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We all choose what we will believe and what we will not. If you were to pass away and your close relatives gave permission to allow the church baptize you vicariously, we would do it. We don't go off of what an individual believed in this life but allow them the possibility to have changed their mind once in world of spirits. Like I have stated several times before, it is in the spirit world where you will have to make your final decision. There you can reject it and it will not be binding upon you and will have no effect.
I am a spirit, I am in the spirit world. I am with the Lord. Your claim is that as a spirit I would have to look to someone back on earth to make things right for me. Why? Because those in the spirit world (including the Lord) have no power? You, not the Lord, have the power? (And some get upset that I label this as a kind of idolatry.)

You may not recognize it, but Catholics and LDS are close in respect to those who have passed on. We pray for those who have passed on, and I know, absolutely, those prayers have power. Not once have I had to be a proxy to anyone to have these prayers heard. I do not question what is in your hearts; I do question your lack of reverence for the freedom of will God bestowed on each of us. Unless your LDS Church has MY authority for you to become MY proxy, no relative, no matter how close has any authority to turn me over to one of your proxies. For this reason alone, your ceremonies are invalid. Then an LDS statement here that the spirit in the afterlife can just reject your rite after it is done is an admission that the LDS church has no respect for its own rituals since they say outright that ritual can be shunned once done. It is an admission your rituals have no power. We agree on that point as well.

So why not leave it with prayer and acknowledge the power of prayer and the results are in the hands of the Lord.
 

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So, you believe that every prophecy of Joseph Smith was without error?
I never got the idea why prophets of God should be flawless, as well as their words. They were just humans, after all.
They are not flawless. They are men with imperfections the same as you or I. There are times where the Lord has disciplined Joseph Smith for not caring more for his wife or for not taking the Lord's answer to one of his questions as the final answer such as in the case of Martin Harris and the lost manuscript. However, I believe God sees the future and knows he can rely on those whom he chooses unless they are chosen for certain outcomes as in the case of Judas Iscariot.
It may be. But I have to admit that my perception of God differs from the Christians' one.
 

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I never got the idea why prophets of God should be flawless, as well as their words. They were just humans, after all.
Jonah is an excellent example of this.

God called him as a prophet, and told him to go to Nineveh and tell them to repent of their wickedness, or else God was going to have to kick their asses.

So, what did Jonah do? He got on a boat headed as far away from Nineveh as he hoped to get. God had to go to some rather unusual measures to get Jonah to go to Nineveh.

When Jonah finally got there, instead of telling the Ninevans to repent or their ass was going to get kicked, he just told them that they were wicked,and God was going to kick their assess. He then found himself a good place on a mountain to sit with a big box of popcorn and a 32-ounce Super-Squencher, and watch the ass-kicking.

In the mean time, in spite of Jonah having screwed up the message, the Ninevans got it anyway, and repented, so the ass-kicking didn't happen.

The last chapter of Jonah's story is about God teaching Jonah what all of that was about, and showing him where he went wrong.
 
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So....if you are a Mormon, can you explain the concept of what it is and why you chose that path? Did you do it on your own, or were you born into it due to family? What do you like/dislike about it?
If I were Mormon, which I am not. I'd be loathe to answer such a personal question.
What's personal about it? You either have faith in what you believe in or ya don't. I have the same question about another religion but haven't posted it yet. Perhaps you should refrain from entering the thread if you think its too personal.
 

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You either have faith in what you believe in or ya don't
A person's faith is a personal thing. Unless you're attempting to convert someone to your faith, there is no reason to justify it to another.

There is no reason for unsolicited prying into the beliefs of others unless you want to dissuade them from it.
 

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Yes, that's the standard reply. However, that's not the biblical test of a prophet. According to Deuteronomy, if a person claiming to be a prophet of God is wrong only once, they are a false prophet. That's the Word of God.
So, when Jonah told the people of Nineveh that God was going to kick their asses, instead of telling them to repent or else God would kick their asses; when Jonah was disappointed when he sat up on the mountain waiting to watch the ass-kicking that never took place because the Ninevans did repent; was Jonah a false prophet?

The standard you cite is absurd and impossible. There has only been one man, in the entire history of humanity, that has never been wrong, even once. By your standard, it is impossible for anyone other than Jesus himself to have been a prophet of God.
 

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I never got the idea why prophets of God should be flawless, as well as their words. They were just humans, after all.
Jonah is an excellent example of this.

God called him as a prophet, and told him to go to Nineveh and tell them to repent of their wickedness, or else God was going to have to kick their asses.

So, what did Jonah do? He got on a boat headed as far away from Nineveh as he hoped to get. God had to go to some rather unusual measures to get Jonah to go to Nineveh.

When Jonah finally got there, instead of telling the Ninevans to repent or their ass was going to get kicked, he just told them that they were wicked,and God was going to kick their assess. He then found himself a good place on a mountain to sit with a big box of popcorn and a 32-ounce Super-Squencher, and watch the ass-kicking.

In the mean time, in spite of Jonah having screwed up the message, the Ninevans got it anyway, and repented, so the ass-kicking didn't happen.

The last chapter of Jonah's story is about God teaching Jonah what all of that was about, and showing him where he went wrong.
Jonah is the Standard example mormons use when defending the prophetic errors of Smith. Read this carefully. Please.
 

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You either have faith in what you believe in or ya don't
A person's faith is a personal thing. Unless you're attempting to convert someone to your faith, there is no reason to justify it to another.

There is no reason for unsolicited prying into the beliefs of others unless you want to dissuade them from it.
Education and information. Nothing wrong with making an informed decision about something so important.
 

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Yes, that's the standard reply. However, that's not the biblical test of a prophet. According to Deuteronomy, if a person claiming to be a prophet of God is wrong only once, they are a false prophet. That's the Word of God.
So, when Jonah told the people of Nineveh that God was going to kick their asses, instead of telling them to repent or else God would kick their asses; when Jonah was disappointed when he sat up on the mountain waiting to watch the ass-kicking that never took place because the Ninevans did repent; was Jonah a false prophet?

The standard you cite is absurd and impossible. There has only been one man, in the entire history of humanity, that has never been wrong, even once. By your standard, it is impossible for anyone other than Jesus himself to have been a prophet of God.

Of course people make mistakes, BUT if anyone claims "Thus says the Lord", it has to happen. The Lord doesn't lie. People lie.
 

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Yes, that's the standard reply. However, that's not the biblical test of a prophet. According to Deuteronomy, if a person claiming to be a prophet of God is wrong only once, they are a false prophet. That's the Word of God.
There is that, and the fact Joseph Smith was a con man--no doubt about it. However...

Whatever the beginnings of the LDS Church, look where it is today. God and His Holy Spirit meets His people where they are and shepherds them from that place. While Joseph Smith may well have been a false prophet, the people (at least as much as any other people) have not been false, and I believe the Holy Spirit is upon it as much as any other faith or denomination. While I have a huge problem with one of their rituals, the people of this faith have been a great blessing to my life.
 

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Jonah is the Standard example mormons use when defending the prophetic errors of Smith. Read this carefully. Please.
Are you somehow under the impression that posting the same dishonest bullshit twice makes it any less bullshit?
 

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Yes, that's the standard reply. However, that's not the biblical test of a prophet. According to Deuteronomy, if a person claiming to be a prophet of God is wrong only once, they are a false prophet. That's the Word of God.
There is that, and the fact Joseph Smith was a con man--no doubt about it. However...

Whatever the beginnings of the LDS Church, look where it is today. God and His Holy Spirit meets His people where they are and shepherds them from that place. While Joseph Smith may well have been a false prophet, the people (at least as much as any other people) have not been false, and I believe the Holy Spirit is upon it as much as any other faith or denomination. While I have a huge problem with one of their rituals, the people of this faith have been a great blessing to my life.
Mormons are wonderful people. I love them. I love them enough to tell them the truth. I know many mormons that have left the organization and put their faith in Jesus. Jesus saves, not Mormonism
 

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Jonah is the Standard example mormons use when defending the prophetic errors of Smith. Read this carefully. Please.
Are you somehow under the impression that posting the same dishonest bullshit twice makes it any less bullshit?
You haven't read it. Go ahead.
 

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You either have faith in what you believe in or ya don't
A person's faith is a personal thing. Unless you're attempting to convert someone to your faith, there is no reason to justify it to another.

There is no reason for unsolicited prying into the beliefs of others unless you want to dissuade them from it.
Education and information. Nothing wrong with making an informed decision about something so important.
That would be equivalent to a perfect stranger asking you to justify your choice of spouse.

The factors that go into making such an important, and personal, decision cannot be fully articulated to a stranger.
 

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Are you somehow under the impression that posting the same dishonest bullshit twice makes it any less bullshit?
You haven't read it. Go ahead.
I've read that article, and others on that bullshit site, many times, probably long before you ever knew that site existed.

You do realize, do you no, that that particular site exists for no other purpose than to spread lies and slander about my religion? Only an ignorant cretin would take anything from such a site as that as being in any way credible. Or someone who shares their irrational obsession with slandering the Mormon faith.

Merely by citing such a source, you demonstrate that you are nobody to be taken seriously.
 

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You either have faith in what you believe in or ya don't
A person's faith is a personal thing. Unless you're attempting to convert someone to your faith, there is no reason to justify it to another.

There is no reason for unsolicited prying into the beliefs of others unless you want to dissuade them from it.
Education and information. Nothing wrong with making an informed decision about something so important.
That would be equivalent to a perfect stranger asking you to justify your choice of spouse.

The factors that go into making such an important, and personal, decision cannot be fully articulated to a stranger.
Well, if you were married to a total fraud wouldn't you want to know?
 

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Are you somehow under the impression that posting the same dishonest bullshit twice makes it any less bullshit?
You haven't read it. Go ahead.
I've read that article, and others on that bullshit site, many times, probably long before you ever knew that site existed.

You do realize, do you no, that that particular site exists for no other purpose than to spread lies and slander about my religion? Only an ignorant cretin would take anything from such a site as that as being in any way credible. Or someone who shares their irrational obsession with slandering the Mormon faith.

Merely by citing such a source, you demonstrate that you are nobody to be taken seriously.
That site is made up of ex Mormons. There are many groups of ex mormons that reach out to mormons.
 

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That site is made up of ex Mormons. There are many groups of ex mormons that reach out to mormons.
Bullshit.

I've been familiar with that site, and it's lies, surely much longer than you have.

Merely by citing it as a source, and treating it as if it has any credibility, you have effectively admitted that you have lost this argument, and that you never had any truth behind you to begin with.
 

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Actually....and I might get in trouble for saying this...but every religion peoples I have run into that were NOT kind or nice are....christians.:(
Very judgemental, ready to argue their faith, use scare tactics to persuade you to be Christian or else yougo to hell and burn forever if you don't do this or that. Which is why I consider myself pagan-christian. A bit of both but with the same God/Jesus. Not goddesses.
The first girl to ever literally proposition me for some come-of-age sexual experimentation...was a warm, friendly, intelligent muslim African girl in a robe and towel-turban (what do they call them?). She actually sweetly asked me if I'd like to experiment between the sheets with her! I was just 16 and she was about the same. I was utterly shocked, and to tell the truth I chickened out. Wish I hadn't. I'm a very Nordic/Germanic white guy and I kind of lean toward religions like Buddhism and Hinduism, but exotic faiths have always interested me intellectually and even spiritually at times. I also dated a nice Jewish girls for awhile and several Catholics. Never dated a protestant. Interesting. I never thought about why...
 

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