More Brutality? How many cops need to go to jail before it stops?

[SavannahMann]

Break the law and endanger others, GFY. You lose the right to whine later about much. You snowflakes that cry for the criminal scum, ask yourselves. Would you feel differently if this PoS slammed vehicles with your wife or momma and killed her?

Don't lie. Fucking hypocrites. Once again, we blame the response to criminal behavior. Not the criminal that ignited it all. Claim to be woke, well WAKE THE FUCK UP.

It is because I would feel differently that we do not let families and friends on the jury.

If I stand by and allow a little brutality, a little abuse. Where do I draw the line? Where do we draw the line? Do we let cops start beating confessions out of people again? Do we deny them their right to an attorney? Where do we draw the line?

If the Constitution is to mean anything. It must be defended. Every line. Every phrase. Every right. Every single time.

Your sentiments are fair, and worthy. I hate that.

What I will say is that if I were the cop on scene, I would not have been happy about the dog being allowed the freedom to attack him in that situation.

So, there are plenty of things that occur between police and criminal that I would do differently. That I would do, imo, better. IN most cases, that's easy to say in hindsight and sitting on my ass uninvolved. When it does get excessive, I still can't find much sympathy for the criminal, in most cases. Race is not a factor to me on this. Clearly, this makes me less than qualified to be a judge. Just makes me a fed up dude with an opinion.

I was in Iraq for Desert Storm. A situation developed where I drew and aimed my weapon at a man who was inches away from grabbing a grenade. I aimed and safety was off. He froze. And when commanded backed off. I did not fire.

in another situation we came under fire. I fired a total of three aimed rounds. I do not think I hit the guy. Others fired more. Some fired less. My angle was not good on the shooter.

That was in a war. When I was 21 years old. A newly promoted Specialist. There were other instances where I could have fired but did not. It was not necessary.

harmonica will scoff and claim I am perfect or something. Nonsense. Doing what you are supposed to do is not perfection for a Paratrooper. It is expected.

 

[Blues Lifer]

Break the law and endanger others, GFY. You lose the right to whine later about much. You snowflakes that cry for the criminal scum, ask yourselves. Would you feel differently if this PoS slammed vehicles with your wife or momma and killed her?

Don't lie. Fucking hypocrites. Once again, we blame the response to criminal behavior. Not the criminal that ignited it all. Claim to be woke, well WAKE THE FUCK UP.

It is because I would feel differently that we do not let families and friends on the jury.

If I stand by and allow a little brutality, a little abuse. Where do I draw the line? Where do we draw the line? Do we let cops start beating confessions out of people again? Do we deny them their right to an attorney? Where do we draw the line?

If the Constitution is to mean anything. It must be defended. Every line. Every phrase. Every right. Every single time.

Your sentiments are fair, and worthy. I hate that.

What I will say is that if I were the cop on scene, I would not have been happy about the dog being allowed the freedom to attack him in that situation.

So, there are plenty of things that occur between police and criminal that I would do differently. That I would do, imo, better. IN most cases, that's easy to say in hindsight and sitting on my ass uninvolved. When it does get excessive, I still can't find much sympathy for the criminal, in most cases. Race is not a factor to me on this. Clearly, this makes me less than qualified to be a judge. Just makes me a fed up dude with an opinion.

I was in Iraq for Desert Storm. A situation developed where I drew and aimed my weapon at a man who was inches away from grabbing a grenade. I aimed and safety was off. He froze. And when commanded backed off. I did not fire.

in another situation we came under fire. I fired a total of three aimed rounds. I do not think I hit the guy. Others fired more. Some fired less. My angle was not good on the shooter.

That was in a war. When I was 21 years old. A newly promoted Specialist. There were other instances where I could have fired but did not. It was not necessary.

harmonica will scoff and claim I am perfect or something. Nonsense. Doing what you are supposed to do is not perfection for a Paratrooper. It is expected.

I once shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

kidding, of course

No, humans are not perfect, and cops are bound to get fed up with the scum of the Earth. This is why I always felt that MORE funding was necessary to police. MORE funding allows for better psychological testing, and throughout each year. MORE funding allows for better training before sending them out there to the street. MORE funding is incentive for cops to be nicer human beings in the face of violence and unrest. It makes them feel more appreciated.

Defunding is simply the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard of, if to assume the results of it were unintended. What say you? Do you think defunding has provided the Demo-China team with what they intended?

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

As we can see, conservatives aren’t going to do anything to stop the brutality.

Rightists will continue to deflect and make excuses, claim these are only ‘isolated incidents’ and that no reform is needed.

And conservatives will repeat their usual lies about calling for law enforcement reform is being ‘anti-cop,’ when in fact nothing could be further from the truth.

To the OP’s question, it’s not going to stop as long as conservatives ignore the problem and oppose necessary, warranted reforms.

You expect PERFECT cops. There comes a time when emotions take over. The lesson is. Be careful who you piss off. The guy put a lot of innocent lives in danger. I have no sympathy.

 

[22lcidw]

First I am going to post the raw video.



The suspect had run. He had driven at more than 100 MPH attempting to flee according to reports. And none of that matters one damn bit.

Prescott Valley police defend canine use in traffic arrest

Police on Monday justified the use of an attack dog on a suspect who appeared on a police body cam video to be complying with officers.

apnews.com

Saldivar was complying. He was prone on the ground as directed. He got to his knees as directed. He started to stand obeying orders from the police when they sent in the attack dog.

The Chief says he is not going to second guess the officers on the scene.



Chief. That is literally your job. That is literally the job of a supervisor to judge and assess the performance of subordinates. It is literally the job of a boss to make sure the employees are doing what they are supposed to.

In the meantime the Police have been polled. They insist they do not need reforms. They are doing a fantastic job. Shut up and go away.

Police departments everywhere largely reject calls for woke reforms

hotair.com

This is not doing a fantastic job. This as nearly every recent example of brutality clearly shows that Law Enforcement is desperately in need of reform.

Now. In truth if people are unwilling to change then change will be forced upon them. And the changes forced are most often far more extreme than what could have been done by the participants.

In a week the Prescott Valley Police will be wishing they had said that actions were wrong. In two weeks the cops involved will be facing prosecution for their actions. In a month cops will be fired and the Department will announce the Grand Jury decision to indict.

Actually all of that matters
Those that refuse to live within societal norms, should repeatedly be eliminated until the remaining ones get it.

Ok. Where do we draw the new line? What actions by police will be agreed as too much?

They can start by not arresting the people who will vote for them and back them up for virus infractions and defending themselves against Progs.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Break the law and endanger others, GFY. You lose the right to whine later about much. You snowflakes that cry for the criminal scum, ask yourselves. Would you feel differently if this PoS slammed vehicles with your wife or momma and killed her?

Don't lie. Fucking hypocrites. Once again, we blame the response to criminal behavior. Not the criminal that ignited it all. Claim to be woke, well WAKE THE FUCK UP.

It is because I would feel differently that we do not let families and friends on the jury.

If I stand by and allow a little brutality, a little abuse. Where do I draw the line? Where do we draw the line? Do we let cops start beating confessions out of people again? Do we deny them their right to an attorney? Where do we draw the line?

If the Constitution is to mean anything. It must be defended. Every line. Every phrase. Every right. Every single time.

Your sentiments are fair, and worthy. I hate that.

What I will say is that if I were the cop on scene, I would not have been happy about the dog being allowed the freedom to attack him in that situation.

So, there are plenty of things that occur between police and criminal that I would do differently. That I would do, imo, better. IN most cases, that's easy to say in hindsight and sitting on my ass uninvolved. When it does get excessive, I still can't find much sympathy for the criminal, in most cases. Race is not a factor to me on this. Clearly, this makes me less than qualified to be a judge. Just makes me a fed up dude with an opinion.

I was in Iraq for Desert Storm. A situation developed where I drew and aimed my weapon at a man who was inches away from grabbing a grenade. I aimed and safety was off. He froze. And when commanded backed off. I did not fire.

in another situation we came under fire. I fired a total of three aimed rounds. I do not think I hit the guy. Others fired more. Some fired less. My angle was not good on the shooter.

That was in a war. When I was 21 years old. A newly promoted Specialist. There were other instances where I could have fired but did not. It was not necessary.

harmonica will scoff and claim I am perfect or something. Nonsense. Doing what you are supposed to do is not perfection for a Paratrooper. It is expected.

I once shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

kidding, of course

No, humans are not perfect, and cops are bound to get fed up with the scum of the Earth. This is why I always felt that MORE funding was necessary to police. MORE funding allows for better psychological testing, and throughout each year. MORE funding allows for better training before sending them out there to the street. MORE funding is incentive for cops to be nicer human beings in the face of violence and unrest. It makes them feel more appreciated.

Defunding is simply the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard of, if to assume the results of it were unintended. What say you? Do you think defunding has provided the Demo-China team with what they intended?

We are witnessing the ghettoification (made that up). Just like the NFL.

The more you drive out the good cops, the more you'll see this stuff. Training wont matter. The good ones leave so you're left with another kind of cop. The left creates this on their own.

 

[Fueri]

This was obviously wrong, although isolated incidents are not justification for the statement that broad-based reform is necessary.

Statistical analysis can easily tell us which departments have a greater ratio of interactions to complaints and the same is true of officers. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't the answer either.

Well, we agree that something bad occurred here. It also appears that nothing is being done about it. In fact, the police department is defending these actions.

“The Prescott Valley Police Department said in a statement that the use of the canine was necessary during the May arrest...”

We see something wrong here and the police don’t. Isn’t that grounds for reform? I’m not saying we need to abolish the police but some kind of reform is needed if the public sees this as unacceptable and the police see this as fine.

Maybe in this department there is. I guess I'm not crazy about broad brushing all cops or all departments as in need of reform due to actions occurring elsewhere.

As indicated these bad actors can be identified statistically. Its actually been done, so that makes more sense to me than lumping them all together.

Ok I agree. I don’t like the broad brush either.

My issue is that we can’t even determine what constitutes a “bad actor”. I’m looking at this instance and it looks terrible to me. Others are defending it. And the police themselves are defending it. We can’t even agree on whether this is bad or not.

To me, it starts with labeling certain behaviors as acceptable or unacceptable. I don’t know how we would statistically find bad actors if we can’t even agree on what bad actors are. What exactly makes one a “bad actor”? Since the police don’t see eye-to-eye on that, I think that takes reform.

We can, though. See this thread, which I posted nearly 5 years ago at this point.

How To Predict Bad Cops

The question is an important one. We want to support the police, but what to do in the face of some of the stuff we've been seeing lately. Turns out there is data available on this stuff, of course. That the Chicago Police department didn't want to turn over, of course. But it was eventually...

www.usmessageboard.com

The data was analyzed by Nate Silver

How To Predict Bad Cops In Chicago

Protests against police violence raged on in Chicago over the weekend, with some demonstrators demanding Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s resignation over the shooting of 1…

fivethirtyeight.com

The article is worth reading.

This isn't even hard, and that's what pisses me off. Statisticians can calculate risk factors for car insurance, life insurance, health insurance etc. We can do the same here in terms of predicting bad cops and bad departments. Zero doubt about it.

The problem is not in the ability or methodology to analyze the data, the problem is getting it, forcing the release of this data and making this analysis part of a system. That's where the reform is needed, IMO.

 

[XponentialChaos]

No, humans are not perfect, and cops are bound to get fed up with the scum of the Earth. This is why I always felt that MORE funding was necessary to police. MORE funding allows for better psychological testing, and throughout each year. MORE funding allows for better training before sending them out there to the street. MORE funding is incentive for cops to be nicer human beings in the face of violence and unrest. It makes them feel more appreciated.

Defunding is simply the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard of, if to assume the results of it were unintended. What say you? Do you think defunding has provided the Demo-China team with what they intended?

I'd be fine with more funding but it would have to be tied to more accountability.

I'm still a bit skeptical of how useful the extra funding would be. Like in this particular instance, they let a dog maul a guy who was being cooperative. Could this particular instance have been fixed with more money? Do they need some kind of training on why it's not cool to let a dog maul someone that is being compliant? I get that it's a stressful job and it can be difficult to think on their feet, but this seemed like a relatively easy one when the suspect was obeying their commands.

Psychological funding sounds interesting. Whatever we can do to get the bad ones out of there.

Personally, I think the defunding thing is dumb, but I can at least understand where they're coming from. If these guys can't get their act together, then they're going to look for alternate solutions.

 

[XponentialChaos]

This was obviously wrong, although isolated incidents are not justification for the statement that broad-based reform is necessary.

Statistical analysis can easily tell us which departments have a greater ratio of interactions to complaints and the same is true of officers. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater isn't the answer either.

Well, we agree that something bad occurred here. It also appears that nothing is being done about it. In fact, the police department is defending these actions.

“The Prescott Valley Police Department said in a statement that the use of the canine was necessary during the May arrest...”

We see something wrong here and the police don’t. Isn’t that grounds for reform? I’m not saying we need to abolish the police but some kind of reform is needed if the public sees this as unacceptable and the police see this as fine.

Maybe in this department there is. I guess I'm not crazy about broad brushing all cops or all departments as in need of reform due to actions occurring elsewhere.

As indicated these bad actors can be identified statistically. Its actually been done, so that makes more sense to me than lumping them all together.

Ok I agree. I don’t like the broad brush either.

My issue is that we can’t even determine what constitutes a “bad actor”. I’m looking at this instance and it looks terrible to me. Others are defending it. And the police themselves are defending it. We can’t even agree on whether this is bad or not.

To me, it starts with labeling certain behaviors as acceptable or unacceptable. I don’t know how we would statistically find bad actors if we can’t even agree on what bad actors are. What exactly makes one a “bad actor”? Since the police don’t see eye-to-eye on that, I think that takes reform.

We can, though. See this thread, which I posted nearly 5 years ago at this point.

How To Predict Bad Cops

The question is an important one. We want to support the police, but what to do in the face of some of the stuff we've been seeing lately. Turns out there is data available on this stuff, of course. That the Chicago Police department didn't want to turn over, of course. But it was eventually...

www.usmessageboard.com

The data was analyzed by Nate Silver

How To Predict Bad Cops In Chicago

Protests against police violence raged on in Chicago over the weekend, with some demonstrators demanding Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s resignation over the shooting of 1…

fivethirtyeight.com

The article is worth reading.

This isn't even hard, and that's what pisses me off. Statisticians can calculate risk factors for car insurance, life insurance, health insurance etc. We can do the same here in terms of predicting bad cops and bad departments. Zero doubt about it.

The problem is not in the ability or methodology to analyze the data, the problem is getting it, forcing the release of this data and making this analysis part of a system. That's where the reform is needed, IMO.

Looks like they're using the number of complaints to predict bad cops. Sure, I can agree with that.

 

[Orangecat]

I have no pity for a guy who led police on a 100mph chase, endangering himself, the pursuing officers, and the public in general. That being said, there was no reason to let the dog loose on him. I'd also like to know what injuries he sustained from the dog (shitting your pants is not an injury, btw).

 

[Jarlaxle]

I'd say it was a wee much, however your response is way over the top, and irrational, clearly you expect perfection, sometimes when you try to kill cops they fuck you up a bit, many of you deserve every bit of it.... Police are not robots, when you try to kill them, well sometimes they do things you might not wish them to do! The guy will very likely get himself a lump-sum cash settlement, but he also attempted to murder police officers... BTW, expect it to get worse for you, much much worse, because now they are better off killing you animals straight up, think about that as you riot and loot & pillage.

Nowhere in any article does it say he tried to kill the cops. But I would point this out. For years people have claimed that if you do what the cop says you won’t get hurt. He was complying. He was doing what they said.

Oh. And I live in Rural Georgia. There haven’t been any riots out here.

He does not care. He is a copsucker. To him, cops can do no wrong. A cop could pull over a teenage girl, drag her out of the car, rape her on camera, shoot her in the back, drop a throwdown, claim the shot was self-inflicted...and the copsuckers would excuse it. They WORSHIP authority, with religious fervor.

I wonder, how many felony convictions do you carry on your person??? The odds are good, that when felons such as yourself, attempt to flee, and run down cops, whilst traversing city streets at speeds of up to 100 mph, you can count on a certain type of treatment once brought to heel! As I have said the release of dog was a bit much, but it wouldn't stop me from sending the perp to prison for a 10-year stretch, the lesson here, completely lost on your panzy urban dwelling ass is this, you play rough with police, they will very likely be more then willing to return your dumb ass the favor!

None. No criminal record beyond s few traffic tickets.

Care to jam your OTHER foot in your mouth now?

 

[harmonica]

I’m not sure how anyone can see the dog necessary in that particular arrest. The guy was being fully cooperative.

Not only was he cooperative but he was completely surrounded by at least 6 officers. And they all just stood there and watched the guy get mauled.

C'mon guys. We need our police officers to be better than this.

..X would do everything PERFECT all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -he is perfect!!!
...there is not a problem of police brutality ..all stats/etc here:

there is no police brutality problem

..there are 10 MILLION arrests per year--this is not counting traffic stops ..there are 30 million calls for police assistance ..and how many without--a--question--police caused murder/manslaughter deaths ??? let's go high and say 30 [ and 30 is a lot more than there really is ] ..that's 1...

www.usmessageboard.com

I'm not perfect, but I wouldn't send a dog to maul someone that was fully cooperative.

1. this is not like making a cheese sandwich --it's complicated
2.he was endangering all kinds of people with the car chase-fk him--he deserved it...they didn't kill him...

 

[harmonica]

I’m not sure how anyone can see the dog necessary in that particular arrest. The guy was being fully cooperative.

Not only was he cooperative but he was completely surrounded by at least 6 officers. And they all just stood there and watched the guy get mauled.

C'mon guys. We need our police officers to be better than this.

..X would do everything PERFECT all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -he is perfect!!!
...there is not a problem of police brutality ..all stats/etc here:

there is no police brutality problem

..there are 10 MILLION arrests per year--this is not counting traffic stops ..there are 30 million calls for police assistance ..and how many without--a--question--police caused murder/manslaughter deaths ??? let's go high and say 30 [ and 30 is a lot more than there really is ] ..that's 1...

www.usmessageboard.com

And those millions of traffic stops show a clear Racism problem in the police. Next?

you don't make sense --at all

 

[Jarlaxle]

I’m not sure how anyone can see the dog necessary in that particular arrest. The guy was being fully cooperative.

Not only was he cooperative but he was completely surrounded by at least 6 officers. And they all just stood there and watched the guy get mauled.

C'mon guys. We need our police officers to be better than this.

..X would do everything PERFECT all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -he is perfect!!!
...there is not a problem of police brutality ..all stats/etc here:

there is no police brutality problem

..there are 10 MILLION arrests per year--this is not counting traffic stops ..there are 30 million calls for police assistance ..and how many without--a--question--police caused murder/manslaughter deaths ??? let's go high and say 30 [ and 30 is a lot more than there really is ] ..that's 1...

www.usmessageboard.com

And those millions of traffic stops show a clear Racism problem in the police. Next?

you don't make sense --at all

Don't worry...everyone except you understands.

 

[harmonica]

Don't worry...everyone except you understands.

Don't worry...everyone except you understands.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Don't worry...everyone except you understands.

Polly wanna cracker?

 

[theHawk]

First I am going to post the raw video.



The suspect had run. He had driven at more than 100 MPH attempting to flee according to reports. And none of that matters one damn bit.

Prescott Valley police defend canine use in traffic arrest

Police on Monday justified the use of an attack dog on a suspect who appeared on a police body cam video to be complying with officers.

apnews.com

Saldivar was complying. He was prone on the ground as directed. He got to his knees as directed. He started to stand obeying orders from the police when they sent in the attack dog.

The Chief says he is not going to second guess the officers on the scene.



Chief. That is literally your job. That is literally the job of a supervisor to judge and assess the performance of subordinates. It is literally the job of a boss to make sure the employees are doing what they are supposed to.

In the meantime the Police have been polled. They insist they do not need reforms. They are doing a fantastic job. Shut up and go away.

Police departments everywhere largely reject calls for woke reforms

hotair.com

This is not doing a fantastic job. This as nearly every recent example of brutality clearly shows that Law Enforcement is desperately in need of reform.

Now. In truth if people are unwilling to change then change will be forced upon them. And the changes forced are most often far more extreme than what could have been done by the participants.

In a week the Prescott Valley Police will be wishing they had said that actions were wrong. In two weeks the cops involved will be facing prosecution for their actions. In a month cops will be fired and the Department will announce the Grand Jury decision to indict.

We don’t treat thugs nicely in Arizona.
Thugs be warned.

 

[Blues Lifer]

Break the law and endanger others, GFY. You lose the right to whine later about much. You snowflakes that cry for the criminal scum, ask yourselves. Would you feel differently if this PoS slammed vehicles with your wife or momma and killed her?

Don't lie. Fucking hypocrites. Once again, we blame the response to criminal behavior. Not the criminal that ignited it all. Claim to be woke, well WAKE THE FUCK UP.

It is because I would feel differently that we do not let families and friends on the jury.

If I stand by and allow a little brutality, a little abuse. Where do I draw the line? Where do we draw the line? Do we let cops start beating confessions out of people again? Do we deny them their right to an attorney? Where do we draw the line?

If the Constitution is to mean anything. It must be defended. Every line. Every phrase. Every right. Every single time.

Your sentiments are fair, and worthy. I hate that.

What I will say is that if I were the cop on scene, I would not have been happy about the dog being allowed the freedom to attack him in that situation.

So, there are plenty of things that occur between police and criminal that I would do differently. That I would do, imo, better. IN most cases, that's easy to say in hindsight and sitting on my ass uninvolved. When it does get excessive, I still can't find much sympathy for the criminal, in most cases. Race is not a factor to me on this. Clearly, this makes me less than qualified to be a judge. Just makes me a fed up dude with an opinion.

I was in Iraq for Desert Storm. A situation developed where I drew and aimed my weapon at a man who was inches away from grabbing a grenade. I aimed and safety was off. He froze. And when commanded backed off. I did not fire.

in another situation we came under fire. I fired a total of three aimed rounds. I do not think I hit the guy. Others fired more. Some fired less. My angle was not good on the shooter.

That was in a war. When I was 21 years old. A newly promoted Specialist. There were other instances where I could have fired but did not. It was not necessary.

harmonica will scoff and claim I am perfect or something. Nonsense. Doing what you are supposed to do is not perfection for a Paratrooper. It is expected.

I once shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

kidding, of course

No, humans are not perfect, and cops are bound to get fed up with the scum of the Earth. This is why I always felt that MORE funding was necessary to police. MORE funding allows for better psychological testing, and throughout each year. MORE funding allows for better training before sending them out there to the street. MORE funding is incentive for cops to be nicer human beings in the face of violence and unrest. It makes them feel more appreciated.

Defunding is simply the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard of, if to assume the results of it were unintended. What say you? Do you think defunding has provided the Demo-China team with what they intended?

We are witnessing the ghettoification (made that up). Just like the NFL.

The more you drive out the good cops, the more you'll see this stuff. Training wont matter. The good ones leave so you're left with another kind of cop. The left creates this on their own.

Well, we need to rapidly turn this crap around when Trump wins, or the decent people that can afford to will leave America to its own pathetic 3rd world paradise decline. I'm not giving up my weapons for personal protection, and we don't have to live in some lawless 3rd world shit-hole run by the chaotic scum of the Earth.

 

[pknopp]

In related news.........



A Salt Lake City officer who ordered a police dog to bite a Black man who was on his knees with his hands in the air is now facing a criminal charge for the attack.

Prosecutors charged Officer Nickolas Pearce on Wednesday with aggravated assault, a second-degree felony. If convicted, Pearce could face a maximum penalty of up to 15 years in prison.

Salt Lake City officer charged with a felony for ordering his police dog to attack a Black man

 

[XponentialChaos]

I’m not sure how anyone can see the dog necessary in that particular arrest. The guy was being fully cooperative.

Not only was he cooperative but he was completely surrounded by at least 6 officers. And they all just stood there and watched the guy get mauled.

C'mon guys. We need our police officers to be better than this.

..X would do everything PERFECT all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -he is perfect!!!
...there is not a problem of police brutality ..all stats/etc here:

there is no police brutality problem

..there are 10 MILLION arrests per year--this is not counting traffic stops ..there are 30 million calls for police assistance ..and how many without--a--question--police caused murder/manslaughter deaths ??? let's go high and say 30 [ and 30 is a lot more than there really is ] ..that's 1...

www.usmessageboard.com

I'm not perfect, but I wouldn't send a dog to maul someone that was fully cooperative.

1. this is not like making a cheese sandwich --it's complicated
2.he was endangering all kinds of people with the car chase-fk him--he deserved it...they didn't kill him...

How complicated is it to not send a dog to attack someone being compliant?

This isn’t rocket science here.

 

[Blues Lifer]

I’m not sure how anyone can see the dog necessary in that particular arrest. The guy was being fully cooperative.

Not only was he cooperative but he was completely surrounded by at least 6 officers. And they all just stood there and watched the guy get mauled.

C'mon guys. We need our police officers to be better than this.

..X would do everything PERFECT all the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -he is perfect!!!
...there is not a problem of police brutality ..all stats/etc here:

there is no police brutality problem

..there are 10 MILLION arrests per year--this is not counting traffic stops ..there are 30 million calls for police assistance ..and how many without--a--question--police caused murder/manslaughter deaths ??? let's go high and say 30 [ and 30 is a lot more than there really is ] ..that's 1...

www.usmessageboard.com

I'm not perfect, but I wouldn't send a dog to maul someone that was fully cooperative.

1. this is not like making a cheese sandwich --it's complicated
2.he was endangering all kinds of people with the car chase-fk him--he deserved it...they didn't kill him...

How complicated is it to not send a dog to attack someone being compliant?

This isn’t rocket science here.

I don't disagree but why are people so focused every single time on the criminal's abuse received instead of focusing more on why the criminals are doing idiotic things that make any of this possible in the first place?

If people just stop being criminal thugs, then imagine what a pleasant world it really could be.

Speaking of imagining a better world. Just a thought to explore:

Instead of coddling and making criminals into glorified martyrs, we should make punishing criminals more severe. You steal a car and endanger lives with a high speed chase? You get tied to a RR track until a train runs over you. You resist arrest in any physical fashion? shot dead legally.

Implement this law, and word gets out quick. Watch how quickly the criminals put their hands up and comply, or here's a thought, maybe reconsider committing a crime.