More Brutality? How many cops need to go to jail before it stops?

[XponentialChaos]

if this moron was co-operative, there wouldnt have been a high speed chase. duh

Oh. I wasn’t saying that he was being cooperative during the high speed chase. Was anyone suggesting that he was being cooperative while he was fleeing from the police? That’s weird. I don’t think I saw anyone arguing that. I know I certainly didn’t suggest that he was being cooperative while he was fleeing. That would be silly.

However, once they had him surrounded, he was being fully compliant. That’s what I meant when I said he was being compliant. Not compliant throughout the incident but compliant at the moment that they sent the dog out to attack him.

I hope that clears things up. Sorry if I was being unclear.

I think people knew what you meant
No rational person would agree with you.

No rational person would agree with me that the dog was unnecessary?

That’s interesting. There are people on both sides of the political spectrum who agree with me on that.

 

[XponentialChaos]

I’m not sure how anyone can see the dog necessary in that particular arrest. The guy was being fully cooperative.

Not only was he cooperative but he was completely surrounded by at least 6 officers. And they all just stood there and watched the guy get mauled.

C'mon guys. We need our police officers to be better than this.

..X would do everything PERFECT all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -he is perfect!!!
...there is not a problem of police brutality ..all stats/etc here:

there is no police brutality problem

..there are 10 MILLION arrests per year--this is not counting traffic stops ..there are 30 million calls for police assistance ..and how many without--a--question--police caused murder/manslaughter deaths ??? let's go high and say 30 [ and 30 is a lot more than there really is ] ..that's 1...

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I'm not perfect, but I wouldn't send a dog to maul someone that was fully cooperative.

1. this is not like making a cheese sandwich --it's complicated
2.he was endangering all kinds of people with the car chase-fk him--he deserved it...they didn't kill him...

How complicated is it to not send a dog to attack someone being compliant?

This isn’t rocket science here.

....bullshit--these situations are dynamic--you are dealing with IRRATIONAL/dangerous humans--DUH

...who are being completely compliant.

Poor criminal

It’s unnecessarily excessive. Detain him and let the legal system handle it.

 

[Anathema]

...Now. In truth if people are unwilling to change then change will be forced upon them. And the changes forced are most often far more extreme than what could have been done by the participants.

This is the only meaningful paragraph of your post. You’re 100% correct. Far more extreme measures ARE needed to change the behavior of CRIMINALS. Without those criminals there is far less of a chance of things like this happening.

 

[Meathead]

First I am going to post the raw video.



The suspect had run. He had driven at more than 100 MPH attempting to flee according to reports. And none of that matters one damn bit.

Prescott Valley police defend canine use in traffic arrest

Police on Monday justified the use of an attack dog on a suspect who appeared on a police body cam video to be complying with officers.

apnews.com

Saldivar was complying. He was prone on the ground as directed. He got to his knees as directed. He started to stand obeying orders from the police when they sent in the attack dog.

The Chief says he is not going to second guess the officers on the scene.



Chief. That is literally your job. That is literally the job of a supervisor to judge and assess the performance of subordinates. It is literally the job of a boss to make sure the employees are doing what they are supposed to.

In the meantime the Police have been polled. They insist they do not need reforms. They are doing a fantastic job. Shut up and go away.

Police departments everywhere largely reject calls for woke reforms

hotair.com

This is not doing a fantastic job. This as nearly every recent example of brutality clearly shows that Law Enforcement is desperately in need of reform.

Now. In truth if people are unwilling to change then change will be forced upon them. And the changes forced are most often far more extreme than what could have been done by the participants.

In a week the Prescott Valley Police will be wishing they had said that actions were wrong. In two weeks the cops involved will be facing prosecution for their actions. In a month cops will be fired and the Department will announce the Grand Jury decision to indict.

Good. Now deport him.

 

[Meathead]

Question. Where did you get the illegal alien part. I haven’t read that anywhere.

It was mentioned in the video.

Do you honestly think the OP reads or watches his links? Whatever he finds negative about cops he posts. I am sure he has extensive personal reasons.

 

[eagle1462010]

if this moron was co-operative, there wouldnt have been a high speed chase. duh

Oh. I wasn’t saying that he was being cooperative during the high speed chase. Was anyone suggesting that he was being cooperative while he was fleeing from the police? That’s weird. I don’t think I saw anyone arguing that. I know I certainly didn’t suggest that he was being cooperative while he was fleeing. That would be silly.

However, once they had him surrounded, he was being fully compliant. That’s what I meant when I said he was being compliant. Not compliant throughout the incident but compliant at the moment that they sent the dog out to attack him.

I hope that clears things up. Sorry if I was being unclear.

aka when he was out of options.........like running over a police officer........they had no reason to be nice......

Dog didn't hurt him bad.........but if the officer wasn't fast the officer would be dead or crippled by this dirt bag.

No sympathy for him............NONE.

 

[SavannahMann]

...Now. In truth if people are unwilling to change then change will be forced upon them. And the changes forced are most often far more extreme than what could have been done by the participants.

This is the only meaningful paragraph of your post. You’re 100% correct. Far more extreme measures ARE needed to change the behavior of CRIMINALS. Without those criminals there is far less of a chance of things like this happening.

And history shows it does not work. So if history shows it has never ever worked what makes you think it will now?

 

[SavannahMann]

Question. Where did you get the illegal alien part. I haven’t read that anywhere.

It was mentioned in the video.

Do you honestly think the OP reads or watches his links? Whatever he finds negative about cops he posts. I am sure he has extensive personal reasons.

I missed it. I apologized and thanked them for correcting me.

 

[Jarlaxle]

In related news.........



A Salt Lake City officer who ordered a police dog to bite a Black man who was on his knees with his hands in the air is now facing a criminal charge for the attack.

Prosecutors charged Officer Nickolas Pearce on Wednesday with aggravated assault, a second-degree felony. If convicted, Pearce could face a maximum penalty of up to 15 years in prison.

Salt Lake City officer charged with a felony for ordering his police dog to attack a Black man

Hang the fucker.

 

[Jarlaxle]

How complicated is it to not send a dog to attack someone being compliant?

This isn’t rocket science here.

You need to understand...he isn't too bright.

 

[Billiejeens]

if this moron was co-operative, there wouldnt have been a high speed chase. duh

Oh. I wasn’t saying that he was being cooperative during the high speed chase. Was anyone suggesting that he was being cooperative while he was fleeing from the police? That’s weird. I don’t think I saw anyone arguing that. I know I certainly didn’t suggest that he was being cooperative while he was fleeing. That would be silly.

However, once they had him surrounded, he was being fully compliant. That’s what I meant when I said he was being compliant. Not compliant throughout the incident but compliant at the moment that they sent the dog out to attack him.

I hope that clears things up. Sorry if I was being unclear.

I think people knew what you meant
No rational person would agree with you.

No rational person would agree with me that the dog was unnecessary?

That’s interesting. There are people on both sides of the political spectrum who agree with me on that.

That doesn't necessarily make them rational now does it?

 

[Jarlaxle]

I think people knew what you meant
No rational person would agree with you.

You're dumb as a box of turds.

 

[Jarlaxle]

...Now. In truth if people are unwilling to change then change will be forced upon them. And the changes forced are most often far more extreme than what could have been done by the participants.

This is the only meaningful paragraph of your post. You’re 100% correct. Far more extreme measures ARE needed to change the behavior of CRIMINALS. Without those criminals there is far less of a chance of things like this happening.

And history shows it does not work. So if history shows it has never ever worked what makes you think it will now?

He is batshit insane and sort of a cross between Stalin and Pee-Wee Herman.

 

[Billiejeens]

Police are taught not to get between the handler and the offender. Dogs have been known to get so focused on the job that they have bitten members as well as suspects.

Here anyone may seize or destroy a dog to stop it attacking people or stock. Don't you have that sort of rule there?

It wasn't attacking
The dog was on the job to serve and protect.

 

[Jarlaxle]

It wasn't attacking
The dog was on the job to serve and protect.

What sort of drugs do you need to take to squat and squeeze out that jewel?

 

[Billiejeens]

It wasn't attacking
The dog was on the job to serve and protect.

What sort of drugs do you need to take to squat and squeeze out that jewel?

Are you saying that it was not a police dog
That it was not on the clock
That it did not follow his handlers commands?

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[Billiejeens]

I normally take the side of the cops and the guy probably deserved it but professionally the cops shouldnt have sicked the dog on him.

Seige dogs are a time tested method of subduing a less than cooperative offender.

Police are taught not to get between the handler and the offender. Dogs have been known to get so focused on the job that they have bitten members as well as suspects.

The dude was totally cooperating.

As soon as he stopped fully, not cooperating.

 

[Billiejeens]

As we can see, conservatives aren’t going to do anything to stop the brutality.

Rightists will continue to deflect and make excuses, claim these are only ‘isolated incidents’ and that no reform is needed.

And conservatives will repeat their usual lies about calling for law enforcement reform is being ‘anti-cop,’ when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

To the OP’s question, it’s not going to stop as long as conservatives ignore the problem and oppose necessary, warranted reforms.

Not long ago it was Kamala Harris defending police officers like this.

Prior to her pandering to the criminal element.