Merrick Garland Has No Legal Standing Against Trump

[mudwhistle]

Ok. Who can investigate Trump?

Anyone can investigate Trump....and that's all they've been doing.
The problem always seems to be an absence of crimes.

They have been using the courts and congressional oversight to harass him.....not to investigate real corruption.

 

[SavannahMann]

Anyone can investigate Trump....and that's all they've been doing.
The problem always seems to be an absence of crimes.

They have been using the courts and congressional oversight to harass him.....not to investigate real corruption.

Interesting. So the request to the Georgia Secretary of State to find more votes for Trump was legal. Got it. Sure Georgia law says it isn’t. But hey. This is Trump and the laws don’t apply to the President.

And the declassified claim? Odd isn’t it. Trump could have ended the probe by simply asserting that “fact” in a court filing couldn’t he? Why hasn’t he?

Even people in Trump’s administration say he never declassified the documents.

But according to you and the Internet experts. We know he did because he said so in a post to Truth Social.

For experts, the evidence in two probes compels charging Trump

Two reports analyzing two different criminal investigations into Donald Trump have reached a singular conclusion: there is enough evidence to bring charges against the former president. Veter…

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Why haven’t his attorneys claimed in a court filing that the documents were declassified. Why didn’t they answer the Special Master they requested when he asked if the documents were declassified?

 

[mudwhistle]

Interesting. So the request to the Georgia Secretary of State to find more votes for Trump was legal. Got it. Sure Georgia law says it isn’t. But hey. This is Trump and the laws don’t apply to the President.

And the declassified claim? Odd isn’t it. Trump could have ended the probe by simply asserting that “fact” in a court filing couldn’t he? Why hasn’t he?

Even people in Trump’s administration say he never declassified the documents.

But according to you and the Internet experts. We know he did because he said so in a post to Truth Social.

For experts, the evidence in two probes compels charging Trump

Two reports analyzing two different criminal investigations into Donald Trump have reached a singular conclusion: there is enough evidence to bring charges against the former president. Veter…

thehill.com

Why haven’t his attorneys claimed in a court filing that the documents were declassified. Why didn’t they answer the Special Master they requested when he asked if the documents were declassified?

There's no law that says you can't find votes. Democraps do it every election. That's what they do when the conduct Vote Farming activties.

What makes you think that Trump's lawyers haven't said anything about the constitution in court filings? The issue is being argued and if they want to...they can take it to the Supreme Court again.

Bill Barr is a Washington insider....and whatever he says has to be taken with a grain of salt.
You need to go back and read the OP because it doesn't matter what anyone says. Those docs were declassified the moment they were shipped to Mara-lago.

Oh....and the classification of those documents isn't the only issue AG Garland is claiming. He's claiming those docs were hidden....altered....and illegally removed from the White House. The only thing they admitted was removed was keepsakes and Obama's letter to Trump upon leaving office. The were asked if any sensitive items were taken and they of course refused to comment.

 

[SavannahMann]

There's no law that says you can't find votes. Democraps do it every election. That's what they do when the conduct Vote Farming activties.

What makes you think that Trump's lawyers haven't said anything about the constitution in court filings? The issue is being argued and if they want to...they can take it to the Supreme Court again.

Bill Barr is a Washington insider....and whatever he says has to be taken with a grain of salt.
You need to go back and read the OP because it doesn't matter what anyone says. Those docs were declassified the moment they were shipped to Mara-lago.

Oh....and the classification of those documents isn't the only issue AG Garland is claiming. He's claiming those docs were hidden....altered....and illegally removed from the White House. The only thing they admitted was removed was keepsakes and Obama's letter to Trump upon leaving office. The were asked if any sensitive items were taken and they of course refused to comment.

Trumps lawyers haven’t said that Trump declassified the documents. Why not? Wouldn’t that make the prosecution Moot? Wouldn’t it reveal the investigation to be political? Why haven’t they filed that little vital fact?

 

[mudwhistle]

Trumps lawyers haven’t said that Trump declassified the documents. Why not? Wouldn’t that make the prosecution Moot? Wouldn’t it reveal the investigation to be political? Why haven’t they filed that little vital fact?

Again.....read the OP again:

"The leading case on this is Navy v. Egan, 484 U.S. 518 (1988), which considered whether a civil service board can review a “laborer’s” being denied national security clearance. In that context, the Supreme Court was clear about the president’s plenary power:

The President, after all, is the “Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.” U.S.Const., Art. II, § 2. His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant. See Cafeteria Workers v. McElroy, 367 U. S. 886, 367 U. S. 890 (1961).

Note that there are no procedural rules the president must follow to exercise his authority. Again, that’s because neither Congress nor the bureaucracy (which reports to the president) has the power to impose rules on him.
Because Trump was still the President of the United States, at the very moment when he transferred those documents from the White House to his private residence, they were automatically and instantly declassified. After that, nothing in his possession was either “sensitive” or “classified,” and neither the current nor the past Attorney General can change that fact."

 

[SavannahMann]

Again.....read the OP again:

"The leading case on this is Navy v. Egan, 484 U.S. 518 (1988), which considered whether a civil service board can review a “laborer’s” being denied national security clearance. In that context, the Supreme Court was clear about the president’s plenary power:


Note that there are no procedural rules the president must follow to exercise his authority. Again, that’s because neither Congress nor the bureaucracy (which reports to the president) has the power to impose rules on him.
Because Trump was still the President of the United States, at the very moment when he transferred those documents from the White House to his private residence, they were automatically and instantly declassified. After that, nothing in his possession was either “sensitive” or “classified,” and neither the current nor the past Attorney General can change that fact."

And the Trump Legal team could argue the documents were already declassified. But they have not. When questioned by their own Special Master about declassification of the documents, the Trump team didn’t answer.

I mean it is like claiming to the press that you have an alabai for the murder but refusing to tell the court that. You could end your legal problems with a single thing but you won’t do it.

Better yet. It is like the Press explaining that Chauvin is totally innocent because there is proof that Floyd overdosed. When the trial came, and all the motions before, not one Coroner claimed that Floyd overdosed. Not a single one. Today a lot of people on the extreme right swear this is the truth without a single Expert to agree with them.

 

[mudwhistle]

And the Trump Legal team could argue the documents were already declassified. But they have not. When questioned by their own Special Master about declassification of the documents, the Trump team didn’t answer.

The Trump team didn't have to answer....because the fact of the matter is already established in the Supreme Court.
The question didn't need to be asked and doesn't need to be answered. Answering will just set Trump's people up for more false claims by Democrats and possible charges from the DOJ.

 

[SavannahMann]

The Trump team didn't have to answer....because the fact of the matter is already established in the Supreme Court.
The question didn't need to be asked and doesn't need to be answered. Answering will just set Trump's people up for more false claims by Democrats and possible charges from the DOJ.

Ok. Let me get this straight. Trump kept documents he wasn’t supposed to keep. Those documents were and are covered by the Presidential Records Act. Many documents were marked as having classified data including and up Top Secret.

Possession of those documents is a Felony. A felony according to the law signed by President Trump.

https://www.congress.gov/115/plaws/publ118/PLAW-115publ118.pdf

Trump signs surveillance extension into law

The law tweaks the sweeping warrantless programs that intercept digital traffic of foreign targets while hoovering up the personal information of an unknown number of Americans.

www.politico.com

Now the only criminal defense would be if the documents were in fact declassified. A defense that any lawyer would argue. Any lawyer hoping to keep his client out of jail anyway.

The fact that they have not made that assertion in a Court Filing is according to you to avoid possible criminal charges.

I guess you and they understand that Perjury is a crime. That is what you call it when you make a false statement.

 

[mudwhistle]

Ok. Let me get this straight. Trump kept documents he wasn’t supposed to keep. Those documents were and are covered by the Presidential Records Act. Many documents were marked as having classified data including and up Top Secret.

Possession of those documents is a Felony. A felony according to the law signed by President Trump.

https://www.congress.gov/115/plaws/publ118/PLAW-115publ118.pdf

Trump signs surveillance extension into law

The law tweaks the sweeping warrantless programs that intercept digital traffic of foreign targets while hoovering up the personal information of an unknown number of Americans.

www.politico.com

Now the only criminal defense would be if the documents were in fact declassified. A defense that any lawyer would argue. Any lawyer hoping to keep his client out of jail anyway.

The fact that they have not made that assertion in a Court Filing is according to you to avoid possible criminal charges.

I guess you and they understand that Perjury is a crime. That is what you call it when you make a false statement.

No......the only reason they're claiming that he kept documents he wasn't supposed to keep is because the current administration doesn't want to have to run a fair election against him, because they know he'd clean their clocks.

They're just abusing their authority and trying to explore the boundaries of the legal system. They already got caught red-handed perpetrating a fraud with the Mueller Investigation and Russian Collusion....and this is just more of the same shit.

The problem is people that pulled that operation weren't thrown in prison. They're still running the DOJ and the FBI.

 

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