More Tales Of White Supremacy And White Privilege

[Andylusion]

1. We have no reason to doubt his version of the story. Not all stories are nuanced.

Do you think it would be correct for a black person to doubt the story of white man who got a black person the sack ?

2. Your version is based on nothing but you being a racist asshole.

I don't believe a word of Andylusion story..

I've seen it million of times.

Many (Not all) whites and non blacks will often do their best to piss a black person off in work. They'll try to get you angry and if the blk person reacts ? They'll go right into victim mode and then they'll run their asses right down to HR

Now if you are black janitor, black cleaner then whites will often super kind to him or her. Or if you are black person, and you act kinda gay or goofy, then your the entertainment.

But all I read from Andylusion (And bear in mind he's had time to think about this) he was with a masculine, no smiling or joking black men, who was in a superior position to him and who was very serious about his work

When he says this

Andylusion
Most of my bosses have been friends. Most of them. I've been very close friends with most of my managers, bosses, and business owners. In fact, I think I've only had maybe 3 truly terrible bosses, that I was most certainly not friends with.

That tells me. He's never been around any real men and he's more on the feminine side. Not the masculine. Not only do I not want my boss as my friend. I don't want any friends from work.

Also I think he was lying about this too. I'm pretty confident to say that all his bosses who he claimed were friends are not even in his cell phone.

I don't know how you deal with people like these righties on USMB. They don't get it. They can't admit blame or responsibility or even willful negligence.

Those black guys put their fists up at the Olympics, they demonized. Kappernick? Demonized. Treyvon Martin, Demonized. BLM? THey are so racist and ignorant they don't get it. Well hopefully the youth gets it. I really hope black people show up this November we need to take this country back from these people.

They did a good job convincing you us liberals are no better well guess what? Black people aren't any better than us liberals either. You guys have racist opinions of whites. You can be prejustice. You can discriminate too. You objectify women. You get offended when we compare your struggle to that of gays.

So no one is perfect but at least now you realize who the true enemy is. I'm the white guy in corporate America who believes in diversity. These cons are the ones who don't hire blacks and don't even acknowledge their bias even though we see it here daily.

No one "demonized" Treyvon Martin. We looked at his history, and the facts of the case, and stated those facts. He was a criminal, who attacked someone, and got shot for it.... and rightly so.

That is not demonizing. That stating reality.

Now Kappernick is demonized for sure. And rightly so. Sorry... but people don't watch sports to be lectured at.

And honestly, Kappernick is a spoiled arrogant brat. You make $126 MILLION Dollars...... to play a GAME.... and you want to sit around complaining that America is evil and racists? You want to protest what exactly? You make $126 Million dollars, and live a life that 99.9% of the entire planet, can't even dream about.... and you want to protest? We have families of four, living in Mexico, living inside a refrigerate box, and you want to complain about how horribly oppressed you are with $126 Million dollars to play a game? In Rwanda they slaughtered one million people with machetes, hacking them to death, including women with infants, that had their heads sliced open by machete.... and you want to complain about how oppressed you are with your $126 Million to play a game?

Kappernick was a worthless pile of dog poo, and he was demonized, and he was demonized rightly so. A spoiled brat living a dream life, and having the arrogance to whine about the country that let him live that dream life, by playing a game.

I'm the white guy in corporate America who believes in diversity. These cons are the ones who don't hire blacks and don't even acknowledge their bias even though we see it here daily.

Yeah, we have to admit to something that isn't true?

I can't "acknowledge" something that is clearly incorrect. Cons are the ones that don't hire blacks? When? Where? Name one?

Not true.

 

[MizMolly]

There are a vast number of black men and women who have yet to reach 70 that witnessed real discrimination, who also have still living relatives who experienced it.

And that justifies discrimination against whites now, how?

You are the one who stated that you would listen to any elderly black person that experienced discrimination. I only pointed out that they are out there in abundance.

On the otherl hand, there is no metric that exists that proves through measuring employment, home ownership, average salary or college graduation rates that reflect any widescale discrimination against white citizens that has had a widespread effect on a national basis.

1. And I stated that I have found that such elderly black people are pretty happy just being treated as equals, and don't seem to need nor expect, nor want, special favoritism based on their being black.

2. ONE small limited example, of hard evidence of documented discrimination is the discrimination show in Ivy League admissions.

1. Of course the average elderly person of any race is less concerned about opportunities tha tg have already been missed. Furthermore the average elderly black person would likely be guarded about what they would even discuss with you.

Most elderly black people that I know are more concerned about their final years being enjoyable. But if they had an opportunity to live their lives over, they would not view legislation to ensure equality as "favoritism".

2. Yes that is definitely a VERY LIMITED example. There is no evidence that white applicants have been or are being displaced on a broad scale by by black applicants.

My bro works hr Fortune 500. Blacks and women who are qualified are very highly sought after. Even not qualified are getting opportunities and white dudes are getting passed up because the ceo wants a diversity candidate.

Make no mistake this is changing peoples lives. Getting the vp job is like a golden ticket. Now you’re in the $500k a year league plus stocks and golden parachutes. Lots of white guys are bitter when they go with the diversity candidate.

White women mostly benefit from this. Holy shit if you can find a black woman you’ve hit the jackpot.

And a black or women will make $1mill a year. My brothers replacement took a better job for double. Now she’s hiring him to go work with her because she’s in over her head.

Are there EVER examples where a white person might not get hired or asks for help because they are not qualified or are in over their heads?"

Of course there are. Many whites were turned down for employment at places o worked.

You aren’t getting it. Far too many times incompetent whites get the job because of white privilege and too many blacks aren’t getting the job because of bias.

I said it before. It doesn’t matter if you morons get it. Big corporations do and they’re workingon diversifying.

How do you know why whites are getting jobs? And I am getting it. I answered the question that was posed.

Your question suggests you don’t get it.

Listen lady, you women benefitted the most from affirmative action. How did we know back then why white women weren’t ever getting the jobs?

Did bias play a part? Of course. To this day men are afraid to hire a women because they worry shes going to have a baby and either quit or not devote as much attention to the job as a man would as soon as she pops the kid out

You know exactly why women back then didn’t get the jobs. It was because of ignorant, male chauvinists who decided they had to be in charge. Contrary to what you may believe, women are smart and can be more capable and worthy of their careers than some men.

Wow! Look at how quickly your attitude changed when we stopped talking about blacks and brought up women.

Suddenly you’re getting it? This is the problem with conservatives. No empathy unless it’s happening to them.

So for the record I agree with you about women but for some reason you don’t agree when it comes to blacks. Could it be because you lack empathy for them?

You seem to have no empathy for whites, especially white males, who are getting the short end of the "push for diversity".

And he imagines things, like saying I don’t agree when it comes to blacks. He didn’t elaborate, but I don’t know where that came from.

Well lets see. You said this "How do you know why whites are getting jobs?"

So I flipped it and instead of blacks I made it about women. Suddenly you became a defender of Affirmative Action.

So I ask you, How do you know why men are getting the jobs instead of women?

To this day women are still the biggest benefitters of Affirmative Action.

I've heard a lot of libs make that claim. Sounds like bullshit. Blacks get the big benefits. Massive sat bonus in college admissions,for one limited example.

That's because a lot of women go to college and they go to good public schools not inner city shit hole schools.

It's not a claim it's a fact. Apparently one that makes you feel uncomfortable.

I've already told you about Maria. She replaced my brother. The CEO insisted on a diversity candidate. They eventually went with Maria because my brother said he would train/teach her. There were a lot of white men who were more qualified.

AND, after a year she left the company because another company paid her double her salary. They too wanted a diversity candidate.

So wait wait wait...... Hold on. Do you not see that you contradicted yourself? Said this....

You aren’t getting it. Far too many times incompetent whites get the job because of white privilege and too many blacks aren’t getting the job because of bias.

And now you said this:

The CEO insisted on a diversity candidate. They eventually went with Maria because my brother said he would train/teach her. There were a lot of white men who were more qualified.

You made the claim that incompetent whites were getting jobs because of white privileged, and then gave a personal testimonial of someone less competent getting a job specifically because of diversity.

So which is it? Because those are mutually exclusive.

I've seen diversity incompetence many times in my life. The last one, was the most egregious.

We had a black guy, who got hired on as a manager, and he was the absolute most incompetent person I have ever seen in management.

First, he was arrogant. So arrogant that he made everyone absolutely hate him, which caused them to do things to intentionally piss him off. Employees hated him so much, that if they saw a mistake, they would intentionally not correct it, just to see him flip out. Packages with the wrong production, or going to the wrong address, all would slide by simply because the employees hated him so much.

What did he do that was so terrible? Everything. He was a disaster

One day he walked in, and proclaimed that there will no longer be any chairs in the warehouse. Problem is we had some women who did inventory work on computers. They removed their chairs. We had women, on their knees.... on the floor... at their desks.... to do their job.

We had a lady come in that had applied to rent an apartment, and the land lord wanted proof she had a job. The lady gave the land lord the managers Email address to ask for evidence she was employed there. All the manager had to do, was hit reply, and say "Yes she works here".

He refused to do it. She couldn't rent the apartment. She had to contact the HR department at the Company HQ, and they contacted the manager, and he refused to do it for them either. Finally the HR Department contacted the land lord and said she had a job. 2 weeks to get a "Yes she has a job" sent to the land lord for an apartment rental.

And the guy was a prolific liar. He lied about absolutely everything.

We had a lady that was sick with the flu (this was 2 years ago). She was absolutely incoherent. Couldn't work. Snot rolling down her nose. Tears from her red eyes. She did absolutely nothing all day. I asked in bewilderment "Why are you here?!?".

She said this manager told her you can't use sick days for the first 90 days of employment. She said she was going to contact the HR Department. The manager said, 'you can do that, but I'm in charge, and it will just come back to me, and I'll know what you have said'. Clearly a threat. She contacted HR anyway, sure enough he came got her, and started chewing her out, for wanting to use a sick day when she was clearly sick and the employee handbook itself says you can use sick time from the start of employment.

This is a tiny tiny fraction of what all this guy did. This black man was a holy terror, and the least competent manager I have ever dealt with in my life, and I can't even begin to list everything he did while he was there.

So why was he able to keep his job for at least 4 years, while being a problem for the HR department the entire time, and having dozens of people quit the job, leaving notes all saying this one guy was the specific reason they quit?

He as black. Diversity is important. That's why.

White privileged? I don't buy it. Even if.... and that is a massive huge *IF*.... Even if there is such a thing as white privilege... diversity is not a solution. Diversity is only an excuse to hire and pay for absolutely incompetent people.

Now I'm agreeing with you. Far too many women are getting jobs that should be going to better qualified men.

Let's see if MizMolly agrees now that it's women we are talking about not blacks.

I did not agree with you. Where did I disagree with you on blacks?

You asked me why I assumed the black person didn't get the job because they were black. Sounded like you were arguing against me and I'm for diversity programs.

You said "How do you know why whites are getting jobs?"

What were you getting at when you said this?

The answer is, in a country as diverse as ours, when we see 95% of the employees are white men, we know that bias is playing a part.

It's a fact that when you sit across from a black man, white man and woman, you have bias even if you don't realize it. And on top of that, people hire people who they can see themselves working with 5 days a week 9 hours a day. So you women have it better than blacks. Men would like to have more women in the office especially pretty ones. Which is why women have benefitted more from AA than blacks have.

My point is that you do not know why a black man isn’t hired anymore than why a white man is hired. Yes, racism exists, no, it isn’t the reason all the time. AA isn’t about pretty women getting the secretarial job. They aren’t hired based on AA. More women work because they have to. More women get an advanced education to get the opportunities. Yes, I talk more about women because it is what I am most familiar with. My posts on racial issues are from my experiences with them and my opinions from those experiences.

Do they really have to? Or do they make choices that make them have to?

I guess I have just a really weird view on this, because I have a half dozen women in my family, extended family, and Church, that don't work.... because they don't want to.

One of my relatives, was going for a teaching degree, and just decided... nah. Going to stay at home with kids, and cook and clean, and she is very happy.

Now I get that many 'want' to work outside the home. But do that have to?

Just a few things that I need to point out

Andylusion
And the guy was a prolific liar. He lied about absolutely everything. We had a lady that was sick with the flu (this was 2 years ago). She was absolutely incoherent. Couldn't work. Snot rolling down her nose. Tears from her red eyes. She did absolutely nothing all day. I asked in bewilderment "Why are you here?!?".

Well that's what she told you. How do you know she had the flu ? How sick was she really ? I've had the flu. It doesn't make you incoh erent.

Having a stroke makes you incoherent. But she was probably a white women and you swallowed her bullsh*t story.

Let tell you something. Black people are tough. We work through flu. We work through cold and other allergies. We don't fall apart at the slightest sickness. That's why this boss didn't fall for her weak ass story.

And then you had the nerve to ask your black boss "Why are you here ?"

The fact that you can say something as diss-respectful as that and not be punished is beyond belief.

Well actually not really. We do live in a system of racism - white supremacy.

Andylusion
She said this manager told her you can't use sick days for the first 90 days of employment.

Well the black manager is right. She can't use sick days for the 1st 90 days of employment.

Andylusion
She said she was going to contact the HR Department. The manager said, 'you can do that, but I'm in charge, and it will just come back to me, and I'll know what you have said'. Clearly a threat.

No. The so called sick women was challenging his authority. Something she would not have done had the manager been white.

Andylusion
She contacted HR anyway, sure enough he came got her, and started chewing her out, for wanting to use a sick day when she was clearly sick and the employee handbook itself says you can use sick time from the start of employment.

And he was fking right to chew that women out. How dare she try to go over his head ? Are you serious ? By the way, this is the women was supposedly incoherent right ? But she still had the energy to contact HR, state her case, go back and forth with them, but this is a woman that's incoherent. Right ?

Fk out my face

Andylusion
This is a tiny tiny fraction of what all this guy did. This black man was a holy terror, and the least competent manager I have ever dealt with in my life, and I can't even begin to list everything he did while he was there.

Meanwhile you were all plotting against him, blanking him when you walked past him, talking shit about him in the lunch break, trying to sabotage his work, make him look bad. Fk out my face.

You just didn't like the fact that a confident masculine black man had a little bit of authority.

You only have his word about his personal experiences.


You can choose to believe him or not.


But the issues he raises are real. You can pretend they are not.


BUt that is you being dishonest.


AND, everyone knows it.


INcluding you. We know that you know what you are saying is not true.

He was just given a very one sided view point of a story. The black boss is not here to defend himself.

He just could not stomach a confident masculine black man in his work. Ordering him around and earning more money than him and being unapologetic about it.

Says the guy who just defended black people being abused. You can't even defend yourself, and you ARE here.

There are a vast number of black men and women who have yet to reach 70 that witnessed real discrimination, who also have still living relatives who experienced it.

And that justifies discrimination against whites now, how?

You are the one who stated that you would listen to any elderly black person that experienced discrimination. I only pointed out that they are out there in abundance.

On the otherl hand, there is no metric that exists that proves through measuring employment, home ownership, average salary or college graduation rates that reflect any widescale discrimination against white citizens that has had a widespread effect on a national basis.

1. And I stated that I have found that such elderly black people are pretty happy just being treated as equals, and don't seem to need nor expect, nor want, special favoritism based on their being black.

2. ONE small limited example, of hard evidence of documented discrimination is the discrimination show in Ivy League admissions.

1. Of course the average elderly person of any race is less concerned about opportunities tha tg have already been missed. Furthermore the average elderly black person would likely be guarded about what they would even discuss with you.

Most elderly black people that I know are more concerned about their final years being enjoyable. But if they had an opportunity to live their lives over, they would not view legislation to ensure equality as "favoritism".

2. Yes that is definitely a VERY LIMITED example. There is no evidence that white applicants have been or are being displaced on a broad scale by by black applicants.

My bro works hr Fortune 500. Blacks and women who are qualified are very highly sought after. Even not qualified are getting opportunities and white dudes are getting passed up because the ceo wants a diversity candidate.

Make no mistake this is changing peoples lives. Getting the vp job is like a golden ticket. Now you’re in the $500k a year league plus stocks and golden parachutes. Lots of white guys are bitter when they go with the diversity candidate.

White women mostly benefit from this. Holy shit if you can find a black woman you’ve hit the jackpot.

And a black or women will make $1mill a year. My brothers replacement took a better job for double. Now she’s hiring him to go work with her because she’s in over her head.

Are there EVER examples where a white person might not get hired or asks for help because they are not qualified or are in over their heads?"

Of course there are. Many whites were turned down for employment at places o worked.

You aren’t getting it. Far too many times incompetent whites get the job because of white privilege and too many blacks aren’t getting the job because of bias.

I said it before. It doesn’t matter if you morons get it. Big corporations do and they’re workingon diversifying.

How do you know why whites are getting jobs? And I am getting it. I answered the question that was posed.

Your question suggests you don’t get it.

Listen lady, you women benefitted the most from affirmative action. How did we know back then why white women weren’t ever getting the jobs?

Did bias play a part? Of course. To this day men are afraid to hire a women because they worry shes going to have a baby and either quit or not devote as much attention to the job as a man would as soon as she pops the kid out

You know exactly why women back then didn’t get the jobs. It was because of ignorant, male chauvinists who decided they had to be in charge. Contrary to what you may believe, women are smart and can be more capable and worthy of their careers than some men.

Wow! Look at how quickly your attitude changed when we stopped talking about blacks and brought up women.

Suddenly you’re getting it? This is the problem with conservatives. No empathy unless it’s happening to them.

So for the record I agree with you about women but for some reason you don’t agree when it comes to blacks. Could it be because you lack empathy for them?

You seem to have no empathy for whites, especially white males, who are getting the short end of the "push for diversity".

And he imagines things, like saying I don’t agree when it comes to blacks. He didn’t elaborate, but I don’t know where that came from.

Well lets see. You said this "How do you know why whites are getting jobs?"

So I flipped it and instead of blacks I made it about women. Suddenly you became a defender of Affirmative Action.

So I ask you, How do you know why men are getting the jobs instead of women?

To this day women are still the biggest benefitters of Affirmative Action.

I've heard a lot of libs make that claim. Sounds like bullshit. Blacks get the big benefits. Massive sat bonus in college admissions,for one limited example.

That's because a lot of women go to college and they go to good public schools not inner city shit hole schools.

It's not a claim it's a fact. Apparently one that makes you feel uncomfortable.

I've already told you about Maria. She replaced my brother. The CEO insisted on a diversity candidate. They eventually went with Maria because my brother said he would train/teach her. There were a lot of white men who were more qualified.

AND, after a year she left the company because another company paid her double her salary. They too wanted a diversity candidate.

So wait wait wait...... Hold on. Do you not see that you contradicted yourself? Said this....

You aren’t getting it. Far too many times incompetent whites get the job because of white privilege and too many blacks aren’t getting the job because of bias.

And now you said this:

The CEO insisted on a diversity candidate. They eventually went with Maria because my brother said he would train/teach her. There were a lot of white men who were more qualified.

You made the claim that incompetent whites were getting jobs because of white privileged, and then gave a personal testimonial of someone less competent getting a job specifically because of diversity.

So which is it? Because those are mutually exclusive.

I've seen diversity incompetence many times in my life. The last one, was the most egregious.

We had a black guy, who got hired on as a manager, and he was the absolute most incompetent person I have ever seen in management.

First, he was arrogant. So arrogant that he made everyone absolutely hate him, which caused them to do things to intentionally piss him off. Employees hated him so much, that if they saw a mistake, they would intentionally not correct it, just to see him flip out. Packages with the wrong production, or going to the wrong address, all would slide by simply because the employees hated him so much.

What did he do that was so terrible? Everything. He was a disaster

One day he walked in, and proclaimed that there will no longer be any chairs in the warehouse. Problem is we had some women who did inventory work on computers. They removed their chairs. We had women, on their knees.... on the floor... at their desks.... to do their job.

We had a lady come in that had applied to rent an apartment, and the land lord wanted proof she had a job. The lady gave the land lord the managers Email address to ask for evidence she was employed there. All the manager had to do, was hit reply, and say "Yes she works here".

He refused to do it. She couldn't rent the apartment. She had to contact the HR department at the Company HQ, and they contacted the manager, and he refused to do it for them either. Finally the HR Department contacted the land lord and said she had a job. 2 weeks to get a "Yes she has a job" sent to the land lord for an apartment rental.

And the guy was a prolific liar. He lied about absolutely everything.

We had a lady that was sick with the flu (this was 2 years ago). She was absolutely incoherent. Couldn't work. Snot rolling down her nose. Tears from her red eyes. She did absolutely nothing all day. I asked in bewilderment "Why are you here?!?".

She said this manager told her you can't use sick days for the first 90 days of employment. She said she was going to contact the HR Department. The manager said, 'you can do that, but I'm in charge, and it will just come back to me, and I'll know what you have said'. Clearly a threat. She contacted HR anyway, sure enough he came got her, and started chewing her out, for wanting to use a sick day when she was clearly sick and the employee handbook itself says you can use sick time from the start of employment.

This is a tiny tiny fraction of what all this guy did. This black man was a holy terror, and the least competent manager I have ever dealt with in my life, and I can't even begin to list everything he did while he was there.

So why was he able to keep his job for at least 4 years, while being a problem for the HR department the entire time, and having dozens of people quit the job, leaving notes all saying this one guy was the specific reason they quit?

He as black. Diversity is important. That's why.

White privileged? I don't buy it. Even if.... and that is a massive huge *IF*.... Even if there is such a thing as white privilege... diversity is not a solution. Diversity is only an excuse to hire and pay for absolutely incompetent people.

Now I'm agreeing with you. Far too many women are getting jobs that should be going to better qualified men.

Let's see if MizMolly agrees now that it's women we are talking about not blacks.

I did not agree with you. Where did I disagree with you on blacks?

You asked me why I assumed the black person didn't get the job because they were black. Sounded like you were arguing against me and I'm for diversity programs.

You said "How do you know why whites are getting jobs?"

What were you getting at when you said this?

The answer is, in a country as diverse as ours, when we see 95% of the employees are white men, we know that bias is playing a part.

It's a fact that when you sit across from a black man, white man and woman, you have bias even if you don't realize it. And on top of that, people hire people who they can see themselves working with 5 days a week 9 hours a day. So you women have it better than blacks. Men would like to have more women in the office especially pretty ones. Which is why women have benefitted more from AA than blacks have.

My point is that you do not know why a black man isn’t hired anymore than why a white man is hired. Yes, racism exists, no, it isn’t the reason all the time. AA isn’t about pretty women getting the secretarial job. They aren’t hired based on AA. More women work because they have to. More women get an advanced education to get the opportunities. Yes, I talk more about women because it is what I am most familiar with. My posts on racial issues are from my experiences with them and my opinions from those experiences.

Do they really have to? Or do they make choices that make them have to?

I guess I have just a really weird view on this, because I have a half dozen women in my family, extended family, and Church, that don't work.... because they don't want to.

One of my relatives, was going for a teaching degree, and just decided... nah. Going to stay at home with kids, and cook and clean, and she is very happy.

Now I get that many 'want' to work outside the home. But do that have to?

Just a few things that I need to point out

Andylusion
And the guy was a prolific liar. He lied about absolutely everything. We had a lady that was sick with the flu (this was 2 years ago). She was absolutely incoherent. Couldn't work. Snot rolling down her nose. Tears from her red eyes. She did absolutely nothing all day. I asked in bewilderment "Why are you here?!?".

Well that's what she told you. How do you know she had the flu ? How sick was she really ? I've had the flu. It doesn't make you incoh erent.

Having a stroke makes you incoherent. But she was probably a white women and you swallowed her bullsh*t story.

Let tell you something. Black people are tough. We work through flu. We work through cold and other allergies. We don't fall apart at the slightest sickness. That's why this boss didn't fall for her weak ass story.

And then you had the nerve to ask your black boss "Why are you here ?"

The fact that you can say something as diss-respectful as that and not be punished is beyond belief.

Well actually not really. We do live in a system of racism - white supremacy.

Andylusion
She said this manager told her you can't use sick days for the first 90 days of employment.

Well the black manager is right. She can't use sick days for the 1st 90 days of employment.

Andylusion
She said she was going to contact the HR Department. The manager said, 'you can do that, but I'm in charge, and it will just come back to me, and I'll know what you have said'. Clearly a threat.

No. The so called sick women was challenging his authority. Something she would not have done had the manager been white.

Andylusion
She contacted HR anyway, sure enough he came got her, and started chewing her out, for wanting to use a sick day when she was clearly sick and the employee handbook itself says you can use sick time from the start of employment.

And he was fking right to chew that women out. How dare she try to go over his head ? Are you serious ? By the way, this is the women was supposedly incoherent right ? But she still had the energy to contact HR, state her case, go back and forth with them, but this is a woman that's incoherent. Right ?

Fk out my face

Andylusion
This is a tiny tiny fraction of what all this guy did. This black man was a holy terror, and the least competent manager I have ever dealt with in my life, and I can't even begin to list everything he did while he was there.

Meanwhile you were all plotting against him, blanking him when you walked past him, talking shit about him in the lunch break, trying to sabotage his work, make him look bad. Fk out my face.

You just didn't like the fact that a confident masculine black man had a little bit of authority.

You only have his word about his personal experiences.


You can choose to believe him or not.


But the issues he raises are real. You can pretend they are not.


BUt that is you being dishonest.


AND, everyone knows it.


INcluding you. We know that you know what you are saying is not true.

He was just given a very one sided view point of a story. The black boss is not here to defend himself.

He just could not stomach a confident masculine black man in his work. Ordering him around and earning more money than him and being unapologetic about it.

Says the guy who just defended black people being abused. You can't even defend yourself, and you ARE here.

Yes, many women have to work. It is hard to make it with just one income in many households. Some women aren’t married, they have to work.

 

[katsteve2012]

We had a black guy, who got hired on as a manager, and he was the absolute most incompetent person I have ever seen in management.

You just hated the fact that black person had muscle. Now granted I'm pretty sure the owners were white. But it burned you to your core to see black person have power. That's when you REALLY see a white person's true colors come out.

White people LOVE it when black people are janitors and cleaners. They love it. In fact white people go out of their way to treat the black janitor nicely "Hey Leroy. See the knicks game last night ? Steph Curry. What a player"

White ppl are often super nice to black people when that black person is in inferior position

First, he was arrogant.

That simply means he was confident. When a black man is confident that means he was arrogant

So arrogant that he made everyone absolutely hate him, which caused them to do things to intentionally piss him off.

I bet lunch time was just one bigger n*gger fest. Right ? That fking n*gger. Fking n*gger.

"How did this n*gger get this job ?"

Employees hated him so much, that if they saw a mistake, they would intentionally not correct it, just to see him flip out. Packages with the wrong production, or going to the wrong address, all would slide by simply because the employees hated him so much

Wasn't you the one who said

you can't hurt us

Yet you have this one black guy, whose making you

And then turning you and the rest of your white and non black buddies into

Still think we can't hurt you ? All it took was you having a black boss for you to lose your mind and get so emotional.

What did he do that was so terrible? Everything. He was a disaster

He is not here to defend himself. He is not here to give his side of the story.

One day he walked in, and proclaimed that there will no longer be any chairs in the warehouse. Problem is we had some women who did inventory work on computers. They removed their chairs. We had women, on their knees.... on the floor... at their desks.... to do their job.

He is not here to defend himself. He is not here to give his side of the story

And the guy was a prolific liar. He lied about absolutely everything. We had a lady that was sick with the flu (this was 2 years ago). She was absolutely incoherent. Couldn't work. Snot rolling down her nose. Tears from her red eyes. She did absolutely nothing all day. I asked in bewilderment "Why are you here?!?".

He is not here to defend himself. He is not here to give his side of the story

She said this manager told her you can't use sick days for the first 90 days of employment. She said she was going to contact the HR Department. The manager said, 'you can do that, but I'm in charge, and it will just come back to me, and I'll know what you have said'. Clearly a threat. She contacted HR anyway, sure enough he came got her, and started chewing her out, for wanting to use a sick day when she was clearly sick and the employee handbook itself says you can use sick time from the start of employment.

He is not here to defend himself. He is not here to give his side of the story

This is a tiny tiny fraction of what all this guy did. This black man was a holy terror, and the least competent manager I have ever dealt with in my life, and I can't even begin to list everything he did while he was there.

Meanwhile you were all plotting against him, blanking him when you walked past him, talking shit about him in the lunch break, trying to sabotage his work, make him look bad. Fk out my face.

You just didn't like the fact that a confident masculine black man had a little bit of authority.

There were a couple of incompetent white senior executives that I reported to not many years ago before retiring, who were not only incompetent,
but were flat out under qualified based on today's standards.

Because they had been in their positions so long, their brains were fossilized, and they did not evolve with the cmpany, yet they were allowed to stay in position by the board of directors based on seniority, and in some cases having a family member or a friend who sat on the board.

And on that board there was not a single non white face. And to this day that has not changed.

They were clearly the beneficiaries of a time when non whites were forced into the menial jobs, or not hired at all.

This type of preferential culture/system was in effect at every job level throughout that company.


Being that type of generational beneficiary, created generational poverty for non whites on a mass scale that predates any corrective legislation back to a time, not long ago when non whites and women were not even ALLOWED to apply for certain positions, and still has not been erased by the legislation that was passed.

That scenario plays out all over corporate America everyday of the week, and is in no danger of changing anytime soon.

And on that board there was not a single non white face. And to this day that has not changed.

And why is that a problem? See this is my issue. You assume that a non-white face must be hired, in order for things to improve.

Additionally you seem to be implying that there was racism involved, when you already said it was based on seniority.

Being that type of generational beneficiary, created generational poverty for non whites on a mass scale that predates any corrective legislation back to a time, not long ago when non whites and women were not even ALLOWED to apply for certain positions, and still has not been erased by the legislation that was passed.

Here's my problem with that. If you start your own company, which anyone can.... how does this one specific companies rules, "create generational poverty" for non-whites?

Any black person can start their own company, and do business. Any black person. There thousands of companies in this country founded and run by black people, even to this day.

So explain to me how one company, with a policy of seniority, has created generational poverty? And how do you explain rich black people, if these companies have created generational poverty for non-whites?

And here's my problem with your basic thrust.

The only way you could pass legislation to force people to not give their companies to their relatives, is by taking away people's rights to their businesses.

The problem with that is, the moment you do that two things are going to happen.

First, a lot of companies are going to go private.

10 Famous Public Companies That Went Private

Here’s a list of the most popular listed companies that went private in recent decades.

www.investopedia.com

Companies go private quite a bit. In fact, there is a drastic decline in public companies, and I would suggest the primary reason is because of this socialistic type of meddling that left-wing do-gooders are trying to push.

You take that company private, and now you have no say at all, and they don't have to release SEC statements to the public, that let you sit around complaining about how much money they made.

Shrinking public markets limit the playing field for Main Street investors

Unless the inequitable lack of access to private markets is addressed, retirement savers will continue to be deprived of the ability to participate in high-growth business models and feel markets operate for the benefit of well-connected "insiders."

www.cnbc.com

The number of public companies fell from 7,300 in 1996, to 3,600 in 2016.
The rich people who run and own those companies haven't changed, but now you don't know about them.

And private companies still have stocks, just sold privately. Which is bad for average people like us, because now you can't buy shares in those company. Only rich people with connections can.

That will happen, so that you can't try and dictate who runs those companies. So nothing will improve, only now you can't invest in those companies anymore. Rich get richer, poor get poorer. That's what trying to legislate the how companies run will result in.

The second thing that will happen, is those same rules you try and impose, will be imposed on you.

Say you work your butt off like Chris Gardner who started his own brokerage firm, or any of the other black business founders.

20 Successful Companies Founded or Owned by Black Entrepreneurs | Envato Tuts+

February is Black History Month in the U.S. and Canada, so let’s celebrate by looking at some examples of successful black-owned businesses. This list of black-owned businesses will showcase the...

business.tutsplus.com

Now if you read the story of Chris Gardner, he went through hell. Worked his butt off. Created this big company.

He has a son, and he's 66 years old. Should he have the right, as founder and CEO of his company, to pass it on to his kids? Yes or no?

This is a guy that was from a broken family, mother in prison, father abusive, was in foster care, ended up with a toddler and a wife that left him, and was homeless for a while.

Built a company from the ground up. Now you want to say you should be able to dictate who is on the executive board of this guys company?

Again, whatever rules you put in place for others, those rules will be used against you. If you use the power of government to take over some other persons company, that same power will be used against you, or someone you care about.

What happens when your son is in company 40 years, and someone says... nope need someone younger and fresh. Can't have them giving your son a position because of his seniority.

Now if the company decides that is their policy fine. But if the government steps in, and takes your son's job away, because you wanted government dictating who is on the executive staff....

This is one of the universal myths of left-wing ideology. It's always someone else. Not you. Someone else will pay the taxes, not you. Someone else will have those regulations on them, not you. Reminds me of a Russian whose great grand father supported Stalin, right to the day the great purge rounded him up, and had him killed.

Those show trials will only happen to other people, not me.

The solution to poverty, is not to sit around trying to figure out how to screw over other people. The solution to poverty, is not to figure out how to get government, to force other people, to do what you want.

The solution to poverty is to go out and earn your own wealth. 1-800-GOT-JUNK, was started by a first year college student, and $700. Brian, bought a used pickup truck with $700 he had saved working Mc-Jobs, and started hauling trash in the pickup. Dropped out of high school, put an ad in the paper to pickup junk for $80 a load. From 1989 with one pickup, to 1993 with three pickups and employees to drive them, to 1997 with 2 franchise, to 2005 with a income of $72 Million a year.

If Brian had been sitting around waiting for some company to open a spot on the executive board, he'd still be poor today, complaining "The little man can't get ahead".

The solution to poverty, is going out there and making stuff happen.

The Mexican immigrant who set up a global drone firm

How Mexican immigrant Jordi Munoz set up the largest US-based drone manufacturer, a company called 3D Robotics.

www.bbc.com

If only this Mexican had been waiting for those white people on the executive board to allow a non-white in.... just think what he could have done with is life.

In all of whatever you were attempting to state, you missed my point.

And my point was simply this:

There is NOT widespread discrimination happening to white males in the workforce in favor of black people, and there is no statistical data from a credible source out there that proves otherwise.

This topic has come up frequently in this forum for years, and besides emotional individual stories about isolated cases, not once has anyone presented any verified proof of such widespread practices.

 

[sealybobo]

There are a vast number of black men and women who have yet to reach 70 that witnessed real discrimination, who also have still living relatives who experienced it.

And that justifies discrimination against whites now, how?

You are the one who stated that you would listen to any elderly black person that experienced discrimination. I only pointed out that they are out there in abundance.

On the otherl hand, there is no metric that exists that proves through measuring employment, home ownership, average salary or college graduation rates that reflect any widescale discrimination against white citizens that has had a widespread effect on a national basis.

1. And I stated that I have found that such elderly black people are pretty happy just being treated as equals, and don't seem to need nor expect, nor want, special favoritism based on their being black.

2. ONE small limited example, of hard evidence of documented discrimination is the discrimination show in Ivy League admissions.

1. Of course the average elderly person of any race is less concerned about opportunities tha tg have already been missed. Furthermore the average elderly black person would likely be guarded about what they would even discuss with you.

Most elderly black people that I know are more concerned about their final years being enjoyable. But if they had an opportunity to live their lives over, they would not view legislation to ensure equality as "favoritism".

2. Yes that is definitely a VERY LIMITED example. There is no evidence that white applicants have been or are being displaced on a broad scale by by black applicants.

My bro works hr Fortune 500. Blacks and women who are qualified are very highly sought after. Even not qualified are getting opportunities and white dudes are getting passed up because the ceo wants a diversity candidate.

Make no mistake this is changing peoples lives. Getting the vp job is like a golden ticket. Now you’re in the $500k a year league plus stocks and golden parachutes. Lots of white guys are bitter when they go with the diversity candidate.

White women mostly benefit from this. Holy shit if you can find a black woman you’ve hit the jackpot.

And a black or women will make $1mill a year. My brothers replacement took a better job for double. Now she’s hiring him to go work with her because she’s in over her head.

Are there EVER examples where a white person might not get hired or asks for help because they are not qualified or are in over their heads?"

Of course there are. Many whites were turned down for employment at places o worked.

You aren’t getting it. Far too many times incompetent whites get the job because of white privilege and too many blacks aren’t getting the job because of bias.

I said it before. It doesn’t matter if you morons get it. Big corporations do and they’re workingon diversifying.

How do you know why whites are getting jobs? And I am getting it. I answered the question that was posed.

Your question suggests you don’t get it.

Listen lady, you women benefitted the most from affirmative action. How did we know back then why white women weren’t ever getting the jobs?

Did bias play a part? Of course. To this day men are afraid to hire a women because they worry shes going to have a baby and either quit or not devote as much attention to the job as a man would as soon as she pops the kid out

You know exactly why women back then didn’t get the jobs. It was because of ignorant, male chauvinists who decided they had to be in charge. Contrary to what you may believe, women are smart and can be more capable and worthy of their careers than some men.

Wow! Look at how quickly your attitude changed when we stopped talking about blacks and brought up women.

Suddenly you’re getting it? This is the problem with conservatives. No empathy unless it’s happening to them.

So for the record I agree with you about women but for some reason you don’t agree when it comes to blacks. Could it be because you lack empathy for them?

You seem to have no empathy for whites, especially white males, who are getting the short end of the "push for diversity".

And he imagines things, like saying I don’t agree when it comes to blacks. He didn’t elaborate, but I don’t know where that came from.

Well lets see. You said this "How do you know why whites are getting jobs?"

So I flipped it and instead of blacks I made it about women. Suddenly you became a defender of Affirmative Action.

So I ask you, How do you know why men are getting the jobs instead of women?

To this day women are still the biggest benefitters of Affirmative Action.

I've heard a lot of libs make that claim. Sounds like bullshit. Blacks get the big benefits. Massive sat bonus in college admissions,for one limited example.

That's because a lot of women go to college and they go to good public schools not inner city shit hole schools.

It's not a claim it's a fact. Apparently one that makes you feel uncomfortable.

I've already told you about Maria. She replaced my brother. The CEO insisted on a diversity candidate. They eventually went with Maria because my brother said he would train/teach her. There were a lot of white men who were more qualified.

AND, after a year she left the company because another company paid her double her salary. They too wanted a diversity candidate.

So wait wait wait...... Hold on. Do you not see that you contradicted yourself? Said this....

You aren’t getting it. Far too many times incompetent whites get the job because of white privilege and too many blacks aren’t getting the job because of bias.

And now you said this:

The CEO insisted on a diversity candidate. They eventually went with Maria because my brother said he would train/teach her. There were a lot of white men who were more qualified.

You made the claim that incompetent whites were getting jobs because of white privileged, and then gave a personal testimonial of someone less competent getting a job specifically because of diversity.

So which is it? Because those are mutually exclusive.

I've seen diversity incompetence many times in my life. The last one, was the most egregious.

We had a black guy, who got hired on as a manager, and he was the absolute most incompetent person I have ever seen in management.

First, he was arrogant. So arrogant that he made everyone absolutely hate him, which caused them to do things to intentionally piss him off. Employees hated him so much, that if they saw a mistake, they would intentionally not correct it, just to see him flip out. Packages with the wrong production, or going to the wrong address, all would slide by simply because the employees hated him so much.

What did he do that was so terrible? Everything. He was a disaster

One day he walked in, and proclaimed that there will no longer be any chairs in the warehouse. Problem is we had some women who did inventory work on computers. They removed their chairs. We had women, on their knees.... on the floor... at their desks.... to do their job.

We had a lady come in that had applied to rent an apartment, and the land lord wanted proof she had a job. The lady gave the land lord the managers Email address to ask for evidence she was employed there. All the manager had to do, was hit reply, and say "Yes she works here".

He refused to do it. She couldn't rent the apartment. She had to contact the HR department at the Company HQ, and they contacted the manager, and he refused to do it for them either. Finally the HR Department contacted the land lord and said she had a job. 2 weeks to get a "Yes she has a job" sent to the land lord for an apartment rental.

And the guy was a prolific liar. He lied about absolutely everything.

We had a lady that was sick with the flu (this was 2 years ago). She was absolutely incoherent. Couldn't work. Snot rolling down her nose. Tears from her red eyes. She did absolutely nothing all day. I asked in bewilderment "Why are you here?!?".

She said this manager told her you can't use sick days for the first 90 days of employment. She said she was going to contact the HR Department. The manager said, 'you can do that, but I'm in charge, and it will just come back to me, and I'll know what you have said'. Clearly a threat. She contacted HR anyway, sure enough he came got her, and started chewing her out, for wanting to use a sick day when she was clearly sick and the employee handbook itself says you can use sick time from the start of employment.

This is a tiny tiny fraction of what all this guy did. This black man was a holy terror, and the least competent manager I have ever dealt with in my life, and I can't even begin to list everything he did while he was there.

So why was he able to keep his job for at least 4 years, while being a problem for the HR department the entire time, and having dozens of people quit the job, leaving notes all saying this one guy was the specific reason they quit?

He as black. Diversity is important. That's why.

White privileged? I don't buy it. Even if.... and that is a massive huge *IF*.... Even if there is such a thing as white privilege... diversity is not a solution. Diversity is only an excuse to hire and pay for absolutely incompetent people.

Now I'm agreeing with you. Far too many women are getting jobs that should be going to better qualified men.

Let's see if MizMolly agrees now that it's women we are talking about not blacks.

I did not agree with you. Where did I disagree with you on blacks?

You asked me why I assumed the black person didn't get the job because they were black. Sounded like you were arguing against me and I'm for diversity programs.

You said "How do you know why whites are getting jobs?"

What were you getting at when you said this?

The answer is, in a country as diverse as ours, when we see 95% of the employees are white men, we know that bias is playing a part.

It's a fact that when you sit across from a black man, white man and woman, you have bias even if you don't realize it. And on top of that, people hire people who they can see themselves working with 5 days a week 9 hours a day. So you women have it better than blacks. Men would like to have more women in the office especially pretty ones. Which is why women have benefitted more from AA than blacks have.

My point is that you do not know why a black man isn’t hired anymore than why a white man is hired. Yes, racism exists, no, it isn’t the reason all the time. AA isn’t about pretty women getting the secretarial job. They aren’t hired based on AA. More women work because they have to. More women get an advanced education to get the opportunities. Yes, I talk more about women because it is what I am most familiar with. My posts on racial issues are from my experiences with them and my opinions from those experiences.

Do they really have to? Or do they make choices that make them have to?

I guess I have just a really weird view on this, because I have a half dozen women in my family, extended family, and Church, that don't work.... because they don't want to.

One of my relatives, was going for a teaching degree, and just decided... nah. Going to stay at home with kids, and cook and clean, and she is very happy.

Now I get that many 'want' to work outside the home. But do that have to?

Just a few things that I need to point out

Andylusion
And the guy was a prolific liar. He lied about absolutely everything. We had a lady that was sick with the flu (this was 2 years ago). She was absolutely incoherent. Couldn't work. Snot rolling down her nose. Tears from her red eyes. She did absolutely nothing all day. I asked in bewilderment "Why are you here?!?".

Well that's what she told you. How do you know she had the flu ? How sick was she really ? I've had the flu. It doesn't make you incoh erent.

Having a stroke makes you incoherent. But she was probably a white women and you swallowed her bullsh*t story.

Let tell you something. Black people are tough. We work through flu. We work through cold and other allergies. We don't fall apart at the slightest sickness. That's why this boss didn't fall for her weak ass story.

And then you had the nerve to ask your black boss "Why are you here ?"

The fact that you can say something as diss-respectful as that and not be punished is beyond belief.

Well actually not really. We do live in a system of racism - white supremacy.

Andylusion
She said this manager told her you can't use sick days for the first 90 days of employment.

Well the black manager is right. She can't use sick days for the 1st 90 days of employment.

Andylusion
She said she was going to contact the HR Department. The manager said, 'you can do that, but I'm in charge, and it will just come back to me, and I'll know what you have said'. Clearly a threat.

No. The so called sick women was challenging his authority. Something she would not have done had the manager been white.

Andylusion
She contacted HR anyway, sure enough he came got her, and started chewing her out, for wanting to use a sick day when she was clearly sick and the employee handbook itself says you can use sick time from the start of employment.

And he was fking right to chew that women out. How dare she try to go over his head ? Are you serious ? By the way, this is the women was supposedly incoherent right ? But she still had the energy to contact HR, state her case, go back and forth with them, but this is a woman that's incoherent. Right ?

Fk out my face

Andylusion
This is a tiny tiny fraction of what all this guy did. This black man was a holy terror, and the least competent manager I have ever dealt with in my life, and I can't even begin to list everything he did while he was there.

Meanwhile you were all plotting against him, blanking him when you walked past him, talking shit about him in the lunch break, trying to sabotage his work, make him look bad. Fk out my face.

You just didn't like the fact that a confident masculine black man had a little bit of authority.

You only have his word about his personal experiences.


You can choose to believe him or not.


But the issues he raises are real. You can pretend they are not.


BUt that is you being dishonest.


AND, everyone knows it.


INcluding you. We know that you know what you are saying is not true.

He was just given a very one sided view point of a story. The black boss is not here to defend himself.

He just could not stomach a confident masculine black man in his work. Ordering him around and earning more money than him and being unapologetic about it.

Says the guy who just defended black people being abused. You can't even defend yourself, and you ARE here.

This is what you don't realize. The discrimination that women and blacks have suffered in the past, they are still feeling the effects of that discrimination. A show I watch did a show on feminism the other day. They showed how black men basically treat women like white people treat blacks.

Anyways, yes a lot of women like men holding the door for them, paying for dinner and ultimately taking care of them for the rest of their lives. And it's also taboo for a man to stay home while the woman works.

If you look in my moms yearbook the girls all wanted to be homemakers, nurses, teachers, etc. Do you think women today would answer the same when asked what they want to be when they grow up? I'm sure some will say homemaker but not nearly as many today will say that as back then.

 

[sealybobo]

There are a vast number of black men and women who have yet to reach 70 that witnessed real discrimination, who also have still living relatives who experienced it.

And that justifies discrimination against whites now, how?

You are the one who stated that you would listen to any elderly black person that experienced discrimination. I only pointed out that they are out there in abundance.

On the otherl hand, there is no metric that exists that proves through measuring employment, home ownership, average salary or college graduation rates that reflect any widescale discrimination against white citizens that has had a widespread effect on a national basis.

1. And I stated that I have found that such elderly black people are pretty happy just being treated as equals, and don't seem to need nor expect, nor want, special favoritism based on their being black.

2. ONE small limited example, of hard evidence of documented discrimination is the discrimination show in Ivy League admissions.

1. Of course the average elderly person of any race is less concerned about opportunities tha tg have already been missed. Furthermore the average elderly black person would likely be guarded about what they would even discuss with you.

Most elderly black people that I know are more concerned about their final years being enjoyable. But if they had an opportunity to live their lives over, they would not view legislation to ensure equality as "favoritism".

2. Yes that is definitely a VERY LIMITED example. There is no evidence that white applicants have been or are being displaced on a broad scale by by black applicants.

My bro works hr Fortune 500. Blacks and women who are qualified are very highly sought after. Even not qualified are getting opportunities and white dudes are getting passed up because the ceo wants a diversity candidate.

Make no mistake this is changing peoples lives. Getting the vp job is like a golden ticket. Now you’re in the $500k a year league plus stocks and golden parachutes. Lots of white guys are bitter when they go with the diversity candidate.

White women mostly benefit from this. Holy shit if you can find a black woman you’ve hit the jackpot.

And a black or women will make $1mill a year. My brothers replacement took a better job for double. Now she’s hiring him to go work with her because she’s in over her head.

Are there EVER examples where a white person might not get hired or asks for help because they are not qualified or are in over their heads?"

Of course there are. Many whites were turned down for employment at places o worked.

You aren’t getting it. Far too many times incompetent whites get the job because of white privilege and too many blacks aren’t getting the job because of bias.

I said it before. It doesn’t matter if you morons get it. Big corporations do and they’re workingon diversifying.

How do you know why whites are getting jobs? And I am getting it. I answered the question that was posed.

Your question suggests you don’t get it.

Listen lady, you women benefitted the most from affirmative action. How did we know back then why white women weren’t ever getting the jobs?

Did bias play a part? Of course. To this day men are afraid to hire a women because they worry shes going to have a baby and either quit or not devote as much attention to the job as a man would as soon as she pops the kid out

You know exactly why women back then didn’t get the jobs. It was because of ignorant, male chauvinists who decided they had to be in charge. Contrary to what you may believe, women are smart and can be more capable and worthy of their careers than some men.

Wow! Look at how quickly your attitude changed when we stopped talking about blacks and brought up women.

Suddenly you’re getting it? This is the problem with conservatives. No empathy unless it’s happening to them.

So for the record I agree with you about women but for some reason you don’t agree when it comes to blacks. Could it be because you lack empathy for them?

You seem to have no empathy for whites, especially white males, who are getting the short end of the "push for diversity".

And he imagines things, like saying I don’t agree when it comes to blacks. He didn’t elaborate, but I don’t know where that came from.

Well lets see. You said this "How do you know why whites are getting jobs?"

So I flipped it and instead of blacks I made it about women. Suddenly you became a defender of Affirmative Action.

So I ask you, How do you know why men are getting the jobs instead of women?

To this day women are still the biggest benefitters of Affirmative Action.

I've heard a lot of libs make that claim. Sounds like bullshit. Blacks get the big benefits. Massive sat bonus in college admissions,for one limited example.

That's because a lot of women go to college and they go to good public schools not inner city shit hole schools.

It's not a claim it's a fact. Apparently one that makes you feel uncomfortable.

I've already told you about Maria. She replaced my brother. The CEO insisted on a diversity candidate. They eventually went with Maria because my brother said he would train/teach her. There were a lot of white men who were more qualified.

AND, after a year she left the company because another company paid her double her salary. They too wanted a diversity candidate.

So wait wait wait...... Hold on. Do you not see that you contradicted yourself? Said this....

You aren’t getting it. Far too many times incompetent whites get the job because of white privilege and too many blacks aren’t getting the job because of bias.

And now you said this:

The CEO insisted on a diversity candidate. They eventually went with Maria because my brother said he would train/teach her. There were a lot of white men who were more qualified.

You made the claim that incompetent whites were getting jobs because of white privileged, and then gave a personal testimonial of someone less competent getting a job specifically because of diversity.

So which is it? Because those are mutually exclusive.

I've seen diversity incompetence many times in my life. The last one, was the most egregious.

We had a black guy, who got hired on as a manager, and he was the absolute most incompetent person I have ever seen in management.

First, he was arrogant. So arrogant that he made everyone absolutely hate him, which caused them to do things to intentionally piss him off. Employees hated him so much, that if they saw a mistake, they would intentionally not correct it, just to see him flip out. Packages with the wrong production, or going to the wrong address, all would slide by simply because the employees hated him so much.

What did he do that was so terrible? Everything. He was a disaster

One day he walked in, and proclaimed that there will no longer be any chairs in the warehouse. Problem is we had some women who did inventory work on computers. They removed their chairs. We had women, on their knees.... on the floor... at their desks.... to do their job.

We had a lady come in that had applied to rent an apartment, and the land lord wanted proof she had a job. The lady gave the land lord the managers Email address to ask for evidence she was employed there. All the manager had to do, was hit reply, and say "Yes she works here".

He refused to do it. She couldn't rent the apartment. She had to contact the HR department at the Company HQ, and they contacted the manager, and he refused to do it for them either. Finally the HR Department contacted the land lord and said she had a job. 2 weeks to get a "Yes she has a job" sent to the land lord for an apartment rental.

And the guy was a prolific liar. He lied about absolutely everything.

We had a lady that was sick with the flu (this was 2 years ago). She was absolutely incoherent. Couldn't work. Snot rolling down her nose. Tears from her red eyes. She did absolutely nothing all day. I asked in bewilderment "Why are you here?!?".

She said this manager told her you can't use sick days for the first 90 days of employment. She said she was going to contact the HR Department. The manager said, 'you can do that, but I'm in charge, and it will just come back to me, and I'll know what you have said'. Clearly a threat. She contacted HR anyway, sure enough he came got her, and started chewing her out, for wanting to use a sick day when she was clearly sick and the employee handbook itself says you can use sick time from the start of employment.

This is a tiny tiny fraction of what all this guy did. This black man was a holy terror, and the least competent manager I have ever dealt with in my life, and I can't even begin to list everything he did while he was there.

So why was he able to keep his job for at least 4 years, while being a problem for the HR department the entire time, and having dozens of people quit the job, leaving notes all saying this one guy was the specific reason they quit?

He as black. Diversity is important. That's why.

White privileged? I don't buy it. Even if.... and that is a massive huge *IF*.... Even if there is such a thing as white privilege... diversity is not a solution. Diversity is only an excuse to hire and pay for absolutely incompetent people.

Now I'm agreeing with you. Far too many women are getting jobs that should be going to better qualified men.

Let's see if MizMolly agrees now that it's women we are talking about not blacks.

I did not agree with you. Where did I disagree with you on blacks?

You asked me why I assumed the black person didn't get the job because they were black. Sounded like you were arguing against me and I'm for diversity programs.

You said "How do you know why whites are getting jobs?"

What were you getting at when you said this?

The answer is, in a country as diverse as ours, when we see 95% of the employees are white men, we know that bias is playing a part.

It's a fact that when you sit across from a black man, white man and woman, you have bias even if you don't realize it. And on top of that, people hire people who they can see themselves working with 5 days a week 9 hours a day. So you women have it better than blacks. Men would like to have more women in the office especially pretty ones. Which is why women have benefitted more from AA than blacks have.

My point is that you do not know why a black man isn’t hired anymore than why a white man is hired. Yes, racism exists, no, it isn’t the reason all the time. AA isn’t about pretty women getting the secretarial job. They aren’t hired based on AA. More women work because they have to. More women get an advanced education to get the opportunities. Yes, I talk more about women because it is what I am most familiar with. My posts on racial issues are from my experiences with them and my opinions from those experiences.

Do they really have to? Or do they make choices that make them have to?

I guess I have just a really weird view on this, because I have a half dozen women in my family, extended family, and Church, that don't work.... because they don't want to.

One of my relatives, was going for a teaching degree, and just decided... nah. Going to stay at home with kids, and cook and clean, and she is very happy.

Now I get that many 'want' to work outside the home. But do that have to?

Just a few things that I need to point out

Andylusion
And the guy was a prolific liar. He lied about absolutely everything. We had a lady that was sick with the flu (this was 2 years ago). She was absolutely incoherent. Couldn't work. Snot rolling down her nose. Tears from her red eyes. She did absolutely nothing all day. I asked in bewilderment "Why are you here?!?".

Well that's what she told you. How do you know she had the flu ? How sick was she really ? I've had the flu. It doesn't make you incoh erent.

Having a stroke makes you incoherent. But she was probably a white women and you swallowed her bullsh*t story.

Let tell you something. Black people are tough. We work through flu. We work through cold and other allergies. We don't fall apart at the slightest sickness. That's why this boss didn't fall for her weak ass story.

And then you had the nerve to ask your black boss "Why are you here ?"

The fact that you can say something as diss-respectful as that and not be punished is beyond belief.

Well actually not really. We do live in a system of racism - white supremacy.

Andylusion
She said this manager told her you can't use sick days for the first 90 days of employment.

Well the black manager is right. She can't use sick days for the 1st 90 days of employment.

Andylusion
She said she was going to contact the HR Department. The manager said, 'you can do that, but I'm in charge, and it will just come back to me, and I'll know what you have said'. Clearly a threat.

No. The so called sick women was challenging his authority. Something she would not have done had the manager been white.

Andylusion
She contacted HR anyway, sure enough he came got her, and started chewing her out, for wanting to use a sick day when she was clearly sick and the employee handbook itself says you can use sick time from the start of employment.

And he was fking right to chew that women out. How dare she try to go over his head ? Are you serious ? By the way, this is the women was supposedly incoherent right ? But she still had the energy to contact HR, state her case, go back and forth with them, but this is a woman that's incoherent. Right ?

Fk out my face

Andylusion
This is a tiny tiny fraction of what all this guy did. This black man was a holy terror, and the least competent manager I have ever dealt with in my life, and I can't even begin to list everything he did while he was there.

Meanwhile you were all plotting against him, blanking him when you walked past him, talking shit about him in the lunch break, trying to sabotage his work, make him look bad. Fk out my face.

You just didn't like the fact that a confident masculine black man had a little bit of authority.

You only have his word about his personal experiences.


You can choose to believe him or not.


But the issues he raises are real. You can pretend they are not.


BUt that is you being dishonest.


AND, everyone knows it.


INcluding you. We know that you know what you are saying is not true.

He was just given a very one sided view point of a story. The black boss is not here to defend himself.

He just could not stomach a confident masculine black man in his work. Ordering him around and earning more money than him and being unapologetic about it.

Says the guy who just defended black people being abused. You can't even defend yourself, and you ARE here.

There are a vast number of black men and women who have yet to reach 70 that witnessed real discrimination, who also have still living relatives who experienced it.

And that justifies discrimination against whites now, how?

You are the one who stated that you would listen to any elderly black person that experienced discrimination. I only pointed out that they are out there in abundance.

On the otherl hand, there is no metric that exists that proves through measuring employment, home ownership, average salary or college graduation rates that reflect any widescale discrimination against white citizens that has had a widespread effect on a national basis.

1. And I stated that I have found that such elderly black people are pretty happy just being treated as equals, and don't seem to need nor expect, nor want, special favoritism based on their being black.

2. ONE small limited example, of hard evidence of documented discrimination is the discrimination show in Ivy League admissions.

1. Of course the average elderly person of any race is less concerned about opportunities tha tg have already been missed. Furthermore the average elderly black person would likely be guarded about what they would even discuss with you.

Most elderly black people that I know are more concerned about their final years being enjoyable. But if they had an opportunity to live their lives over, they would not view legislation to ensure equality as "favoritism".

2. Yes that is definitely a VERY LIMITED example. There is no evidence that white applicants have been or are being displaced on a broad scale by by black applicants.

My bro works hr Fortune 500. Blacks and women who are qualified are very highly sought after. Even not qualified are getting opportunities and white dudes are getting passed up because the ceo wants a diversity candidate.

Make no mistake this is changing peoples lives. Getting the vp job is like a golden ticket. Now you’re in the $500k a year league plus stocks and golden parachutes. Lots of white guys are bitter when they go with the diversity candidate.

White women mostly benefit from this. Holy shit if you can find a black woman you’ve hit the jackpot.

And a black or women will make $1mill a year. My brothers replacement took a better job for double. Now she’s hiring him to go work with her because she’s in over her head.

Are there EVER examples where a white person might not get hired or asks for help because they are not qualified or are in over their heads?"

Of course there are. Many whites were turned down for employment at places o worked.

You aren’t getting it. Far too many times incompetent whites get the job because of white privilege and too many blacks aren’t getting the job because of bias.

I said it before. It doesn’t matter if you morons get it. Big corporations do and they’re workingon diversifying.

How do you know why whites are getting jobs? And I am getting it. I answered the question that was posed.

Your question suggests you don’t get it.

Listen lady, you women benefitted the most from affirmative action. How did we know back then why white women weren’t ever getting the jobs?

Did bias play a part? Of course. To this day men are afraid to hire a women because they worry shes going to have a baby and either quit or not devote as much attention to the job as a man would as soon as she pops the kid out

You know exactly why women back then didn’t get the jobs. It was because of ignorant, male chauvinists who decided they had to be in charge. Contrary to what you may believe, women are smart and can be more capable and worthy of their careers than some men.

Wow! Look at how quickly your attitude changed when we stopped talking about blacks and brought up women.

Suddenly you’re getting it? This is the problem with conservatives. No empathy unless it’s happening to them.

So for the record I agree with you about women but for some reason you don’t agree when it comes to blacks. Could it be because you lack empathy for them?

You seem to have no empathy for whites, especially white males, who are getting the short end of the "push for diversity".

And he imagines things, like saying I don’t agree when it comes to blacks. He didn’t elaborate, but I don’t know where that came from.

Well lets see. You said this "How do you know why whites are getting jobs?"

So I flipped it and instead of blacks I made it about women. Suddenly you became a defender of Affirmative Action.

So I ask you, How do you know why men are getting the jobs instead of women?

To this day women are still the biggest benefitters of Affirmative Action.

I've heard a lot of libs make that claim. Sounds like bullshit. Blacks get the big benefits. Massive sat bonus in college admissions,for one limited example.

That's because a lot of women go to college and they go to good public schools not inner city shit hole schools.

It's not a claim it's a fact. Apparently one that makes you feel uncomfortable.

I've already told you about Maria. She replaced my brother. The CEO insisted on a diversity candidate. They eventually went with Maria because my brother said he would train/teach her. There were a lot of white men who were more qualified.

AND, after a year she left the company because another company paid her double her salary. They too wanted a diversity candidate.

So wait wait wait...... Hold on. Do you not see that you contradicted yourself? Said this....

You aren’t getting it. Far too many times incompetent whites get the job because of white privilege and too many blacks aren’t getting the job because of bias.

And now you said this:

The CEO insisted on a diversity candidate. They eventually went with Maria because my brother said he would train/teach her. There were a lot of white men who were more qualified.

You made the claim that incompetent whites were getting jobs because of white privileged, and then gave a personal testimonial of someone less competent getting a job specifically because of diversity.

So which is it? Because those are mutually exclusive.

I've seen diversity incompetence many times in my life. The last one, was the most egregious.

We had a black guy, who got hired on as a manager, and he was the absolute most incompetent person I have ever seen in management.

First, he was arrogant. So arrogant that he made everyone absolutely hate him, which caused them to do things to intentionally piss him off. Employees hated him so much, that if they saw a mistake, they would intentionally not correct it, just to see him flip out. Packages with the wrong production, or going to the wrong address, all would slide by simply because the employees hated him so much.

What did he do that was so terrible? Everything. He was a disaster

One day he walked in, and proclaimed that there will no longer be any chairs in the warehouse. Problem is we had some women who did inventory work on computers. They removed their chairs. We had women, on their knees.... on the floor... at their desks.... to do their job.

We had a lady come in that had applied to rent an apartment, and the land lord wanted proof she had a job. The lady gave the land lord the managers Email address to ask for evidence she was employed there. All the manager had to do, was hit reply, and say "Yes she works here".

He refused to do it. She couldn't rent the apartment. She had to contact the HR department at the Company HQ, and they contacted the manager, and he refused to do it for them either. Finally the HR Department contacted the land lord and said she had a job. 2 weeks to get a "Yes she has a job" sent to the land lord for an apartment rental.

And the guy was a prolific liar. He lied about absolutely everything.

We had a lady that was sick with the flu (this was 2 years ago). She was absolutely incoherent. Couldn't work. Snot rolling down her nose. Tears from her red eyes. She did absolutely nothing all day. I asked in bewilderment "Why are you here?!?".

She said this manager told her you can't use sick days for the first 90 days of employment. She said she was going to contact the HR Department. The manager said, 'you can do that, but I'm in charge, and it will just come back to me, and I'll know what you have said'. Clearly a threat. She contacted HR anyway, sure enough he came got her, and started chewing her out, for wanting to use a sick day when she was clearly sick and the employee handbook itself says you can use sick time from the start of employment.

This is a tiny tiny fraction of what all this guy did. This black man was a holy terror, and the least competent manager I have ever dealt with in my life, and I can't even begin to list everything he did while he was there.

So why was he able to keep his job for at least 4 years, while being a problem for the HR department the entire time, and having dozens of people quit the job, leaving notes all saying this one guy was the specific reason they quit?

He as black. Diversity is important. That's why.

White privileged? I don't buy it. Even if.... and that is a massive huge *IF*.... Even if there is such a thing as white privilege... diversity is not a solution. Diversity is only an excuse to hire and pay for absolutely incompetent people.

Now I'm agreeing with you. Far too many women are getting jobs that should be going to better qualified men.

Let's see if MizMolly agrees now that it's women we are talking about not blacks.

I did not agree with you. Where did I disagree with you on blacks?

You asked me why I assumed the black person didn't get the job because they were black. Sounded like you were arguing against me and I'm for diversity programs.

You said "How do you know why whites are getting jobs?"

What were you getting at when you said this?

The answer is, in a country as diverse as ours, when we see 95% of the employees are white men, we know that bias is playing a part.

It's a fact that when you sit across from a black man, white man and woman, you have bias even if you don't realize it. And on top of that, people hire people who they can see themselves working with 5 days a week 9 hours a day. So you women have it better than blacks. Men would like to have more women in the office especially pretty ones. Which is why women have benefitted more from AA than blacks have.

My point is that you do not know why a black man isn’t hired anymore than why a white man is hired. Yes, racism exists, no, it isn’t the reason all the time. AA isn’t about pretty women getting the secretarial job. They aren’t hired based on AA. More women work because they have to. More women get an advanced education to get the opportunities. Yes, I talk more about women because it is what I am most familiar with. My posts on racial issues are from my experiences with them and my opinions from those experiences.

Do they really have to? Or do they make choices that make them have to?

I guess I have just a really weird view on this, because I have a half dozen women in my family, extended family, and Church, that don't work.... because they don't want to.

One of my relatives, was going for a teaching degree, and just decided... nah. Going to stay at home with kids, and cook and clean, and she is very happy.

Now I get that many 'want' to work outside the home. But do that have to?

Just a few things that I need to point out

Andylusion
And the guy was a prolific liar. He lied about absolutely everything. We had a lady that was sick with the flu (this was 2 years ago). She was absolutely incoherent. Couldn't work. Snot rolling down her nose. Tears from her red eyes. She did absolutely nothing all day. I asked in bewilderment "Why are you here?!?".

Well that's what she told you. How do you know she had the flu ? How sick was she really ? I've had the flu. It doesn't make you incoh erent.

Having a stroke makes you incoherent. But she was probably a white women and you swallowed her bullsh*t story.

Let tell you something. Black people are tough. We work through flu. We work through cold and other allergies. We don't fall apart at the slightest sickness. That's why this boss didn't fall for her weak ass story.

And then you had the nerve to ask your black boss "Why are you here ?"

The fact that you can say something as diss-respectful as that and not be punished is beyond belief.

Well actually not really. We do live in a system of racism - white supremacy.

Andylusion
She said this manager told her you can't use sick days for the first 90 days of employment.

Well the black manager is right. She can't use sick days for the 1st 90 days of employment.

Andylusion
She said she was going to contact the HR Department. The manager said, 'you can do that, but I'm in charge, and it will just come back to me, and I'll know what you have said'. Clearly a threat.

No. The so called sick women was challenging his authority. Something she would not have done had the manager been white.

Andylusion
She contacted HR anyway, sure enough he came got her, and started chewing her out, for wanting to use a sick day when she was clearly sick and the employee handbook itself says you can use sick time from the start of employment.

And he was fking right to chew that women out. How dare she try to go over his head ? Are you serious ? By the way, this is the women was supposedly incoherent right ? But she still had the energy to contact HR, state her case, go back and forth with them, but this is a woman that's incoherent. Right ?

Fk out my face

Andylusion
This is a tiny tiny fraction of what all this guy did. This black man was a holy terror, and the least competent manager I have ever dealt with in my life, and I can't even begin to list everything he did while he was there.

Meanwhile you were all plotting against him, blanking him when you walked past him, talking shit about him in the lunch break, trying to sabotage his work, make him look bad. Fk out my face.

You just didn't like the fact that a confident masculine black man had a little bit of authority.

You only have his word about his personal experiences.


You can choose to believe him or not.


But the issues he raises are real. You can pretend they are not.


BUt that is you being dishonest.


AND, everyone knows it.


INcluding you. We know that you know what you are saying is not true.

He was just given a very one sided view point of a story. The black boss is not here to defend himself.

He just could not stomach a confident masculine black man in his work. Ordering him around and earning more money than him and being unapologetic about it.

Says the guy who just defended black people being abused. You can't even defend yourself, and you ARE here.

Yes, many women have to work. It is hard to make it with just one income in many households. Some women aren’t married, they have to work.

Most couples in America today would not be middle class if only 1 works.

 

[Paul Essien]

sealybobo
I don't know how you deal with people like these righties on USMB. They don't get it.

They do get it. Andylusion Correll MizMolly harmonica trust me they get it 100%.

But the question that needs to be asked is this

Why should whites give up racism ?

It's actually very understandable why they think the way they do. People will always want to cling to racially unequal systems if their on the right side of those systems. Doing so isn’t irrational at all when you’re on top of the social structure. It makes quite a bit of sense.

So I fully understand why they think the way they do and why they go out of there way to justify that system

White supremacists aren't stupid. These are people who can get the bones of dinosaur millions of years old and tell you what it had for breakfast

Mainstream media presents white supremacists like this



and this



Barely literate, uneducated hilly billy-ish

The problem is by showing racists as half wits, buffoons who "don't get it" then what does that make black people who they dominated, mistreated and abused for centuries ?

That's why I don't say "They don't get it" after all this post I created here has tons of examples of systematic racism. IM2 also has given plenty examples. So they don't think the way they do because of lack of knowldege. They know black people get screwed but they convince themselves that black people are screwed up anyway.

Racism at the systemic level has served the interests of white people as white people in a system where being white has mattered and yeah sure, you still have poor whites. But in a society where whiteness has been given priority status — as a favored caste — those other things will seem irrelevant in the face of it.

 

[IM2]

1) The US supreme court is making it even easier for the cops to kill black people. That's all these laws about. Now sure, they don't mind a few white people getting caught in the crossfire, but essentially these laws are about killing or harming black people

2) What would have happened if he was black ?

A white man points gun at Cops. They Ask Him to Stand Down. He Shoots at them. They ask him to stand Down again. He refuses again and fights With Cops. But he is taken alive

What would have happened if he was black ?

What would have happened if he was black ?

What would have happened if he was black ?

3) You know how white supremacist love to lie about "Were helping black people. Look at all this aid we give"

Yeah a bag of rice for a bag of diamonds.

This is an old mafia trick. The mafia used to kill a wife's husband then a week later, show up at her house with a envelope of money telling her "What a great guy he was". White supremacists acts of aggression are always followed by white supremacist acts of compassion. You must keep the victims confused.

But this is what the Red cross is doing haiti. Child Sex rings etc. They've found 21 cases of sexual misconduct in last three years but of course keep digging and the real number is in the thousands. Not that the money was ever meant to go to Haiti.

Once again. White supremacists have history.

This is happening to black/African ppl globally. British soldiers that were forcing the poverty stricken African women and underage girls to have sex with them in exchange for food and clean water.

3) Screen writer of the original Planet of The Apes says the film was about about Black people

Now watch how quickly this post will get locked.

To the mods black people talking about racism on a section of a forum that's dedicated to racism is race baiting.

Because in USMB if you talk about racism then you must focus on how screwed up, violent or dumb black people supposedly are anything else is race baiting.

Sad that you do not give a shit about the 10000 blacks murdered in shitcago by other blacks

And where did you get this figure from? Stormfront?

 

[esalla]

1) The US supreme court is making it even easier for the cops to kill black people. That's all these laws about. Now sure, they don't mind a few white people getting caught in the crossfire, but essentially these laws are about killing or harming black people

2) What would have happened if he was black ?

A white man points gun at Cops. They Ask Him to Stand Down. He Shoots at them. They ask him to stand Down again. He refuses again and fights With Cops. But he is taken alive

What would have happened if he was black ?

What would have happened if he was black ?

What would have happened if he was black ?

3) You know how white supremacist love to lie about "Were helping black people. Look at all this aid we give"

Yeah a bag of rice for a bag of diamonds.

This is an old mafia trick. The mafia used to kill a wife's husband then a week later, show up at her house with a envelope of money telling her "What a great guy he was". White supremacists acts of aggression are always followed by white supremacist acts of compassion. You must keep the victims confused.

But this is what the Red cross is doing haiti. Child Sex rings etc. They've found 21 cases of sexual misconduct in last three years but of course keep digging and the real number is in the thousands. Not that the money was ever meant to go to Haiti.

Once again. White supremacists have history.

This is happening to black/African ppl globally. British soldiers that were forcing the poverty stricken African women and underage girls to have sex with them in exchange for food and clean water.

3) Screen writer of the original Planet of The Apes says the film was about about Black people

Now watch how quickly this post will get locked.

To the mods black people talking about racism on a section of a forum that's dedicated to racism is race baiting.

Because in USMB if you talk about racism then you must focus on how screwed up, violent or dumb black people supposedly are anything else is race baiting.

Sad that you do not give a shit about the 10000 blacks murdered in shitcago by other blacks

And where did you get this figure from? Stormfront?

Google it kid, add up the death totals by year

Lol

 

[IM2]

Andylusion
And on that board there was not a single non white face. And to this day that has not changed.

What board ? Board of what ? Board of cleaners ?

Also black people have no friends. There are many Asians, and Latino's who are just as anti black as many whites. Who were the owners ?

Who were the people that had the final say in the black boss not coming in to work on Monday ? I'm 99% certain he was not black

Andylusion
And why is that a problem?

White supremacists can put black face in a position of power knowing they're not gonna rock the boat (EG Obama). It's the same way, you often see black chief of police in these towns where black people get killed. But when it comes blk ppl trying to punish these cops you really see whose running the show.

Andylusion
See this is my issue. You assume that a non-white face must be hired, in order for things to improve.

I have never said that a non white person should be hired. Second I'm only concerned with black people. Black people have no friends. Asians and Latinos are just as anti black as whites are.

It's about black people. Not ass kissing black people like Larry Elder and Thomas Sewell who make a living by telling white supremacist what they wanna hear.

PREACH!

 

[IM2]

1) The US supreme court is making it even easier for the cops to kill black people. That's all these laws about. Now sure, they don't mind a few white people getting caught in the crossfire, but essentially these laws are about killing or harming black people

2) What would have happened if he was black ?

A white man points gun at Cops. They Ask Him to Stand Down. He Shoots at them. They ask him to stand Down again. He refuses again and fights With Cops. But he is taken alive

What would have happened if he was black ?

What would have happened if he was black ?

What would have happened if he was black ?

3) You know how white supremacist love to lie about "Were helping black people. Look at all this aid we give"

Yeah a bag of rice for a bag of diamonds.

This is an old mafia trick. The mafia used to kill a wife's husband then a week later, show up at her house with a envelope of money telling her "What a great guy he was". White supremacists acts of aggression are always followed by white supremacist acts of compassion. You must keep the victims confused.

But this is what the Red cross is doing haiti. Child Sex rings etc. They've found 21 cases of sexual misconduct in last three years but of course keep digging and the real number is in the thousands. Not that the money was ever meant to go to Haiti.

Once again. White supremacists have history.

This is happening to black/African ppl globally. British soldiers that were forcing the poverty stricken African women and underage girls to have sex with them in exchange for food and clean water.

3) Screen writer of the original Planet of The Apes says the film was about about Black people

Now watch how quickly this post will get locked.

To the mods black people talking about racism on a section of a forum that's dedicated to racism is race baiting.

Because in USMB if you talk about racism then you must focus on how screwed up, violent or dumb black people supposedly are anything else is race baiting.

Sad that you do not give a shit about the 10000 blacks murdered in shitcago by other blacks

And where did you get this figure from? Stormfront?

Google it kid, add up the death totals by year

Lol

Don't need to because Chicago is not the entire country and Chicago is a white racist anecdote used when they are too stupid to argue the issue at hand.

 

[esalla]

1) The US supreme court is making it even easier for the cops to kill black people. That's all these laws about. Now sure, they don't mind a few white people getting caught in the crossfire, but essentially these laws are about killing or harming black people

2) What would have happened if he was black ?

A white man points gun at Cops. They Ask Him to Stand Down. He Shoots at them. They ask him to stand Down again. He refuses again and fights With Cops. But he is taken alive

What would have happened if he was black ?

What would have happened if he was black ?

What would have happened if he was black ?

3) You know how white supremacist love to lie about "Were helping black people. Look at all this aid we give"

Yeah a bag of rice for a bag of diamonds.

This is an old mafia trick. The mafia used to kill a wife's husband then a week later, show up at her house with a envelope of money telling her "What a great guy he was". White supremacists acts of aggression are always followed by white supremacist acts of compassion. You must keep the victims confused.

But this is what the Red cross is doing haiti. Child Sex rings etc. They've found 21 cases of sexual misconduct in last three years but of course keep digging and the real number is in the thousands. Not that the money was ever meant to go to Haiti.

Once again. White supremacists have history.

This is happening to black/African ppl globally. British soldiers that were forcing the poverty stricken African women and underage girls to have sex with them in exchange for food and clean water.

3) Screen writer of the original Planet of The Apes says the film was about about Black people

Now watch how quickly this post will get locked.

To the mods black people talking about racism on a section of a forum that's dedicated to racism is race baiting.

Because in USMB if you talk about racism then you must focus on how screwed up, violent or dumb black people supposedly are anything else is race baiting.

Sad that you do not give a shit about the 10000 blacks murdered in shitcago by other blacks

And where did you get this figure from? Stormfront?

Google it kid, add up the death totals by year

Lol

Don't need to because Chicago is not the entire country and Chicago is a white racist anecdote used when they are too stupid to argue the issue at hand.

True so your argument becomes 20000 blacks have killed other blacks

Good point

 

[Paul Essien]

Sad that you do not give a shit about the 10000 blacks murdered in shitcago by other blacks

How does a black person killing another black person in Chicago affect white people ?

But I'm supposed to believe that you care about black people in chicago ?

 

[IM2]

1. We have no reason to doubt his version of the story. Not all stories are nuanced.

Do you think it would be correct for a black person to doubt the story of white man who got a black person the sack ?

2. Your version is based on nothing but you being a racist asshole.

I don't believe a word of Andylusion story..

I've seen it million of times.

Many (Not all) whites and non blacks will often do their best to piss a black person off in work. They'll try to get you angry and if the blk person reacts ? They'll go right into victim mode and then they'll run their asses right down to HR

Now if you are black janitor, black cleaner then whites will often super kind to him or her. Or if you are black person, and you act kinda gay or goofy, then your the entertainment.

But all I read from Andylusion (And bear in mind he's had time to think about this) he was with a masculine, no smiling or joking black men, who was in a superior position to him and who was very serious about his work

When he says this

Andylusion
Most of my bosses have been friends. Most of them. I've been very close friends with most of my managers, bosses, and business owners. In fact, I think I've only had maybe 3 truly terrible bosses, that I was most certainly not friends with.

That tells me. He's never been around any real men and he's more on the feminine side. Not the masculine. Not only do I not want my boss as my friend. I don't want any friends from work.

Also I think he was lying about this too. I'm pretty confident to say that all his bosses who he claimed were friends are not even in his cell phone.

I don't know how you deal with people like these righties on USMB. They don't get it. They can't admit blame or responsibility or even willful negligence.

Those black guys put their fists up at the Olympics, they demonized. Kappernick? Demonized. Treyvon Martin, Demonized. BLM? THey are so racist and ignorant they don't get it. Well hopefully the youth gets it. I really hope black people show up this November we need to take this country back from these people.

They did a good job convincing you us liberals are no better well guess what? Black people aren't any better than us liberals either. You guys have racist opinions of whites. You can be prejustice. You can discriminate too. You objectify women. You get offended when we compare your struggle to that of gays.

So no one is perfect but at least now you realize who the true enemy is. I'm the white guy in corporate America who believes in diversity. These cons are the ones who don't hire blacks and don't even acknowledge their bias even though we see it here daily.

No one "demonized" Treyvon Martin. We looked at his history, and the facts of the case, and stated those facts. He was a criminal, who attacked someone, and got shot for it.... and rightly so.

That is not demonizing. That stating reality.

Now Kappernick is demonized for sure. And rightly so. Sorry... but people don't watch sports to be lectured at.

And honestly, Kappernick is a spoiled arrogant brat. You make $126 MILLION Dollars...... to play a GAME.... and you want to sit around complaining that America is evil and racists? You want to protest what exactly? You make $126 Million dollars, and live a life that 99.9% of the entire planet, can't even dream about.... and you want to protest? We have families of four, living in Mexico, living inside a refrigerate box, and you want to complain about how horribly oppressed you are with $126 Million dollars to play a game? In Rwanda they slaughtered one million people with machetes, hacking them to death, including women with infants, that had their heads sliced open by machete.... and you want to complain about how oppressed you are with your $126 Million to play a game?

Kappernick was a worthless pile of dog poo, and he was demonized, and he was demonized rightly so. A spoiled brat living a dream life, and having the arrogance to whine about the country that let him live that dream life, by playing a game.

I'm the white guy in corporate America who believes in diversity. These cons are the ones who don't hire blacks and don't even acknowledge their bias even though we see it here daily.

Yeah, we have to admit to something that isn't true?

I can't "acknowledge" something that is clearly incorrect. Cons are the ones that don't hire blacks? When? Where? Name one?

Not true.

You did not look at the facts of this case.

 

[esalla]

Sad that you do not give a shit about the 10000 blacks murdered in shitcago by other blacks

How does black person killing another black person in Chicago affetc white people ?

But I'm supposed to believe that you really care if a black person kills another black person in Chicago ?

So in your sad world the black people killed by other black people have no white friends

Keep jerking on it kid

 

[Paul Essien]

So in your sad world the black people killed by other black people have no white friends

You don't care if a black person kills another black people. Just stop.

 

[esalla]

So in your sad world the black people killed by other black people have no white friends

You don't care if black people killing black people. Just stop.

Yes I do



Perhaps you do not care

 

[IM2]

1) The US supreme court is making it even easier for the cops to kill black people. That's all these laws about. Now sure, they don't mind a few white people getting caught in the crossfire, but essentially these laws are about killing or harming black people

2) What would have happened if he was black ?

A white man points gun at Cops. They Ask Him to Stand Down. He Shoots at them. They ask him to stand Down again. He refuses again and fights With Cops. But he is taken alive

What would have happened if he was black ?

What would have happened if he was black ?

What would have happened if he was black ?

3) You know how white supremacist love to lie about "Were helping black people. Look at all this aid we give"

Yeah a bag of rice for a bag of diamonds.

This is an old mafia trick. The mafia used to kill a wife's husband then a week later, show up at her house with a envelope of money telling her "What a great guy he was". White supremacists acts of aggression are always followed by white supremacist acts of compassion. You must keep the victims confused.

But this is what the Red cross is doing haiti. Child Sex rings etc. They've found 21 cases of sexual misconduct in last three years but of course keep digging and the real number is in the thousands. Not that the money was ever meant to go to Haiti.

Once again. White supremacists have history.

This is happening to black/African ppl globally. British soldiers that were forcing the poverty stricken African women and underage girls to have sex with them in exchange for food and clean water.

3) Screen writer of the original Planet of The Apes says the film was about about Black people

Now watch how quickly this post will get locked.

To the mods black people talking about racism on a section of a forum that's dedicated to racism is race baiting.

Because in USMB if you talk about racism then you must focus on how screwed up, violent or dumb black people supposedly are anything else is race baiting.

Sad that you do not give a shit about the 10000 blacks murdered in shitcago by other blacks

And where did you get this figure from? Stormfront?

Google it kid, add up the death totals by year

Lol

Don't need to because Chicago is not the entire country and Chicago is a white racist anecdote used when they are too stupid to argue the issue at hand.

True so your argument becomes 20000 blacks have killed other blacks

Good point

In 2018 according to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 3,315 whites were murdered. 2,925 blacks were murdered. 81 percent of all whites who were killed were killed by another white person and more whites were killed than blacks. Even more important in debunking this lie you made up is the fact that more whites killed each other(2677) than blacks who killed each other(2600).

Concern yourself with whites killing each other.

 

[IM2]

So in your sad world the black people killed by other black people have no white friends

You don't care if black people killing black people. Just stop.

Yes I do



Perhaps you do not care

No, you don't. You oppose the BLM movement to defund police and are using this murder to fit your narrative.

 

[Meathead]

1) The US supreme court is making it even easier for the cops to kill black people. That's all these laws about. Now sure, they don't mind a few white people getting caught in the crossfire, but essentially these laws are about killing or harming black people

2) What would have happened if he was black ?

A white man points gun at Cops. They Ask Him to Stand Down. He Shoots at them. They ask him to stand Down again. He refuses again and fights With Cops. But he is taken alive

What would have happened if he was black ?

What would have happened if he was black ?

What would have happened if he was black ?

3) You know how white supremacist love to lie about "Were helping black people. Look at all this aid we give"

Yeah a bag of rice for a bag of diamonds.

This is an old mafia trick. The mafia used to kill a wife's husband then a week later, show up at her house with a envelope of money telling her "What a great guy he was". White supremacists acts of aggression are always followed by white supremacist acts of compassion. You must keep the victims confused.

But this is what the Red cross is doing haiti. Child Sex rings etc. They've found 21 cases of sexual misconduct in last three years but of course keep digging and the real number is in the thousands. Not that the money was ever meant to go to Haiti.

Once again. White supremacists have history.

This is happening to black/African ppl globally. British soldiers that were forcing the poverty stricken African women and underage girls to have sex with them in exchange for food and clean water.

3) Screen writer of the original Planet of The Apes says the film was about about Black people

Now watch how quickly this post will get locked.

To the mods black people talking about racism on a section of a forum that's dedicated to racism is race baiting.

Because in USMB if you talk about racism then you must focus on how screwed up, violent or dumb black people supposedly are anything else is race baiting.

Sad that you do not give a shit about the 10000 blacks murdered in shitcago by other blacks

And where did you get this figure from? Stormfront?

Google it kid, add up the death totals by year

Lol

Don't need to because Chicago is not the entire country and Chicago is a white racist anecdote used when they are too stupid to argue the issue at hand.

True so your argument becomes 20000 blacks have killed other blacks

Good point

In 2018 according to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 3,315 whites were murdered. 2,925 blacks were murdered. 81 percent of all whites who were killed were killed by another white person and more whites were killed than blacks. Even more important in debunking this lie you made up is the fact that more whites killed each other(2677) than blacks who killed each other(2600).

Concern yourself with whites killing each other.

Oh God, here we go with the math again. If it weren't sad, it would be funny.

Racial achievement gap in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Paul Essien]

So in your sad world the black people killed by other black people have no white friends

You don't care if black people killing black people. Just stop.

Yes I do



Perhaps you do not care

Are more blk people killed by black people than by the police ?

Yes

But that would have been true 100 years ago.

But would have that have excused the lynchings and the KKK etc killing and harming black people ?