Moore: Americans are 'The Dumbest People on the Planet'

[jimnyc]

Americans currently flocking to see Michael Moore's movie "Farenheit 9/11" might be surprised to learn how little respect the Democratic Party's leading propaganda-meister has for them.

''They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet," Moore told Britain's Mirror newspaper recently, referring to his fellow citizens as a whole.

And that's not all Moore had to say about his brother Yanks across the pond. ''We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing.''

Turns out, when the Democratic Party's all-but-official filmmaker is speaking at home, he has nice things to say about at least some of his fellow citizens. But according to New York Times columnist David Brooks, when Moore travels abroad it's not just the Bush administration he trashes - but the American people en-masse.

Here's a few more bon mots from the Kerry campaign's leading celluloid supporter, as cited by Mr. Brooks on Saturday:

''That's why we're smiling all the time,'' Moore told a rapturous throng in Munich. ''You can see us coming down the street. You know, 'Hey! Hi! How's it going?' We've got that big [expletive] grin on our face all the time because our brains aren't loaded down.''

To a crowd in Cambridge, Moore intoned: ''You're stuck with being connected to this country of mine, which is known for bringing sadness and misery to places around the globe.''

Here's Moore's reaction to the 9/11 attacks, offered while the rubble at Ground Zero was still smoldering: ''We, the United States of America, are culpable in committing so many acts of terror and bloodshed that we had better get a clue about the culture of violence in which we have been active participants.''

As for the terrorists currently killing American soldiers in Iraq, Moore compares them to Revolutionary war heroes who fought off British oppression:

''The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not 'insurgents' or 'terrorists' or 'The Enemy.' They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win.''

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/6/26/103545.shtml

 

[NightTrain]

God, what a worm.

What's truly sickening is that he makes a load of money off the very dupes he despises.

 

[insein]

Moore power too him if he cashes in on retards stupidity. There fucking fault for being sheep led to slaughter.

 

[007]

Like I said, every damn one of them that were tripping over themselves to see the movie, when they handed over their money, they showed their support for the fat prick by lining his pockets with their ignorantly spent money.

He is without doubt, one of the most vile persons I've ever been aware of in America in my life. I wish he would leave since he hates America and it's people that bad.

 

[tim_duncan2000]

At least he's including himself when he says that.

 

[007]

Well, I just heard on the 10:00 o'clock news that mickey's movie opened number one in America.

I'm in total disgust with all these people. mickey can call them stupid sons a bitches, and they still can't wait to get to the theater to give him their money and listen to his lies.

Totally fucking disgusting morons. Maybe he is right. Americans are dumb mother fuckers.

 

[winston churchi]

I don't think he's worth my spit....

But I will say this - he may be quite right sadly....speaking such nasty words about his country men , mocking them abroad and then telling those same people to pay ten bucks to see his movies - and they do - what can one say? People , first of all who spend money to see the garbage he puts out are foolish enough but adding the fact that this guy is laughing at them and refering to them as stupid - perhaps he is right - but he must add himself to that list of fools....he is worse though, to me he is a traitor...perhaps he should move to the ever popular Iraq.
I have never seen a film of his, know nothing about them, don't even know what he looks like or sounds like...I know his name and to me his name is associated with spoiled Americans who constantly want more and more more like his name I suppose...nothing is good enough...My advise is to get the hell out here if its that horrific for you.

 

[NightTrain]

I damn sure won't spend any money to see his crap.

I will, however, steal it on the internet. Come sue me, Mikey.

 

[Modu$OperanDi]

We live in a bubble, our media sucks, our media manipulates our population, we freak out over the exposure of a human body part on national television. We have many things about our country that sucks, we have a very sick outlook on the world. It is right to discuss it, it is wrong to shun it in narcissism.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Originally posted by Modu$OperanDi
We live in a bubble, our media sucks, our media manipulates our population, we freak out over the exposure of a human body part on national television. We have many things about our country that sucks, we have a very sick outlook on the world. It is right to discuss it, it is wrong to shun it in narcissism.

Yes. Let's discuss it. Let's compare cultures and worldviews. Let's talk about horrors of socialism and communism around the world throughout history and how liberals of today want to forget that, and want to instead call bringing freedom to oppressed people tyranny. The socialism you lefties love so much is just a pretty face on totalitarianism. Let's talk about the anti human agenda of the control freaks over at the U.N. and their plots to destroy humanity with socialism and their addled "sustainable development" hogwash.

 

[Modu$OperanDi]

Shrouding the government in secrecy and confusing the people is what contemporary totalitarianism has come to thanks to the right wing.

 

[DKSuddeth]

Originally posted by Modu$OperanDi
Shrouding the government in secrecy and confusing the people is what contemporary totalitarianism has come to thanks to the right wing.

this has as much to do with the democrats also. clinton was big on secrecy in the white house as well.

 

[007]

Originally posted by Modu$OperanDi
We live in a bubble, our media sucks, our media manipulates our population, we freak out over the exposure of a human body part on national television. We have many things about our country that sucks, we have a very sick outlook on the world. It is right to discuss it, it is wrong to shun it in narcissism.

I don't think I've ever seen a better example of "PSYCHO-BABBLE"! What in the hell does "shunting in narcissism" mean? What a conglomerate of bull shit.

You're brain's in a bubble all right.

 

[007]

Originally posted by winston churchi
I don't think he's worth my spit....

But I will say this - he may be quite right sadly....speaking such nasty words about his country men , mocking them abroad and then telling those same people to pay ten bucks to see his movies - and they do - what can one say? People , first of all who spend money to see the garbage he puts out are foolish enough but adding the fact that this guy is laughing at them and refering to them as stupid - perhaps he is right - but he must add himself to that list of fools....he is worse though, to me he is a traitor...perhaps he should move to the ever popular Iraq.
I have never seen a film of his, know nothing about them, don't even know what he looks like or sounds like...I know his name and to me his name is associated with spoiled Americans who constantly want more and more more like his name I suppose...nothing is good enough...My advise is to get the hell out here if its that horrific for you.

fighting words A wartime lexicon.


Unfairenheit 9/11
The lies of Michael Moore.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, June 21, 2004, at 12:26 PM PT



Moore: Trying to have it three ways

One of the many problems with the American left, and indeed of the American left, has been its image and self-image as something rather too solemn, mirthless, herbivorous, dull, monochrome, righteous, and boring. How many times, in my old days at The Nation magazine, did I hear wistful and semienvious ruminations? Where was the radical Firing Line show? Who will be our Rush Limbaugh? I used privately to hope that the emphasis, if the comrades ever got around to it, would be on the first of those and not the second. But the meetings themselves were so mind-numbing and lugubrious that I thought the danger of success on either front was infinitely slight.

Nonetheless, it seems that an answer to this long-felt need is finally beginning to emerge. I exempt Al Franken's unintentionally funny Air America network, to which I gave a couple of interviews in its early days. There, one could hear the reassuring noise of collapsing scenery and tripped-over wires and be reminded once again that correct politics and smooth media presentation are not even distant cousins. With Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, however, an entirely new note has been struck. Here we glimpse a possible fusion between the turgid routines of MoveOn.org and the filmic standards, if not exactly the filmic skills, of Sergei Eisenstein or Leni Riefenstahl.

To describe this film as dishonest and demagogic would almost be to promote those terms to the level of respectability. To describe this film as a piece of crap would be to run the risk of a discourse that would never again rise above the excremental. To describe it as an exercise in facile crowd-pleasing would be too obvious. Fahrenheit 9/11 is a sinister exercise in moral frivolity, crudely disguised as an exercise in seriousness. It is also a spectacle of abject political cowardice masking itself as a demonstration of "dissenting" bravery.


In late 2002, almost a year after the al-Qaida assault on American society, I had an onstage debate with Michael Moore at the Telluride Film Festival. In the course of this exchange, he stated his view that Osama Bin Laden should be considered innocent until proven guilty. This was, he said, the American way. The intervention in Afghanistan, he maintained, had been at least to that extent unjustified. Something—I cannot guess what, since we knew as much then as we do now—has since apparently persuaded Moore that Osama Bin Laden is as guilty as hell. Indeed, Osama is suddenly so guilty and so all-powerful that any other discussion of any other topic is a dangerous "distraction" from the fight against him. I believe that I understand the convenience of this late conversion.


Recruiters in Michigan

Fahrenheit 9/11 makes the following points about Bin Laden and about Afghanistan, and makes them in this order:

1) The Bin Laden family (if not exactly Osama himself) had a close if convoluted business relationship with the Bush family, through the Carlyle Group.

2) Saudi capital in general is a very large element of foreign investment in the United States.

3) The Unocal company in Texas had been willing to discuss a gas pipeline across Afghanistan with the Taliban, as had other vested interests.

4) The Bush administration sent far too few ground troops to Afghanistan and thus allowed far too many Taliban and al-Qaida members to escape.

5) The Afghan government, in supporting the coalition in Iraq, was purely risible in that its non-army was purely American.

6) The American lives lost in Afghanistan have been wasted. (This I divine from the fact that this supposedly "antiwar" film is dedicated ruefully to all those killed there, as well as in Iraq.)

It must be evident to anyone, despite the rapid-fire way in which Moore's direction eases the audience hastily past the contradictions, that these discrepant scatter shots do not cohere at any point. Either the Saudis run U.S. policy (through family ties or overwhelming economic interest), or they do not. As allies and patrons of the Taliban regime, they either opposed Bush's removal of it, or they did not. (They opposed the removal, all right: They wouldn't even let Tony Blair land his own plane on their soil at the time of the operation.) Either we sent too many troops, or were wrong to send any at all—the latter was Moore's view as late as 2002—or we sent too few. If we were going to make sure no Taliban or al-Qaida forces survived or escaped, we would have had to be more ruthless than I suspect that Mr. Moore is really recommending. And these are simply observations on what is "in" the film. If we turn to the facts that are deliberately left out, we discover that there is an emerging Afghan army, that the country is now a joint NATO responsibility and thus under the protection of the broadest military alliance in history, that it has a new constitution and is preparing against hellish odds to hold a general election, and that at least a million and a half of its former refugees have opted to return. I don't think a pipeline is being constructed yet, not that Afghanistan couldn't do with a pipeline. But a highway from Kabul to Kandahar—an insurance against warlordism and a condition of nation-building—is nearing completion with infinite labor and risk. We also discover that the parties of the Afghan secular left—like the parties of the Iraqi secular left—are strongly in favor of the regime change. But this is not the sort of irony in which Moore chooses to deal.

Read full story... http://slate.msn.com/id/2102723

 

[nycflasher]

Well, Moore's documentary was the first ever to beat out all other movies its opening weekend, grossing $25 mil I think.

I read a good article in the New Yorker this weekend and have to agree with it's conclusion that Moore's greatest fault is probably his inability to sway anybody--preaching to the choir.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by Pale Rider
I don't think I've ever seen a better example of "PSYCHO-BABBLE"! What in the hell does "shunting in narcissism" mean? What a conglomerate of bull shit.

You're brain's in a bubble all right.

lol

 

[rtwngAvngr]

The guy is an antiamerican liar.

 

[insein]

You have to put it in Perspective though. Its opening weekend he shot his load with all of his liberal buddies going out to see it. Next weekend it will drop alot and in subsequent weeks you will see drastic drop offs. He don't care. It took him all of a couple thousand to make the thing and he's just made 25 million of off the sheep who went to see it.

In the grand scheme of opening weekend turnouts, Moore's 9/11 finished 242 overall. Right smack in Between Legally Blonde 2: Red, white and Blonde and Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Time. Yep breaking some records there.

You watch the evening news you'd think it was beating Titanic when it can't even beat a dumb Blonde and barely sqeaked by a Video Game movie.

The best thing people could do to moore is ignore him. You don't like what he says, let him say it to no one. Don't mention his name, don't give him free air play just let him be an idiot and he'll play himself out. He's like a child crying for attention.

 

[nycflasher]

Originally posted by insein


The best thing people could do to moore is ignore him. You don't like what he says, let him say it to no one. Don't mention his name, don't give him free air play just let him be an idiot and he'll play himself out. He's like a child crying for attention.

You all give him quite alot of attention here. One might be led to believe that he actually is influential.

 

[phadras]

bastard? Gawd what a loathsome fatass..
Somebody get a rope...