g5000]

If secession was illegal, i would probably be on the other side of the fence on this. But it wasnt illegal.

Secession was, is, and always will be illegal.

“The constitution of a confederated republic, that is, of a national republic, formed of several states, is, or at least may be, not less an irrevocable form of government, than the constitution of a state formed and ratified by the aggregate of the several counties of the state.” Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story

Did you just quote a book? LOL

I quoted an authority on this subject. Unlike you.

I know books are anathema to most of the posters on this forum.

Sad.

 

[TNHarley]

Take a look at the full title of this document which created the United States.


Note the words "PERPETUAL UNION" to which all parties consented.

The articles of confederation? Some papers that were voided in 1787?
OMG

 

[TNHarley]

If secession was illegal, i would probably be on the other side of the fence on this. But it wasnt illegal.








AAAAAAAnd you guys suck off tyrants. And like it.

Our Constitution made provisions for states joint the union. They said nothing about leaving it

Secession was treason

Show me where secession was illegal.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Civil War still divides Americans

So after 150 years, the majority of conservatives still believe the Civil War wasn't over slavery?

Why is this? Why do they believe the "States Rights" claim is sufficient enough to shield them from the fact that -- those states rights were those states preserving the right to maintain slavery -- so either way you slice it, the civil war was over slavery --


This is why whenever I see a conservative twisting themselves into pretzels to claim otherwise --- it makes their subsequent claims of not being racist look foolish.


Next time conservatives want to pretend that the Civil War wasn't over slavery -- they better travel back in time and tell all of those southern states to stop telling everyone it was over slavery

The Civil War was over a state's right to secede.

The reason they seceded was slavery. or the fear U.S. expansion would put slave states in the minority.

But, make no mistake. The war was about seceding. Read Lincoln's inaugural address.

The issue was slavery

They never would have seceded if not for trying to preserve slavery forever

"Racism" Means Realism

Slavery saved the Blacks from savagery.

 

[Care4all]

the states in the south were different than the North...in the North the states congregated together...they shared their goals....the New England States hung together, the TRi State alliance of Penn, NJ, NY, hung together....

there was no such thing in the south...each state, stood on their own....they had more of an independent existence...until they joined together, in secession and the Civil War.... and I think even then, they had independent State Calvary and Regiments....

so, in a way....it did have a bit more than just Slavery that set them apart from the rest of the States...imo..... a year ago I didn't think this, but since I have been working on my Ancestry and reading more on local and historic papers and news articles, books.... I think it was the Spirit of the South that was always different from the north...

 

[g5000]

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation - US Constitution, Article 1, Section 10

That would be ta good point if they didnt secede

It proves they committed an illegal act, which you claimed they did not.

 

[tyroneweaver]

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I grew up in TN is that racist?

Only if you think Elvis didn't steal his style from black folks

I’m surprised you haven’t protested the fact that I own you

 

[TNHarley]

If secession was illegal, i would probably be on the other side of the fence on this. But it wasnt illegal.

Secession was, is, and always will be illegal.

“The constitution of a confederated republic, that is, of a national republic, formed of several states, is, or at least may be, not less an irrevocable form of government, than the constitution of a state formed and ratified by the aggregate of the several counties of the state.” Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story

Did you just quote a book? LOL

I quoted an authority on this subject. Unlike you.

I know books are anathema to most of the posters on this forum.

Sad.

You quoted a BOOK.
Show me where secession was illegal, you goddamn hack.

 

[g5000]

"Perpetual Union".

Indisputable. But of course the sore losers try anyway.