Now I'm agreeing with you. Far too many women are getting jobs that should be going to better qualified men.So wait wait wait...... Hold on. Do you not see that you contradicted yourself? Said this....That's because a lot of women go to college and they go to good public schools not inner city shit hole schools.Well lets see. You said this "How do you know why whites are getting jobs?"And he imagines things, like saying I don’t agree when it comes to blacks. He didn’t elaborate, but I don’t know where that came from.Wow! Look at how quickly your attitude changed when we stopped talking about blacks and brought up women.You know exactly why women back then didn’t get the jobs. It was because of ignorant, male chauvinists who decided they had to be in charge. Contrary to what you may believe, women are smart and can be more capable and worthy of their careers than some men.Your question suggests you don’t get it.How do you know why whites are getting jobs? And I am getting it. I answered the question that was posed.You aren’t getting it. Far too many times incompetent whites get the job because of white privilege and too many blacks aren’t getting the job because of bias.Of course there are. Many whites were turned down for employment at places o worked.Are there EVER examples where a white person might not get hired or asks for help because they are not qualified or are in over their heads?"My bro works hr Fortune 500. Blacks and women who are qualified are very highly sought after. Even not qualified are getting opportunities and white dudes are getting passed up because the ceo wants a diversity candidate.1. Of course the average elderly person of any race is less concerned about opportunities tha tg have already been missed. Furthermore the average elderly black person would likely be guarded about what they would even discuss with you.
You are the one who stated that you would listen to any elderly black person that experienced discrimination. I only pointed out that they are out there in abundance.
On the otherl hand, there is no metric that exists that proves through measuring employment, home ownership, average salary or college graduation rates that reflect any widescale discrimination against white citizens that has had a widespread effect on a national basis.
1. And I stated that I have found that such elderly black people are pretty happy just being treated as equals, and don't seem to need nor expect, nor want, special favoritism based on their being black.
2. ONE small limited example, of hard evidence of documented discrimination is the discrimination show in Ivy League admissions.
Most elderly black people that I know are more concerned about their final years being enjoyable. But if they had an opportunity to live their lives over, they would not view legislation to ensure equality as "favoritism".
2. Yes that is definitely a VERY LIMITED example. There is no evidence that white applicants have been or are being displaced on a broad scale by by black applicants.
Make no mistake this is changing peoples lives. Getting the vp job is like a golden ticket. Now you’re in the $500k a year league plus stocks and golden parachutes. Lots of white guys are bitter when they go with the diversity candidate.
White women mostly benefit from this. Holy shit if you can find a black woman you’ve hit the jackpot.
And a black or women will make $1mill a year. My brothers replacement took a better job for double. Now she’s hiring him to go work with her because she’s in over her head.
I said it before. It doesn’t matter if you morons get it. Big corporations do and they’re workingon diversifying.
Listen lady, you women benefitted the most from affirmative action. How did we know back then why white women weren’t ever getting the jobs?
Did bias play a part? Of course. To this day men are afraid to hire a women because they worry shes going to have a baby and either quit or not devote as much attention to the job as a man would as soon as she pops the kid out
Suddenly you’re getting it? This is the problem with conservatives. No empathy unless it’s happening to them.
So for the record I agree with you about women but for some reason you don’t agree when it comes to blacks. Could it be because you lack empathy for them?
You seem to have no empathy for whites, especially white males, who are getting the short end of the "push for diversity".
So I flipped it and instead of blacks I made it about women. Suddenly you became a defender of Affirmative Action.
So I ask you, How do you know why men are getting the jobs instead of women?
To this day women are still the biggest benefitters of Affirmative Action.
I've heard a lot of libs make that claim. Sounds like bullshit. Blacks get the big benefits. Massive sat bonus in college admissions,for one limited example.
It's not a claim it's a fact. Apparently one that makes you feel uncomfortable.
I've already told you about Maria. She replaced my brother. The CEO insisted on a diversity candidate. They eventually went with Maria because my brother said he would train/teach her. There were a lot of white men who were more qualified.
AND, after a year she left the company because another company paid her double her salary. They too wanted a diversity candidate.
And now you said this:You aren’t getting it. Far too many times incompetent whites get the job because of white privilege and too many blacks aren’t getting the job because of bias.
You made the claim that incompetent whites were getting jobs because of white privileged, and then gave a personal testimonial of someone less competent getting a job specifically because of diversity.The CEO insisted on a diversity candidate. They eventually went with Maria because my brother said he would train/teach her. There were a lot of white men who were more qualified.
So which is it? Because those are mutually exclusive.
I've seen diversity incompetence many times in my life. The last one, was the most egregious.
We had a black guy, who got hired on as a manager, and he was the absolute most incompetent person I have ever seen in management.
First, he was arrogant. So arrogant that he made everyone absolutely hate him, which caused them to do things to intentionally piss him off. Employees hated him so much, that if they saw a mistake, they would intentionally not correct it, just to see him flip out. Packages with the wrong production, or going to the wrong address, all would slide by simply because the employees hated him so much.
What did he do that was so terrible? Everything. He was a disaster
One day he walked in, and proclaimed that there will no longer be any chairs in the warehouse. Problem is we had some women who did inventory work on computers. They removed their chairs. We had women, on their knees.... on the floor... at their desks.... to do their job.
We had a lady come in that had applied to rent an apartment, and the land lord wanted proof she had a job. The lady gave the land lord the managers Email address to ask for evidence she was employed there. All the manager had to do, was hit reply, and say "Yes she works here".
He refused to do it. She couldn't rent the apartment. She had to contact the HR department at the Company HQ, and they contacted the manager, and he refused to do it for them either. Finally the HR Department contacted the land lord and said she had a job. 2 weeks to get a "Yes she has a job" sent to the land lord for an apartment rental.
And the guy was a prolific liar. He lied about absolutely everything.
We had a lady that was sick with the flu (this was 2 years ago). She was absolutely incoherent. Couldn't work. Snot rolling down her nose. Tears from her red eyes. She did absolutely nothing all day. I asked in bewilderment "Why are you here?!?".
She said this manager told her you can't use sick days for the first 90 days of employment. She said she was going to contact the HR Department. The manager said, 'you can do that, but I'm in charge, and it will just come back to me, and I'll know what you have said'. Clearly a threat. She contacted HR anyway, sure enough he came got her, and started chewing her out, for wanting to use a sick day when she was clearly sick and the employee handbook itself says you can use sick time from the start of employment.
This is a tiny tiny fraction of what all this guy did. This black man was a holy terror, and the least competent manager I have ever dealt with in my life, and I can't even begin to list everything he did while he was there.
So why was he able to keep his job for at least 4 years, while being a problem for the HR department the entire time, and having dozens of people quit the job, leaving notes all saying this one guy was the specific reason they quit?
He as black. Diversity is important. That's why.
White privileged? I don't buy it. Even if.... and that is a massive huge *IF*.... Even if there is such a thing as white privilege... diversity is not a solution. Diversity is only an excuse to hire and pay for absolutely incompetent people.
Let's see if MizMolly agrees now that it's women we are talking about not blacks.
All the processes and laws and pushes for "Diversity" that apply to women, also apply to blacks.
Why do white males not get any concern for "Fairness" from you?
AND again, don't pretend it is all VP jobs. Plenty of working class white guys, lose jobs like that, that really fuck them.