Media lie to you about Fake Electors?

[gipper]

I'll start with the obvious one. Why would the Unemployment Rate go from including all those of working age not working to only including those who haven't spent 6 months inactive in looking for work? That was a change made many years ago, and it twisted the perception of unemployment.

This is but one example among many how government lies and distorts the facts for it’s benefit.

We’re living in a nation where the government lies or misrepresents nearly everything. When will the people take notice and stop this shit?

 

[Rambunctious]

Good luck

Its the dirty left that will need luck on their side... every charge against Trump is unraveling before a court date is reached....

 

[Lone Wanderer]

You’re interacting with one of the forum’s worst trolls in Slow Horses fyi.

Some excellent points above, but what do you think of the OP?

I think elections at the federal level in the US are often rigged if they are close. It's not a hard thing to manage with loose mail-in voting laws, little to no voter ID policies in many jurisdictions, and little to no criteria for signature verification oftentimes.

To be fair, I started having doubts in presidential elections as far back as 2000, with the "hanging chad" nonsense.

2016 seems like an anomaly for one reason: I have never seen the elites try so hard to remove a president as they did with Trump. What they're doing right now to prevent him from running again makes it clear that they see him as a threat. So I think 2016 might be one of the few times they didn't successfully throw things at the presidential level.

Granted, I don't think they have to be too concerned about who enters office most of the time, since they usually buy both candidates. I have a feeling the next election will involve Ron DeSantis and some Democrat other than Biden (probably Newsom). Biden is too old to really get through a second term. Newsom has stated he isn't running, but if Biden is persuaded to step down, I think that will change. Both DeSantis and Newsom can be bought IMHO.

 

[Lone Wanderer]

To further elaborate on the fake electors thing, there is nothing illegal about filing as alternate electors as the example in the OP shows. There is nothing illegal about questioning election results either, but political persecution is a standard tactic of repressive regimes. Our government has behaved oppressively in a lot of ways for a long time, but in years past, they were typically more subtle about it.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Lost in the wilderness is Lone Wanderer. Bub, the indicted voluntarily, willingly, and knowingly filed fake documents that they signed and notarizes. These are felonies.

State investigations are now underway into fake electors in Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania,

 

[MinTrut]

I think elections at the federal level in the US are often rigged if they are close. It's not a hard thing to manage with loose mail-in voting laws, little to no voter ID policies in many jurisdictions, and little to no criteria for signature verification oftentimes.

To be fair, I started having doubts in presidential elections as far back as 2000, with the "hanging chad" nonsense.

2016 seems like an anomaly for one reason: I have never seen the elites try so hard to remove a president as they did with Trump. What they're doing right now to prevent him from running again makes it clear that they see him as a threat. So I think 2016 might be one of the few times they didn't successfully throw things at the presidential level.

Granted, I don't think they have to be too concerned about who enters office most of the time, since they usually buy both candidates. I have a feeling the next election will involve Ron DeSantis and some Democrat other than Biden (probably Newsom). Biden is too old to really get through a second term. Newsom has stated he isn't running, but if Biden is persuaded to step down, I think that will change. Both DeSantis and Newsom can be bought IMHO.

Some very good points, but I do think Trump will be the nominee, losing to either Biden or Newsom.

 

[sealybobo]

60 years ago the same issue happened. Your lefty media is feeding you people BS and you ate it without a fork.

The 2020 Georgia situation mirrors events of 60 years ago in Hawaii, revealing that everything the media have said about ‘fake electors’ is wrong.

Headlines recently proclaimed that eight of Trump’s “fake” electors accepted immunity deals. Of course, in reporting the news, the corporate outlets all missed the real story — that the electors’ testimony failed to incriminate anyone, including Trump, and that the county prosecutors engaged in massive misconduct. Equally appalling, however, was the corrupt media’s continued peddling of the “fake electors” narrative.

There were no “fake” electors. There were contingent Republican electors named consistent with legal precedent to preserve the still ongoing legal challenges to the validity of Georgia’s certified vote.

Nor was appointing an alternative slate of electors some cockamamie plan devised by Trump lawyers. On the contrary, Trump’s election lawyers and the contingent electors followed the precise approach Democrats successfully used when the date Congress established for certifying an election came before the legal challenges John F. Kennedy had brought in Hawaii were decided. And that approach allowed Kennedy to be certified the winner of Hawaii’s three electoral votes on Jan. 6, 1961, even though the Aloha State had originally certified Richard Nixon the victor.
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The Hawaii scenario in 1960 mirrors in every material respect the facts on the ground in Georgia on Dec. 14, 2020 — the date both the Democrat and Republican presidential electors met and cast their 16 electoral votes for Joe Biden and Donald Trump respectively.
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Based on the original count in favor of Nixon, the acting governor of Hawaii, Republican James Kealoha, certified the Republican electors on Nov. 28, 1960. On Dec. 13, over the objections of the state attorney general, state circuit court Judge Ronald Jamieson ordered a recount. Then, on Dec. 19, both the Nixon and Kennedy electors met, “cast their votes for President and Vice President, and certified their own meeting and votes.”
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Ten days later, on Dec. 30, 1960, Judge Jamieson held that Kennedy had won the election. In so holding, Jamieson stressed the importance of the Democrat electors having met on Dec. 19, as prescribed by the Electoral Count Act, to cast their ballots in favor of Kennedy. That step allowed the Hawaii governor to then certify Kennedy as the winner of Hawaii’s three electoral votes and, in turn, Congress to count Hawaii’s electoral votes in favor of Kennedy.
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On Dec. 4, 2020, then-President Trump and Republican elector David Shafer filed suit in a Fulton County state court against Raffensperger, arguing tens of thousands of votes counted in the presidential election had been cast in violation of Georgia law. While Trump’s lawsuit was still pending, on Dec. 7, 2020, based on the recount, Raffensperger recertified Biden as the winner of Georgia’s 16 electoral votes by a margin of 11,779.

Trump and Shafer’s Fulton County lawsuit contesting the election results remained pending on Dec. 14, 2020, the date the presidential electors were required by federal law to meet. Thus, while the Democrat electors met and cast their ballots for Joe Biden, the Republican electors met separately and cast their 16 votes for Trump.

At that time, Shafer made clear the Trump electors had met and cast their votes to ensure Trump’s legal battle in court remained viable. Nonetheless, following Biden’s election, Fulton County Prosecutor Fani Willis targeted the Republican electors as part of her criminal special purpose grand jury investigation.

While the grand jury has since issued a report and been disbanded, Willis agreed to grant immunity to eight of the electors, likely to push them to implicate the other electors. However, their lawyer confirmed in a court filing that none of the electors implicated anyone in criminal activity.

Since then, Shafer’s attorneys, Holly Pierson and Craig Gillen, wrote Willis a detailed letter reviewing the Hawaii precedent. The attorneys noted they had made three prior written requests to meet “to discuss the factual and legal issues” relevant to Shafer’s role as a contingent Trump elector but had “not yet received any response to those requests.”
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In addition to detailing the Hawaii precedent from 1960, Shafer’s lawyers highlighted the fact that in contesting the 2000 election, lawyers for then-Democrat presidential candidate Al Gore cited that very precedent to support his position that two elector slates could be appointed. In fact, Democrat Rep. Patsy Mink of Hawaii suggested the 2000 Florida electoral dispute be resolved based on that Hawaii precedent too. And three Supreme Court justices in Bush v. Gore cited the Hawaii precedent as a basis for allowing the Florida recount to proceed.
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As the letter and Hawaii precedent make clear, Shafer and the other Trump electors not only did nothing wrong, but they acted prudentially to ensure that if the state court lawsuit resolved in the president’s favor, Georgia’s electoral votes would be properly counted on Jan. 6, 2020

Here we see one of the only differences between Trump’s legal challenge and Kennedy’s: The Hawaii state court promptly resolved the merits of Kennedy’s legal challenge, while in violation of the Georgia Election Code that requires lawsuits contesting elections to be heard within 20 days, the Fulton County court delayed assigning a judge to hear Trump’s election dispute and then delayed the first scheduled hearing until Jan. 8, 2021 — two days after Congress certified Biden the winner of the 2020 election.

Now you know the rest of the story. There were no fake electors. The question now is whether Willis will charge Shafer and others with fake crimes.

The Left's 2020 ‘Fake Electors’ Narrative Is Fake News

It was an attempted coup.

Liz Cheney Reveals 'Dangerous And Chilling' Moment She Overheard Trump's True Plan​

The former congresswoman wasn't supposed to be on the phone call in which Trump’s legal team discussed an elaborate plot involving fake electors for Trump as well as cooperation from then-Vice President Mike Pence.

They didn’t know Cheney was listening in.

“Listening to them describe how these fake electors were going to be used and the fact that they anticipated that Vice President Pence was gonna use them to refuse to count the legitimate electors was certainly a moment of intense concern,” she recalled.

Cheney said she ran to the House parliamentarian after the call to ask how the plan could stopped.
“It was very clear that there were not a lot of good answers to that,” she said, adding that she later learned Pence was having his own discussions with the Senate parliamentarian.

“The vice president ultimately of course did his duty bravely,” she said.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It was an attempted coup.

Liz Cheney Reveals 'Dangerous And Chilling' Moment She Overheard Trump's True Plan​

The former congresswoman wasn't supposed to be on the phone call in which Trump’s legal team discussed an elaborate plot involving fake electors for Trump as well as cooperation from then-Vice President Mike Pence.

They didn’t know Cheney was listening in.

“Listening to them describe how these fake electors were going to be used and the fact that they anticipated that Vice President Pence was gonna use them to refuse to count the legitimate electors was certainly a moment of intense concern,” she recalled.

Cheney said she ran to the House parliamentarian after the call to ask how the plan could stopped.
“It was very clear that there were not a lot of good answers to that,” she said, adding that she later learned Pence was having his own discussions with the Senate parliamentarian.

“The vice president ultimately of course did his duty bravely,” she said.

Lizbo is a RINO and irrelevant

 

[sealybobo]

Lizbo is a RINO and irrelevant

But she's not. That's what Republicans are going to have to turn back into after the Trumpies die out the same way Tea Baggers did. When Trump is found guilty of Jan 6, he won't even be able to vote for himself. Sad. Pathetic.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

But she's not. That's what Republicans are going to have to turn back into after the Trumpies die out the same way Tea Baggers did. When Trump is found guilty of Jan 6, he won't even be able to vote for himself. Sad. Pathetic.

Shes only relevant to you not Republicans. They kicked her RINO fat ass out. Therefore she's irrelevant and deranged for making shit up.

 

[sealybobo]

Lizbo is a RINO and irrelevant

Because she didn't go along with the plot to rig the election, that makes her a RINO? Then only rino's should be allowed to hold office. It's amazing traitors are still in our government. Santos isn't the only one who should be kicked out. Majorie Taylor Green, McCarthy and Mike Johnson all were willing to go along. We know who the traitors are.

Look at the shit Mike Johnson is doing

House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) said Tuesday that Republicans are blurring faces in security footage from inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, to protect rioters from prosecution.

Johnson’s comment is a remarkable statement of sympathy for supporters of then-President Donald Trump who illegally entered a restricted federal building as part of a violent attack on Congress.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Because she didn't go along with the plot to rig the election, that makes her a RINO? Then only rino's should be allowed to hold office. It's amazing traitors are still in our government. Santos isn't the only one who should be kicked out. Majorie Taylor Green, McCarthy and Mike Johnson all were willing to go along. We know who the traitors are.

Look at the shit Mike Johnson is doing

House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) said Tuesday that Republicans are blurring faces in security footage from inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, to protect rioters from prosecution.

Johnson’s comment is a remarkable statement of sympathy for supporters of then-President Donald Trump who illegally entered a restricted federal building as part of a violent attack on Congress.

Responding twice to the same post shows your ignorance
The response you just ignored

Shes only relevant to you not Republicans. They kicked her RINO fat ass out. Therefore she's irrelevant and deranged for making shit up.

 

[sealybobo]

Lizbo is a RINO and irrelevant

Trump won because he wasn't a Republican. Mitt, Jeb and McCain are Republicans. Trump is the actual RINO if you think about it. He's clearly godless.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Trump won because he wasn't a Republican. Mitt, Jeb and McCain are Republicans. Trump is the actual RINO if you think about it. He's clearly godless.

Shes only relevant to you not Republicans. They kicked her RINO fat ass out. Therefore she's irrelevant and deranged for making shit up.

 

[sealybobo]

Responding twice to the same post shows your ignorance
The response you just ignored

Your party split. 60% would pick Tr

Shes only relevant to you not Republicans. They kicked her RINO fat ass out. Therefore she's irrelevant and deranged for making shit up.

60% of Republicans want Trump. 40% don't. If Nikki ran, she'd get those 40% and the 60% will vote for her to get Biden out of the white house.

Trump is the best gift you could give us. The devil we know.

Yes it's sad that only neo nazi's can win your parties nomination. Election deniers.

While we are pretty sure you won't win, it's scary to think you could. But Trump won't win all 5 swing states. We only had to rig one of them. Not sure why we rigged all 5 last time. This time we won't be so obvious. Trump will only lose by one state.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Your party split. 60% would pick Tr

60% of Republicans want Trump. 40% don't. If Nikki ran, she'd get those 40% and the 60% will vote for her to get Biden out of the white house.

Trump is the best gift you could give us. The devil we know.

Yes it's sad that only neo nazi's can win your parties nomination. Election deniers.

While we are pretty sure you won't win, it's scary to think you could. But Trump won't win all 5 swing states. We only had to rig one of them. Not sure why we rigged all 5 last time. This time we won't be so obvious. Trump will only lose by one state.

Nikki Haley wants your online identity she's worse of the worse.

 

[Rigby5]

Lost in the wilderness is Lone Wanderer. Bub, the indicted voluntarily, willingly, and knowingly filed fake documents that they signed and notarizes. These are felonies.

State investigations are now underway into fake electors in Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania,

Wrong.
There is no way to make "fake documents".
The election results are public on election night.
Everyone knows the results, and the state legislators who are supposed to officially count the votes already know the results.
So claims of attempted fraud is totally impossible.

 

[sealybobo]

Nikki Haley wants your online identity she's worse of the worse.

My dad says "if she wins I'll vote for her" I remind him "dad she's just as bad as all the rest of them. Just because she says it in a sweet nice motherly kind of way, doesn't mean she's not exactly like Trump, Christie and Ron.

She'd sign any legislation Mike Johnson and Mitch sent her way. Correct? Same as the signed all Trump's legislation.

You don't realize it but the second she won, she'd become your brown messiah.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Wrong.
There is no way to make "fake documents".
The election results are public on election night.
Everyone knows the results, and the state legislators who are supposed to officially count the votes already know the results.
So claims of attempted fraud is totally impossible.

Nicely, that is an idiotic statement. No logic whatsoever. On ignore so you don't waste my time.

 

[Delldude]

It was an attempted coup.

Missing enough armed insurrectionists to stand off the US Armed Forces, right?

They didn’t know Cheney was listening in.

That the same Cheney who said Pelosi's J6 phone records would be subpoenaed?

“The vice president ultimately of course did his duty bravely,” she said.

LOL.....was chicken shit scared of following procedures laid out in the COTUS for objecting to an election.......you know, just like the democrats had done before.