More stupid U.S. escalation with China over Taiwan

[toobfreak]

What we say and what we will do about Taiwan are two different things.

You know it with Joe Biddum in office. EVERYTHING he says and does are after all, different.

If there’s anything to be said about Biden, it’s that he’s too honest for his own good.

I think you meant anything NOT to be said about Biddum. Anyone who thinks Joe Biden "honest" has a crack in their head.

 

[toobfreak]

She apparently caught covid before the last attempted visit and thus cancelled.

How is that possible? Isn't she vaccinated? When Trump was in office, EVERY PERSON WHO CAUGHT COVID was a direct result of Trump's incompetence and according to the Left, should be allowed to rot and die for not thinking of the greater good of the country.

I really think we should send Pelosi. Just imagine what might happen over there. Maybe China will attack. Maybe they will make her disappear. I'll take my chances.

 

[konradv]

You know it with Joe Biddum in office. EVERYTHING he says and does are after all, different.
I think you meant anything NOT to be said about Biddum. Anyone who thinks Joe Biden "honest" has a crack in their head.

It’s got nothing to do with Biden, skippy.

 

[toobfreak]

It’s got nothing to do with Biden

Apparently, NOTHING has anything to do with Biddum. Not his election, not his administration, not his policies, not even his pressers.

The closest thing Joe has done to doing anything since in office was almost riding a bicycle before falling over.

Just who IS running this country and calling the shots now? It can't be Jill or Hairy, so maybe it is Hunter, Susan Rice, George Soros and China.

 

[Roudy]

If China is such a bad actor that an independent state receiving a visitor from another government means war,


we should not be trading with them, at all.

They have the good on our so called president, the head of the Biden Crime Family, so he’s going to do as he’s told, otherwise they spill the beans.

 

[Roudy]

Apparently, NOTHING has anything to do with Biddum. Not his election, not his administration, not his policies, not even his pressers.

The closest thing Joe has done to doing anything since in office was almost riding a bicycle before falling over.

Just who IS running this country and calling the shots now? It can't be Jill or Hairy, so maybe it is Hunter, Susan Rice, George Soros and China.

Correction…if it’s not good, then it has nothing to do with Biden, and anything that’s good (oil prices going down an insignificant amount), his handlers will make him go there and brag about how he caused it. That is, if Biden can read what he’s supposed to say from the teleprompter, without putting his foot in his mouth.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

Well, thanks to the peanut gallery for bumping my OP!

Too bad they have, as I predicted, nothing pertinent to say about the topic. Are they with the political opportunists and militarists — ever more powerful in both parties — who are abandoning the “One China” policy and fantasize of winning a war with China over Taiwan? Or will they just wait until Trump is back in office and tells them what to think?

Maybe neither. Maybe they only know how to troll …

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, thanks to the peanut gallery for bumping my OP!

Too bad they have, as I predicted, nothing pertinent to say about the topic. Are they with the political opportunists and militarists — ever more powerful in both parties — who are abandoning the “One China” policy and fantasize of winning a war with China over Taiwan? Or will they just wait until Trump is back in office and tells them what to think?

Maybe neither. Maybe they only know how to troll …

The One China policy is stupid.
End it.
Kill it with fire.

 

[Correll]

They have the good on our so called president, the head of the Biden Crime Family, so he’s going to do as he’s told, otherwise they spill the beans.

This goes back way before Biden.

 

[Indeependent]

I don’t expect any intelligence from the Trumpian “peanut gallery” here, which sees the problem as totally partisan, being centered on Biden having “no balls.” The problem is with the bipartisan U.S drift toward repudiation of the “One China” commitments we made to China decades ago.

We may be heading straight toward a totally avoidable military conflict with China over Taiwan — that will make the world economic problems arising from the Russian invasion of Ukraine seem almost insignificant by comparison.

Biden has no balls.

 

[gipper]

Biden has no balls.

And no brain thanks to dementia.

 

[Roudy]

Biden will do as he’s told.

 

[Mac-7]

Pelosi’s big trip to Taiwan draws ire from China — and White House
The critics are right, a visit from such a high ranking official would be a serious mistake and the president should ask her to cancel it.

President Biden also seemed to question the wisdom of the trip, but he presented the objection to Pelosi’s visit as coming from military officials rather than directly from him. “The military thinks that it’s not a good idea right now,” Biden said on Wednesday in response to a reporter’s question.

In this case, the military is right. While there is an understandable desire to show support for Taiwan in response to increasing tensions with China, Pelosi’s visit would be a serious mistake that would likely make things worse. Sending one of the highest-ranking U.S. officials to Taiwan is bound to be very provocative, and it would expose Taiwan to additional risks for the sake of nothing more important than a glorified photo op.


The report of Pelosi’s planned visit also comes in the wake of other visits to Taiwan by former top officials, including former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former Secretary of Defense Mike Esper. During his visit, Esper called for an end to U.S. “strategic ambiguity.” Coming so soon after Esper’s remarks, a Pelosi visit would likely be interpreted as another step in the direction of making an explicit U.S. commitment to Taiwan’s defense.

Given that the president already erroneously declared in May that the U.S. has a commitment to fight for Taiwan, there is considerable confusion about the Biden administration’s policy on this question. The apparent lack of coordination between Biden and Pelosi over the August visit has only added to that confusion.

Pelosi's big trip to Taiwan draws ire from China â and White House

The critics are right, a visit from such a high ranking official would be a serious mistake and the president should ask her to cancel it.

responsiblestatecraft.org

China can suck a lemon

Taiwan is a free country and china will have to get used to that

 

[White 6]

Tip-toe around tyrants long enough and they'll get a big head.

They have the big head, already. Still think, it is the wrong moment for her to make a statement by going, as she is not the one that sets foreign policy by a publicly announce visit.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

There is apparently still no decision from the Biden Administration or from Pelosi herself on her possible visit to Taiwan in August.

It is also not clear if Chinese protests that Taiwan is part of China and that this is a step toward the U.S. formally recognizing Taiwan’s independence … means that China will actually take physical action in response.

The United States armed forces, well aware of their inability to effectively counter a Chinese demonstration of power near Taiwan, already opposed the visit. The U.S. military is cognizant that China now has the ability to expose U.S. weakness in the area — short of all-out nuclear war. One prominent commentator and ex-editor of the Chinese Global Times, Hu Xijin …

“suggested that China establish a no-fly zone over Taiwan, or that the People's Liberation Army should send military aircraft to accompany Pelosi's plane when it enters the island and fly cross the island…”

Such an “escort measure” and “flyover” is easily within the capabilities of the Chinese armed forces today, and could prove extremely humiliating for the U.S.A. and its military.

***

With or without Pelosi's visit, China-US relations are likely to experience a continued decline partially because a series of new anti-China bills and policies are about to be introduced in the US Congress. This despite the fact that escalating tensions will greatly hurt the US economy. Indeed there have also been perfectly reasonable calls for Biden to remove at least some of Trump’s tariffs to lower inflation.

Former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, a “real politics” war criminal himself, in an interview on Tuesday warned Biden against "endless confrontation" with China.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

There is apparently still no decision from the Biden Administration or from Pelosi herself on her possible visit to Taiwan in August.

It is also not clear if Chinese protests that Taiwan is part of China and that this is a step toward the U.S. formally recognizing Taiwan’s independence … means that China will actually take physical action in response.

The United States armed forces, well aware of their inability to effectively counter a Chinese demonstration of power near Taiwan, already opposed the visit. The U.S. military is cognizant that China now has the ability to expose U.S. weakness in the area — short of all-out nuclear war. One prominent commentator and ex-editor of the Chinese Global Times, Hu Xijin …

“suggested that China establish a no-fly zone over Taiwan, or that the People's Liberation Army should send military aircraft to accompany Pelosi's plane when it enters the island and fly cross the island…”

Such an “escort measure” and “flyover” is easily within the capabilities of the Chinese armed forces today, and could prove extremely humiliating for the U.S.A. and its military.

***

With or without Pelosi's visit, China-US relations are likely to experience a continued decline partially because a series of new anti-China bills and policies are about to be introduced in the US Congress. This despite the fact that escalating tensions will greatly hurt the US economy. Indeed there have also been perfectly reasonable calls for Biden to remove at least some of Trump’s tariffs to lower inflation.

Former US secretary of state Henry Kissinger, a “real politics” war criminal himself, in an interview on Tuesday warned Biden against "endless confrontation" with China.

Where did you get such a ridiculous idea?

 

[JWBooth]

Pelosi’s big trip to Taiwan draws ire from China — and White House
The critics are right, a visit from such a high ranking official would be a serious mistake and the president should ask her to cancel it.

President Biden also seemed to question the wisdom of the trip, but he presented the objection to Pelosi’s visit as coming from military officials rather than directly from him. “The military thinks that it’s not a good idea right now,” Biden said on Wednesday in response to a reporter’s question.

In this case, the military is right. While there is an understandable desire to show support for Taiwan in response to increasing tensions with China, Pelosi’s visit would be a serious mistake that would likely make things worse. Sending one of the highest-ranking U.S. officials to Taiwan is bound to be very provocative, and it would expose Taiwan to additional risks for the sake of nothing more important than a glorified photo op.


The report of Pelosi’s planned visit also comes in the wake of other visits to Taiwan by former top officials, including former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former Secretary of Defense Mike Esper. During his visit, Esper called for an end to U.S. “strategic ambiguity.” Coming so soon after Esper’s remarks, a Pelosi visit would likely be interpreted as another step in the direction of making an explicit U.S. commitment to Taiwan’s defense.

Given that the president already erroneously declared in May that the U.S. has a commitment to fight for Taiwan, there is considerable confusion about the Biden administration’s policy on this question. The apparent lack of coordination between Biden and Pelosi over the August visit has only added to that confusion.

Pelosi's big trip to Taiwan draws ire from China â and White House

The critics are right, a visit from such a high ranking official would be a serious mistake and the president should ask her to cancel it.

responsiblestatecraft.org

Optics seem to be a big deal to the Chinese and after fifty years of relations, the US govt. really ought to have figured that out by now.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

The U.S. couldn’t even stop Trump’s lunatic shaman with antlers from invading the Capitol!

You are talking through your own hat here, Admiral. Why do YOU think the military doesn’t want Pelosi to go???

I’ve provided one Rand Corporarion study. There are many others. Of course I’m sure you think that everything would change if only YOU were “admiral” of the 7th fleet! Right … “Admiral”?

 

[JWBooth]

I think an invasion fleet will be sunk, regardless of the party in power and the Chinese know it.

Not a problem since one doesn't exist.

 

[Dragonlady]

Pelosi’s big trip to Taiwan draws ire from China — and White House
The critics are right, a visit from such a high ranking official would be a serious mistake and the president should ask her to cancel it.

President Biden also seemed to question the wisdom of the trip, but he presented the objection to Pelosi’s visit as coming from military officials rather than directly from him. “The military thinks that it’s not a good idea right now,” Biden said on Wednesday in response to a reporter’s question.

In this case, the military is right. While there is an understandable desire to show support for Taiwan in response to increasing tensions with China, Pelosi’s visit would be a serious mistake that would likely make things worse. Sending one of the highest-ranking U.S. officials to Taiwan is bound to be very provocative, and it would expose Taiwan to additional risks for the sake of nothing more important than a glorified photo op.


The report of Pelosi’s planned visit also comes in the wake of other visits to Taiwan by former top officials, including former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former Secretary of Defense Mike Esper. During his visit, Esper called for an end to U.S. “strategic ambiguity.” Coming so soon after Esper’s remarks, a Pelosi visit would likely be interpreted as another step in the direction of making an explicit U.S. commitment to Taiwan’s defense.

Given that the president already erroneously declared in May that the U.S. has a commitment to fight for Taiwan, there is considerable confusion about the Biden administration’s policy on this question. The apparent lack of coordination between Biden and Pelosi over the August visit has only added to that confusion.

Pelosi's big trip to Taiwan draws ire from China â and White House

The critics are right, a visit from such a high ranking official would be a serious mistake and the president should ask her to cancel it.

responsiblestatecraft.org

So now you want American political leaders to do China's bidding?????? You're angry that Pelosi isn't doing what President Xi would want her to do????

Are you sure you want to agree that Pelosi should do what Chairman Xi wants???? What happened to "standing up to China" or "not letting China walk all over you"???? I guess you only wanted Trump to stand up to China.