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None. So work on an Amendment if there's something you want done, you filthy commie.
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Human nature has never 'evolved' and it never will. Why don't you hold your breath waiting for greed, envy, sloth, gluttony, vanity, jealousy, narcissism, ego, laziness, anger, pride, et all to be 'cultured' out of the human race?Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
Be careful what you wish for...
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That has nothing to do with the Constitution. The Constitution is a document concerning the limitations and function of the Federal government, not culture. You're confused.Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
What form of government would you like to replace the Constitution with?
Slavery still exists but I don't think it is legal anywhere anymore. Almost every ancient civilization was based on slavery.Human nature has never 'evolved' and it never will. Why don't you hold your breath waiting for greed, envy, sloth, gluttony, vanity, jealousy, narcissism, ego, laziness, anger, pride, et all to be 'cultured' out of the human race?Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
White superiority was generally accepted by the majority in the West, that has changed.
Wars of conquest were considered normal and natural for millenia. Hitler tried it and is considered a villian.
Man is still the same but how he thinks of his place on earth is becoming global.
One where the rights of the minority are protected but not at the cost of having a minority of Americans rule the majority of Americans.That has nothing to do with the Constitution. The Constitution is a document concerning the limitations and function of the Federal government, not culture. You're confused.Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
What form of government would you like to replace the Constitution with?
The Constitution is a reflection of the American culture and values at the time of America's' founding. Slavery was part of the culture, it no longer is and is not protected by the Constitution. America culture was rural and agrarian at its start. That is no longer the case but the Constitution has not been updated to reflect that change.That has nothing to do with the Constitution. The Constitution is a document concerning the limitations and function of the Federal government, not culture. You're confused.Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
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Meet the Putz is more like it.I happened to flip through the channels today and saw Meet the Press. What did relevant news story where they talking about? That's right, a story that happened in 1921 known as the Tulsa Massacre. Blacks were attacked due to racial tensions you can read about in Wiki.
Tulsa race massacre - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
That's right everyone, that is the relevant topic for today. The story was presented by a movement dedicated to focusing in on the slavery and racial oppression that happened centuries ago, while ignoring the fact that there are more slaves in the world today than at any other time in human history. After all, who cares about suffering today when we can focus on suffering of the past in order to work up enough people to lash out at others with racial ill feelings towards people based on what their long dead forefathers did?
In 2020, More People are Enslaved on Earth Than Ever Before in Human History
Despite massive leaps in technology and quality of life, more people, including children, are enslaved right now than ever before in human history.thefreethoughtproject.com
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Be specific. Which nation on earth has the best form of government in your opinion.One where the rights of the minority are protected but not at the cost of having a minority of Americans rule the majority of Americans.That has nothing to do with the Constitution. The Constitution is a document concerning the limitations and function of the Federal government, not culture. You're confused.Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
What form of government would you like to replace the Constitution with?
I'm hardly an expert, even when it comes to America but I'm a firm believer in capitalism and democracy. Which form of democracy is best? I honestly don't know. I've been to Europe and Canada but I can't say I noticed much difference from the US.Be specific. Which nation on earth has the best form of government in your opinion.One where the rights of the minority are protected but not at the cost of having a minority of Americans rule the majority of Americans.That has nothing to do with the Constitution. The Constitution is a document concerning the limitations and function of the Federal government, not culture. You're confused.Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
What form of government would you like to replace the Constitution with?
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That still doesn't change the things I listed, they will all remain, so the things you mentioned will just be replaced, just in different forms. There is no 'progress' to human nature.Slavery still exists but I don't think it is legal anywhere anymore. Almost every ancient civilization was based on slavery.Human nature has never 'evolved' and it never will. Why don't you hold your breath waiting for greed, envy, sloth, gluttony, vanity, jealousy, narcissism, ego, laziness, anger, pride, et all to be 'cultured' out of the human race?Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
White superiority was generally accepted by the majority in the West, that has changed.
Wars of conquest were considered normal and natural for millenia. Hitler tried it and is considered a villian.
Man is still the same but how he thinks of his place on earth is becoming global.
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There were big cities at the country's founding, things were mostly 'agrarian' because of the technology of the time. There's nothing in the Constitution that has anything to do with rural vs urban policies. Imo, you keep talking about humans progressing, but values and morals were far more upheld within society in those times than they are in these times.The Constitution is a reflection of the American culture and values at the time of America's' founding. Slavery was part of the culture, it no longer is and is not protected by the Constitution. America culture was rural and agrarian at its start. That is no longer the case but the Constitution has not been updated to reflect that change.That has nothing to do with the Constitution. The Constitution is a document concerning the limitations and function of the Federal government, not culture. You're confused.Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
New York City in 1800 had a population of 60,000 a small fraction of the population of the state. The Constitution was written to protect, not rural states, but states with a small population. It did that just fine but I'd bet our Constitution would look far different today if our FF came back to write it.There were big cities at the country's founding, things were mostly 'agrarian' because of the technology of the time. There's nothing in the Constitution that has anything to do with rural vs urban policies. Imo, you keep talking about humans progressing, but values and morals were far more upheld within society in those times than they are in these times.The Constitution is a reflection of the American culture and values at the time of America's' founding. Slavery was part of the culture, it no longer is and is not protected by the Constitution. America culture was rural and agrarian at its start. That is no longer the case but the Constitution has not been updated to reflect that change.That has nothing to do with the Constitution. The Constitution is a document concerning the limitations and function of the Federal government, not culture. You're confused.Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
I don't see old time morality as better than ours, if anything I'd say it is far worse: slavery, cock fighting, misogyny, broken treaties with the natives, religious intolerance, etc.
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The Constitution was written to limit the reach of government into our lives, and protect our God given rights.New York City in 1800 had a population of 60,000 a small fraction of the population of the state. The Constitution was written to protect, not rural states, but states with a small population. It did that just fine but I'd bet our Constitution would look far different today if our FF came back to write it.There were big cities at the country's founding, things were mostly 'agrarian' because of the technology of the time. There's nothing in the Constitution that has anything to do with rural vs urban policies. Imo, you keep talking about humans progressing, but values and morals were far more upheld within society in those times than they are in these times.The Constitution is a reflection of the American culture and values at the time of America's' founding. Slavery was part of the culture, it no longer is and is not protected by the Constitution. America culture was rural and agrarian at its start. That is no longer the case but the Constitution has not been updated to reflect that change.That has nothing to do with the Constitution. The Constitution is a document concerning the limitations and function of the Federal government, not culture. You're confused.Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
I don't see old time morality as better than ours, if anything I'd say it is far worse: slavery, cock fighting, misogyny, broken treaties with the natives, religious intolerance, etc.
You're only 1/2 right. You're right, it does recognize some intrinsic rights and codified others. The need for a stronger Federal government soon became apparent due to the failure of the Articles of Confederation. It eventually led to the Constitutional Convention in 1787. The present United States Constitution replaced the Articles of Confederation on March 4, 1789.The Constitution was written to limit the reach of government into our lives, and protect our God given rights.New York City in 1800 had a population of 60,000 a small fraction of the population of the state. The Constitution was written to protect, not rural states, but states with a small population. It did that just fine but I'd bet our Constitution would look far different today if our FF came back to write it.There were big cities at the country's founding, things were mostly 'agrarian' because of the technology of the time. There's nothing in the Constitution that has anything to do with rural vs urban policies. Imo, you keep talking about humans progressing, but values and morals were far more upheld within society in those times than they are in these times.The Constitution is a reflection of the American culture and values at the time of America's' founding. Slavery was part of the culture, it no longer is and is not protected by the Constitution. America culture was rural and agrarian at its start. That is no longer the case but the Constitution has not been updated to reflect that change.That has nothing to do with the Constitution. The Constitution is a document concerning the limitations and function of the Federal government, not culture. You're confused.Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
I don't see old time morality as better than ours, if anything I'd say it is far worse: slavery, cock fighting, misogyny, broken treaties with the natives, religious intolerance, etc.
Human nature has never 'evolved' and it never will. Why don't you hold your breath waiting for greed, envy, sloth, gluttony, vanity, jealousy, narcissism, ego, laziness, anger, pride, et all to be 'cultured' out of the human race?Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
Nail on the head!!
The number one lie of every totalitarian is that they will change human nature.
1.The Constitution commemorates our revolution, and, as Madison states in the ‘Federalist,’ is the greatest of all reflections on human nature…human beings are not angels.”
a. Humans are not perfectible, but are capable of self government. The republican form of government presupposes this idea of humans. Our government is not a controlling government, but must itself be controlled: by the Constitution.
b. Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person (Russian: новый советский человек), as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia
Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :
"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will"
New Soviet man - Wikipedia
The birth of "The New Soviet Man" was the stated aim of Marxism, breeding a new evolutionary form of human being who will think, look, and act differently. The next footage was the Nazi attempt to do exactly the same thing: in German, "We must create a new man! A new life form should appear!"
"In both systems we have the ideology of creating a new man. Both systems don't agree with human nature as it is...they are at war with human nature. Both are based on false biology, and false sociology."
Françoise Thom, professor of Soviet history, Sorbonne, Paris
“Phrases like “rebellion against authority,” “revolution in education,” “destroying an old world so a new one could be born,” and “creating new man”—all of which attracted many in the West in the 1960s—were interpreted as calls for violent action. Mao understood the latent violence of the young, and said that since they were well fed and had had their lessons stopped, they could easily be stirred up and use their boundless energy to go out and wreak havoc.” Chang, “Wild Swans”
"He exploded: "You Capitalists always talk about 'human nature;' but there is no such thing. Human beings are what you make them. Capitalism makes them acquisitive, selfish; it inevitably produces clashes and WAR. Communism makes persons selfless, with concern not for themselves as individuals, but for the whole society-the masses. Thus, Communism won't lead to clashes-and the whole world at last will have PEACE!" The Schwarz Report | Essays
In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
-http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html_____
Oh the irony!I happened to flip through the channels today and saw Meet the Press. What did relevant news story where they talking about? That's right, a story that happened in 1921 known as the Tulsa Massacre. Blacks were attacked due to racial tensions you can read about in Wiki.
Tulsa race massacre - Wikipedia
That's right everyone, that is the relevant topic for today. The story was presented by a movement dedicated to focusing in on the slavery and racial oppression that happened centuries ago, while ignoring the fact that there are more slaves in the world today than at any other time in human history. After all, who cares about suffering today when we can focus on suffering of the past in order to work up enough people to lash out at others with racial ill feelings towards people based on what their long dead forefathers did?
In 2020, More People are Enslaved on Earth Than Ever Before in Human History
Despite massive leaps in technology and quality of life, more people, including children, are enslaved right now than ever before in human history.
The likes of Lori Lightfoot are actually engaged in enslaving the blacks in her city.
If someone from outer space visited and saw what the black political and 'community' black leaders are turning their eyes away from the space person could only conclude what was happening was the worst type of enslavement of blacks.
What leaders are doing to their follow blacks is what Hitler was doing to the Jews in the ghettos.
Humans will never be perfect but we can improve and that improvement will be reflected in our society. Slavery was an accepted part of society for millennia but no more. Similarly racism, genocide, pedaephilia, misogyny, homophobia, etc. are also slowing losing acceptance in most societies.Human nature has never 'evolved' and it never will. Why don't you hold your breath waiting for greed, envy, sloth, gluttony, vanity, jealousy, narcissism, ego, laziness, anger, pride, et all to be 'cultured' out of the human race?Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
Nail on the head!!
The number one lie of every totalitarian is that they will change human nature.
1.The Constitution commemorates our revolution, and, as Madison states in the ‘Federalist,’ is the greatest of all reflections on human nature…human beings are not angels.”
a. Humans are not perfectible, but are capable of self government. The republican form of government presupposes this idea of humans. Our government is not a controlling government, but must itself be controlled: by the Constitution.
b. Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person (Russian: новый советский человек), as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :
"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will"
New Soviet man - Wikipedia
The birth of "The New Soviet Man" was the stated aim of Marxism, breeding a new evolutionary form of human being who will think, look, and act differently. The next footage was the Nazi attempt to do exactly the same thing: in German, "We must create a new man! A new life form should appear!"
"In both systems we have the ideology of creating a new man. Both systems don't agree with human nature as it is...they are at war with human nature. Both are based on false biology, and false sociology."
Françoise Thom, professor of Soviet history, Sorbonne, Paris
“Phrases like “rebellion against authority,” “revolution in education,” “destroying an old world so a new one could be born,” and “creating new man”—all of which attracted many in the West in the 1960s—were interpreted as calls for violent action. Mao understood the latent violence of the young, and said that since they were well fed and had had their lessons stopped, they could easily be stirred up and use their boundless energy to go out and wreak havoc.” Chang, “Wild Swans”
"He exploded: "You Capitalists always talk about 'human nature;' but there is no such thing. Human beings are what you make them. Capitalism makes them acquisitive, selfish; it inevitably produces clashes and WAR. Communism makes persons selfless, with concern not for themselves as individuals, but for the whole society-the masses. Thus, Communism won't lead to clashes-and the whole world at last will have PEACE!" The Schwarz Report | Essays
In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
-http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html_____
Humans will never be perfect but we can improve and that improvement will be reflected in our society. Slavery was an accepted part of society for millennia but no more. Similarly racism, genocide, pedaephilia, misogyny, homophobia, etc. are also slowing losing acceptance in most societies.Human nature has never 'evolved' and it never will. Why don't you hold your breath waiting for greed, envy, sloth, gluttony, vanity, jealousy, narcissism, ego, laziness, anger, pride, et all to be 'cultured' out of the human race?Everything changes, even human 'nature' (really human culture). Continuous change is evolution and that is a positive. If we refuse to change the Constitution, eventually it will break, that is revolution and that is dangerous.Human nature has not changed since the dawn of man, half of it is ugly, evil, and needs to be kept harnessed, and the US Constitution is the first thing mankind has done that has worked to keep it somewhat in check. It's not going anywhere any time soon.
Nail on the head!!
The number one lie of every totalitarian is that they will change human nature.
1.The Constitution commemorates our revolution, and, as Madison states in the ‘Federalist,’ is the greatest of all reflections on human nature…human beings are not angels.”
a. Humans are not perfectible, but are capable of self government. The republican form of government presupposes this idea of humans. Our government is not a controlling government, but must itself be controlled: by the Constitution.
b. Communist Revolution is based on the idea of transforming human nature. “The New Soviet man or New Soviet person (Russian: новый советский человек), as postulated by the ideologists of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, was an archetype of a person with certain qualities that were said to be emerging as dominant among all citizens of the Soviet Union, irrespective of the country's long-standing cultural, ethnic, and linguistic diversity, creating a single Soviet people, Soviet nation.[1]
New Soviet man - Wikipedia
Leon Trotsky wrote in his Literature and Revolution [2] :
"The human species, the sluggish Homo sapiens, will once again enter the stage of radical reconstruction and become in his own hands the object of the most complex methods of artificial selection and psychophysical training... Man will make it his goal...to create a higher sociobiological type, a superman, if you will"
New Soviet man - Wikipedia
The birth of "The New Soviet Man" was the stated aim of Marxism, breeding a new evolutionary form of human being who will think, look, and act differently. The next footage was the Nazi attempt to do exactly the same thing: in German, "We must create a new man! A new life form should appear!"
"In both systems we have the ideology of creating a new man. Both systems don't agree with human nature as it is...they are at war with human nature. Both are based on false biology, and false sociology."
Françoise Thom, professor of Soviet history, Sorbonne, Paris
“Phrases like “rebellion against authority,” “revolution in education,” “destroying an old world so a new one could be born,” and “creating new man”—all of which attracted many in the West in the 1960s—were interpreted as calls for violent action. Mao understood the latent violence of the young, and said that since they were well fed and had had their lessons stopped, they could easily be stirred up and use their boundless energy to go out and wreak havoc.” Chang, “Wild Swans”
"He exploded: "You Capitalists always talk about 'human nature;' but there is no such thing. Human beings are what you make them. Capitalism makes them acquisitive, selfish; it inevitably produces clashes and WAR. Communism makes persons selfless, with concern not for themselves as individuals, but for the whole society-the masses. Thus, Communism won't lead to clashes-and the whole world at last will have PEACE!" The Schwarz Report | Essays
In 1969, Hillary Rodham gave the student commencement address at Wellesley in which she said that “ for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible….We’re not interested in social reconstruction; it’s human reconstruction.”
-http://www.wellesley.edu/PublicAffairs/Commencement/1969/053169hillary.html_____
"Humans will never be perfect..."
Speak for yourself.
This from someone who has written "Humans are not perfectible". Which is it? Or, as I always suspected, are you a bot?
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