More Europeans Will Die from Energy Crisis Than Ukraine War?

[Damaged Eagle]

Then raise, hunt, or make it yourself

*****SMILE*****

 

[westwall]

Capitalists murder people for their natural resources.
Socialists advocate for a market based on need instead of ability to pay (or pillage)

No, they don't you retard. They BUY the resources.

 

[georgephillip]

Nonsense. Look at the reality.

The reality I see is western capitalists fighting for regime change in Russia to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.

 

[georgephillip]

I agree that too few people have so much wealth. What you seem to not understand is government regulations REINFORCE the disparity.

Regulations by a government owned by the richest one percent of its citizens, i.e., those who "own" the means of production.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Capitalists murder people for their natural resources.
Socialists advocate for a market based on need instead of ability to pay (or pillage)

You've almost convinced me about being a socialist; I feel a need for a hundred million dollar estate, a Jeep Rubicon, a Lamborghini, a Tesla Model 3, a Mercedes Benz E-Class, about five million dollars worth of John Deere agricultural implements, and a few other things.

Think socialism can handle providing that?

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[georgephillip]

Then raise, hunt, or make it yourself

*****SMILE*****

What century are you living in?

 

[georgephillip]

No, they don't you retard. They BUY the resources.

They (capitalists) steal natural resources and murder the indigenous populations.

British empire killed 165 million Indians in 40 years: How colonialism inspired fascism | MR Online

 

[Damaged Eagle]

What century are you living in?

I see... You're incapable of taking care of yourself and think others should do it for you or simply give it to you.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[westwall]

Regulations by a government owned by the richest one percent of its citizens, i.e., those who "own" the means of production.

Duh, and you enable them with your talk about socialism.

Same thing happens except there are even fewer rich people to spend money.

 

[surada]

The reality I see is western capitalists fighting for regime change in Russia to the last drop of Ukrainian blood.

Russia invaded Ukraine or had you forgotten?

 

[alexa]

I agree that too few people have so much wealth. What you seem to not understand is government regulations REINFORCE the disparity.

I don't know what you are talking about here so please tell me more. Capitalism has a dodgy relationship with Democracy. If the Government is to be serving the people then it has to keep check of Capitalists. That is what regulations do. This is what most countries had after WW2 when they had mixed economies. With Thatcher/Regan and their decision to take away regulations and allow Monopolies within a short while Governments saw themselves needing to serve the those with the most wealth rather than the people.

 

[alexa]

You've almost convinced me about being a socialist; I feel a need for a hundred million dollar estate, a Jeep Rubicon, a Lamborghini, a Tesla Model 3, a Mercedes Benz E-Class, about five million dollars worth of John Deere agricultural implements, and a few other things.

Think socialism can handle providing that?

*****CHUCKLE*****

and that is exactly what has happened in the last forty years. People's worth now is valued by what they own. I can remember when working people were wanting simply more time to connect with themselves - rather than extra work and more money - though of course now for working people it is about trying to find enough money to put food on the table and heat the house and that is with both the husband and wife working and not infrequently with one of them having to do two or three jobs, not for the Telsa Model but simply for a shop to feed the family. Now in the UK we also find Professional people are losing their standard of living. I am wondering how many people are going to lose their home with the sudden big rise in mortgage rates.

 

[alexa]

They (capitalists) steal natural resources and murder the indigenous populations.

British empire killed 165 million Indians in 40 years: How colonialism inspired fascism | MR Online

Sadly that is true. It is imperialism. I wonder why we Democracies have not got wind of this yet to any degree?

 

[Damaged Eagle]

and that is exactly what has happened in the last forty years. People's worth now is valued by what they own. I can remember when working people were wanting simply more time to connect with themselves - rather than extra work and more money - though of course now for working people it is about trying to find enough money to put food on the table and heat the house and that is with both the husband and wife working and not infrequently with one of them having to do two or three jobs, not for the Telsa Model but simply for a shop to feed the family. Now in the UK we also find Professional people are losing their standard of living. I am wondering how many people are going to lose their home with the sudden big rise in mortgage rates.

But georgephillip says socialism is about fulfilling my needs.

Which reminds me if I'm going to be convinced to accept socialism I also need a girl with a short skirt and a...

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[westwall]

I don't know what you are talking about here so please tell me more. Capitalism has a dodgy relationship with Democracy. If the Government is to be serving the people then it has to keep check of Capitalists. That is what regulations do. This is what most countries had after WW2 when they had mixed economies. With Thatcher/Regan and their decision to take away regulations and allow Monopolies within a short while Governments saw themselves needing to serve the those with the most wealth rather than the people.

No, the capitalists are the small local businesses and corporations. Multinational corporations BUY politicians to put their competitors out of business by burying them under regulations.

That is called fascism.

 

[alexa]

People dying of hunger put up a pitiful fight and are rarely successful.

They need to state to do the stealing for them.

No I just took that from George Phillips saying he was not willing to die for capitalism and you replying that he was willing to kill to take others property. That was the only logic I could see to the argument you were taking.

Your belief that neo liberals have the right to take all the resources and the rest of the people should be in the gutter unless they can jump to the tune of the neo liberals and work 3 jobs a day to get food to put on the table suggests to me you are totally out of touch with reality. It has been obvious to me for some time now that we are just reverting to a new kind of aristocracy. Some Political theorists believe it is a new kind of Feudalism. This would appear to be what you want and believe is the only way to go.

Even before there were laws, people would by their nature care for those who for whatever reason were not managing. They would not leave them to starve because they were a bit slow in the chase.

 

[alexa]

But georgephillip says socialism is about fulfilling my needs.

Which reminds me if I'm going to be convinced to accept socialism I also need a girl with a short skirt and a...

*****CHUCKLE*****

wants are not needs.

 

[westwall]

No I just took that from George Phillips saying he was not willing to die for capitalism and you replying that he was willing to kill to take others property. That was the only logic I could see to the argument you were taking.

Your belief that neo liberals have the right to take all the resources and the rest of the people should be in the gutter unless they can jump to the tune of the neo liberals and work 3 jobs a day to get food to put on the table suggests to me you are totally out of touch with reality. It has been obvious to me for some time now that we are just reverting to a new kind of aristocracy. Some Political theorists believe it is a new kind of Feudalism. This would appear to be what you want and believe is the only way to go.

Even before there were laws, people would by their nature care for those who for whatever reason were not managing. They would not leave them to starve because they were a bit slow in the chase.

You are making a huge assumption. During hunter gatherer times if you weren't capable of helping the tribe, you died.

Certain elders would be cared for because of their knowledge. But old and stupid was a death sentence.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

wants are not needs.

Who are you to determine what my needs are?

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[fncceo]

Who are you to determine what my needs are?

Who are you to determine that your needs require others to pay for them?

Bottom line, no one is entitled to that which belongs to another. Regardless of their wants or needs.