McCain dead

[Avatar4321]

Although I did not always agree with him, I am sorry for John McCain's loss, and my thoughts go out to his family and friends. I think that he always tried to do what he thought was right for the country within the parameters of what he thought this was.

To the politics types here on USMB, Sometimes he made the wrong choices. I will have to say that his selection of Sarah Palin, an entirely useless individual, as his running mate cost him dearly. I just don't know what got into him at the time. Her selection was a major blunder.

Riiight...because if he just hadn't picked Sarah Palin the left wouldn't have trashed him but instead voted for him.

We had our moments on other issues, but in most times McCain retained his dignity .Why did he pick Palin to run with him? She was/is just white-trash garbage. Major blunder.

He did it as a gesture to both the conservatives and Hillary supporters that were supporting him. It worked too. Palin helped him get the votes of people who hated him.

Too bad he was both a crappy candidate and campaigner.

Too bad he was running against Obama

He never had a chance

maybe you guys shouldn't have called him a racist or attacked him the way you did

 

[Doc1]

If those such as Doc1 is knocking McCain, know that McCain was even greater hero.

He and Jane Fonda were perfect for each other.

False:

A Fox News analyst was fired in May 2018 after regurgitating this long-standing, long-debunked smear against McCain.

This recording and other smear documents has been traced to "Vietnam Veterans Against McCain".

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-sen-john-mccain-a-hanoi-hilton-songbird/

Sorry, you'll have to do better than Snopes, that would like me quoting FOX. McCain was a traitor.

 

[Doc1]

If those such as Doc1 is knocking McCain, know that McCain was even greater hero.

He and Jane Fonda were perfect for each other.

False:

A Fox News analyst was fired in May 2018 after regurgitating this long-standing, long-debunked smear against McCain.

This recording and other smear documents has been traced to "Vietnam Veterans Against McCain".

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-sen-john-mccain-a-hanoi-hilton-songbird/

reminds me of another brave vet our vets and republicans smeared ,,,Kerry

I read that it was same group that smeared Kerry. There are people that absolutely hate the military with a passion and will go to any length to smear a war hero.

I am Military punk, you aren't

 

[Coyote]

...Started cleaning the thread and then gave up. The topic Is McCain - they guy who just passed. NOT Trump. NOT Obama. McCain. Get with the topic please.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So what is you point?

 

[Harry Dresden]

This idiot didn’t know shit about an economy. All he knew was the military (half-assed most of the time) and that was it. Lost an election to Barack Obama? How? Thumbs down on repeal of the worst program ever. No use for this guy. Lefty will politicize his death. Obama will speak. In the end...McCain was not a hero...he was just a lying assed politician.

The problem is nearly all our politicians are just like him. Just a matter of a few degrees difference.

The problem is the Republican Party is a bunch of lying politicians. They have learned very well from Trump.

The problem is the Republican Party is a bunch of lying politicians.
and the democrats are not?....

Dumb

whats dumb?.....

 

[AZGAL]

Thank you John McCain for being a patriot and for being true to yourself.

 

[Avatar4321]

Let's look at the state of our union just from this thread:

we have many lefties who are praising McCain despite the fact that 10 years ago they said a bunch of vile trash about him when he was a political obstacle, but all in an effort to go use his death to attack Trump.

we have a bunch of righties who are attacking a dead man because of year s of legitimate frustration with him but have zero tact or kindness.

Then we have the rest of us (sadly few) who are decent human beings who believe some things transcend politics

 

[longknife]

[Repeat post!!!]

It is said that one should not speak ill of the dead.

It is also said that truth far outweighs lies.

So, here are some truths about John McCain:

At St. Stephen's School in Alexandria he developed an unruly, defiant streak. After 2 years following his admiral father, he attended Episcopal High School in Alexandria where he was nicknamed “Punk” and “McNasty due to his combative, fiery disposition. There is nothing on the net about his academic standing.

He entered the U.S. Naval Academy because of his father, a navy admiral of high standing. He earned 100 demerits each year and his father came to the academy several times to reprimand him. He graduated 5th from the bottom, 894th out of 899.

As a naval aviator, he frequently partied and paid little attention of flight manuals. Instead of being assigned as an elite fighter pilot, he was assigned to attack aircraft.

During a March 1960 practice run in Texas, he lost track of his altitude and speed, and his single-seat, single-engine, piston-driven AD-6 Skyraider crashed into Corpus Christi Bay and sank to the bottom. Although momentarily knocked unconscious by the impact, he squeezed out of the cockpit and swam ten feet to the surface, escaping without major injuries

Around December 1961 he collided with power lines while recklessly flying too low over southern Spain. The area suffered a power outage, but McCain was able to return his damaged Skyraider to Intrepid

Not exactly a stunning example of naval aviation.

In November 1965, he had his third accident when apparent engine failure in his T-2 Buckeye trainer jet over the Eastern Shore of Virginia led to his ejecting safely before his plane crashed.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3d/Vietcapturejm01.jpg/330px-Vietcapturejm01.jpg

I’m not even going into his stay at the Hanoi Hilton.



During their time in Jacksonville, the McCains' marriage began to falter. McCain had extramarital affairs; he was seen with other women in social settings and developed a reputation among his colleagues for womanizing. Some of McCain's activity with other women occurred when he was off-duty after routine flights to Marine Corps Air Station Yuma and Naval Air Facility El Centro.

Not a paramour of marital fidelity.

He then met and “dated” his current wife while married and finally got an uncontested divorce from Florida. His wife is the daughter of a very wealthy and politically connected family.

He got the reputation of being a maverick in Congress and there’s no doubt that he has never been on good terms with President Trump.

 

[Doc1]

Let's look at the state of our union just from this thread:

we have many lefties who are praising McCain despite the fact that 10 years ago they said a bunch of vile trash about him when he was a political obstacle, but all in an effort to go use his death to attack Trump.

we have a bunch of righties who are attacking a dead man because of year s of legitimate frustration with him but have zero tact or kindness.

Then we have the rest of us (sadly few) who are decent human beings who believe some things transcend politics

He is (as I have shown) a traitorous piece of shit. You DON'T record propaganda shit for your enemies.

 

[Avatar4321]

Just google “John McCain racist 2008”

Hundreds if not thousands of articles and videos where media pundits call McCain a racist.

I don’t know that for sure but it wouldn’t surprise me.
Republicans are 90% white for a reason.

There we go.

Thanks for being consistent.

Republicans are racist. Tell Indiana for me, please.

The demographics are interesting, false conclusions of racism aside.

Republican Party is becoming less and less white, as is the Democratic Party, because of the overall demographics of the nation.

2. Changing composition of the electorate and partisan coalitions

False? You can't be serious.
If you are going to link to PEW, point out why.

I'll help with this one quote: 83 percent of the registered voters who identify as Republican are non-Hispanic whites.

Did you know the largest minority in the US are Hispanics at over 15%? Did you know that over 90% identify as white? Wanna bet that if you add in white Hispanics, the GOP is still over 90% white?

Here are a few things to think about:

Elderly White Voters Are Starting to Turn on the GOP

One of the many odd features of American politics, circa 2018, is that theprimary beneficiaries of our nation’s social safety net are also the core supporters of the party that wants to slash it. No age group derives a bigger benefit from our welfare state than America’s elderly; but no cohort is as susceptible to the cultural paranoia and racial resentment that sustain the modern right, either. Thus, conservatives can’t shrink “big government” without retaining the allegiance of the voters who stand to lose most from the erosion of social insurance.

According to polling from Reuters/Ipsos, the percentage of college-educated white voters who say “health care” is their top issue rose from 8 percent in 2016 to 21 percent today; over that same period, the demographic went from favoring a Republican Congress by ten points, to backing a Democratic one by two.

(Oops, October is when we find out how many millions of Americans will lose their healthcare based on GOP policies. Just in time for the mid terms. One group in the GOP that's getting larger is young uneducated white men. We saw that in Charlottesville.)

Democratic, Republican voter bases are more different than ever

More than half of women, 56%, now side with the Democrats, compared with 37% for the Republicans, Pew found. (Could be the whole pu$$y thing. Believe it or not, some women don't appreciate such language.)

The president also seems to have energized the educational divide. Voters with a college degree, who now make up a third of the U.S. electorate, increasingly cast Democratic ballots.

Looking up the statistics, I did find two jokes:

What’s the difference between a Klan rally and a Republican Convention?

Answer: The dress code.

Here’s another one: How white is the Republican Party?

The Republican Party is whiter than Tilda Swinton riding a polar bear in a snowstorm to a Taylor Swift concert.

is there anything you won't turn into a racist political rant?

 

[Borillar]

I didn't agree with Sen. McCain on many things. I did appreciate his ability to work with the Democrats on occasion, to be his own man instead of just a lockstep GOP vote, and of course his long and distinguished service to this country both as a Naval aviator and as a congressman. RIP John McCain.

 

[Coyote]

Let's look at the state of our union just from this thread:

we have many lefties who are praising McCain despite the fact that 10 years ago they said a bunch of vile trash about him when he was a political obstacle, but all in an effort to go use his death to attack Trump.

we have a bunch of righties who are attacking a dead man because of year s of legitimate frustration with him but have zero tact or kindness.

Then we have the rest of us (sadly few) who are decent human beings who believe some things transcend politics

That is a bit off balance.

A lot on the left liked/respected McCain(until he chose Palin) - he's one of the very few Republicans I'd have voted for...many on the left had respect for him then and now.

Meanwhile...I fail to see how attacking his service, accusing of being a traiter, coward, and having killed a bunch of people (debunked) has to do with POLITICAL frustration.

You let your own side off lightly here.

 

[JWBooth]

Let's look at the state of our union just from this thread:

we have many lefties who are praising McCain despite the fact that 10 years ago they said a bunch of vile trash about him when he was a political obstacle, but all in an effort to go use his death to attack Trump.

we have a bunch of righties who are attacking a dead man because of year s of legitimate frustration with him but have zero tact or kindness.

Then we have the rest of us (sadly few) who are decent human beings who believe some things transcend politics

Can't speak for others, but I've said the same shit about the bloodthirsty, warmongering, Ukrainian Nazi/Al Qaeda/ISIL loving son of a ***** when he was still (unfortunately) breathing.

 

[rightwinger]

a great american has passed

Sad for his friends and family and, unless a person is an unrepentant mass murderer, I"m not going to take any pleasure in death, and I certainly do not for John McCain. But I will not miss him in the Senate either. He was an unreliable and often turncoat Senator, and I do not understand why Arizona kept electing him. Also do not appreciate what he did to Sarah Palin.

Arizona kept electing him because he looked out for the interests of Arizona over the interests of his party

Yeah he did a great job stopping illegals from crossing the border and shutting down the Cartel’s drug trade. LMFAO.

Not much a Senator can do
You must have confused him with a President or Governor

 

[rightwinger]

Dear Board,

The Passing of John McCain is a sad moment for his family, friends and those that voted for him.

I for one respected the man and will say that those that bash him now after he died, well that is your choice.

My choice is to say John McCain was a hero in his life and I hope he is resting in peace and God bless him and hos Family and Friends...

Bruce T. Laney

The greatest American General of the Revolution was Benedict Arnold.

It’s how you finish the race is what people remember.

You are right. McCain was not a good man. The Keating 5 was but one example of his corruption.

.

Then running against Obamacare only then to vote to keep it. Deep State ahole.

McCain ran on Repeal and Replace

He voted in favor of the replacement ....but when Republicans tried to repeal and replace with nothing

Even McCain is not that heartless

 

[gipper]

a great american has passed

Sad for his friends and family and, unless a person is an unrepentant mass murderer, I"m not going to take any pleasure in death, and I certainly do not for John McCain. But I will not miss him in the Senate either. He was an unreliable and often turncoat Senator, and I do not understand why Arizona kept electing him. Also do not appreciate what he did to Sarah Palin.

Arizona kept electing him because he looked out for the interests of Arizona over the interests of his party

Yeah he did a great job stopping illegals from crossing the border and shutting down the Cartel’s drug trade. LMFAO.

Not much a Senator can do
You must have confused him with a President or Governor

Yet you stated he looked out for the interests of Arizona. Did you lie like Obama?

He like your Messiah, looked after the interests of the rich and powerful.

 

[rightwinger]

Although I did not always agree with him, I am sorry for John McCain's loss, and my thoughts go out to his family and friends. I think that he always tried to do what he thought was right for the country within the parameters of what he thought this was.

To the politics types here on USMB, Sometimes he made the wrong choices. I will have to say that his selection of Sarah Palin, an entirely useless individual, as his running mate cost him dearly. I just don't know what got into him at the time. Her selection was a major blunder.

Riiight...because if he just hadn't picked Sarah Palin the left wouldn't have trashed him but instead voted for him.

We had our moments on other issues, but in most times McCain retained his dignity .Why did he pick Palin to run with him? She was/is just white-trash garbage. Major blunder.

He did it as a gesture to both the conservatives and Hillary supporters that were supporting him. It worked too. Palin helped him get the votes of people who hated him.

Too bad he was both a crappy candidate and campaigner.

Too bad he was running against Obama

He never had a chance

maybe you guys shouldn't have called him a racist or attacked him the way you did

Link

 

[rightwinger]

a great american has passed

Sad for his friends and family and, unless a person is an unrepentant mass murderer, I"m not going to take any pleasure in death, and I certainly do not for John McCain. But I will not miss him in the Senate either. He was an unreliable and often turncoat Senator, and I do not understand why Arizona kept electing him. Also do not appreciate what he did to Sarah Palin.

Arizona kept electing him because he looked out for the interests of Arizona over the interests of his party

Yeah he did a great job stopping illegals from crossing the border and shutting down the Cartel’s drug trade. LMFAO.

Not much a Senator can do
You must have confused him with a President or Governor

Yet you stated he looked out for the interests of Arizona. Did you lie like Obama?

He like your Messiah, looked after the interests of the rich and powerful.

McCain looked at the Great Wall of Trump and laughed

 

[rightwinger]

Let's look at the state of our union just from this thread:

we have many lefties who are praising McCain despite the fact that 10 years ago they said a bunch of vile trash about him when he was a political obstacle, but all in an effort to go use his death to attack Trump.

we have a bunch of righties who are attacking a dead man because of year s of legitimate frustration with him but have zero tact or kindness.

Then we have the rest of us (sadly few) who are decent human beings who believe some things transcend politics

You guys keep saying that

Show me where the left said vile things about McCain

I can show a shitload of stuff coming from the right