Matthew 12:40

[Quantrill]

If you're saying that the "celebration" of the feast was held on the day after the 1st day of Unleavened bread, which I assume to be the ceremony of the wave sheaf offering, you are wrong. The wave sheaf offering was to take place on the morrow after the weekly sabbath that fell within the seven days of unleavened bread. Through the centuries the 14th of Abib could begin on various days of the week, however, the wave sheaf offering was always done on the morrow after the weekly sabbath. Why? Because it foreshadowed the actual event of the risen Jesus being actually presented before God at his throne as the actual wave sheaf offering. "Touch me not, for I am not ascended to my father." Jesus words on the morrow after the sabbath just before he ascended to be accepted as the true first of the firstfruits of the dead. See Revelation 5 for the details.

Actually what I said is not just me saying it, as I gave reference to others.

(Lev. 23:4-5) "These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

(Lev. 23:6) "And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein." In other words, the 15th is the Sabbath.

(Lev. 23:10-11) "...ye shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest unto the priest....to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it." That is the 16th, or the third day.

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[Woodznutz]

Actually what I said is not just me saying it, as I gave reference to others.

(Lev. 23:4-5) "These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

(Lev. 23:6) "And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein." In other words, the 15th is the Sabbath.

(Lev. 23:10-11) "...ye shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest unto the priest....to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it." That is the 16th, or the third day.

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The 15th was a "high day" sabbath as distinguished from the weekly sabbath. It fell on Thursday. If Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose the evening of the weekly Sabbath he would only be entombed for one day: Friday sunset until Saturday sunset, hardly three days and three nights.

According to one source this would place Passover and the crucifixion in 27 A.D. Jesus would have been 31 years old.

 

[Quantrill]

The 15th was a "high day" sabbath as distinguished from the weekly sabbath. It fell on Thursday. If Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose the evening of the weekly Sabbath he would only be entombed for one day: Friday sunset until Saturday sunset, hardly three days and three nights.

According to one source this would place Passover and the crucifixion in 27 A.D. Jesus would have been 31 years old.

I give you Scripture, you give me nothing.

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[Woodznutz]

I give you Scripture, you give me nothing.

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We gave each other our different understanding of the same scriptures.

 

[Quantrill]

Concerning the three days and nights of Jesus in the heart of the earth:

As was shown in post #(332), Whenever Christ spoke of His Resurrection He always said on the third day. He didn't say 'three days and three nights in the heart of the earth' to describe time relating to His Resurrection. It related to His death experience.

And in those verses given in post #(332), where Christ says He will rise the third day, It always follows a description of His being taken by men and killed.

For example: (Luke 24:7) "Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again."

Also, (Matt. 20:18-19) "Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again."

The phrase 'in the heart of the earth' speaks to, not just the time Christ is in the tomb, but to also the time in which He is delivered unto man's authority to do with Him as they would. And He would be delivered at night during His time in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Mark 14:30) "And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice." (Mark 14:...Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners."

The Son of man is now 'in the heart of the earth'.

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[rstrats]

Concerning the three days and nights of Jesus in the heart of the earth:...The phrase 'in the heart of the earth' speaks to, not just the time Christ is in the tomb, but to also the time in which He is delivered unto man's authority to do with Him as they would.

So, you've finally said what you think the "heart of the earth" refers to. As such, this topic does not apply to you.

 

[Quantrill]

So, you've finally said what you think the "heart of the earth" refers to. As such, this topic does not apply to you.

Of course it does. It proves Jesus was crucified on the 6th day as Scripture states, and that the three days and nights in the heart of the earth can be accounted for.

In other words, your riddle is of no value. Because it, the heart of the earth, destroys your purpose in presenting it.

As to the Resurrection, Jesus rose the first day of the week. (Mark 16:9)

All is well.

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[hadit]

It was the preparation day for the 1st day of Unleavened bread, which was also the Passover, which occurred on Wednesday, "the midst of (the) week". This comports with a literal three days and nights in the tomb (as was Jonah entombed within the whale).

The Passover had two Sabbath days, one known as the High Sabbath. Jesus was buried on Thursday and rose on Sunday.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Passover had two Sabbath days, one known as the High Sabbath. Jesus was buried on Thursday and rose on Sunday.

I believe he was buried on Wednesday and rose on Saturday. If Jesus was buried at sunset on Thursday and was in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights, he couldn't have met Mary "very early" on Sunday morning.

 

[Woodznutz]

Concerning the three days and nights of Jesus in the heart of the earth:

As was shown in post #(332), Whenever Christ spoke of His Resurrection He always said on the third day. He didn't say 'three days and three nights in the heart of the earth' to describe time relating to His Resurrection. It related to His death experience.

And in those verses given in post #(332), where Christ says He will rise the third day, It always follows a description of His being taken by men and killed.

For example: (Luke 24:7) "Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again."

Also, (Matt. 20:18-19) "Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death, And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again."

The phrase 'in the heart of the earth' speaks to, not just the time Christ is in the tomb, but to also the time in which He is delivered unto man's authority to do with Him as they would. And He would be delivered at night during His time in the Garden of Gethsemane. (Mark 14:30) "And Jesus saith unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this day, even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice." (Mark 14:...Sleep on now, and take your rest: it is enough, the hour is come; behold, the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners."

The Son of man is now 'in the heart of the earth'.

Quantrill

Jesus wasn't "destroyed" until his death. "Destroy this temple (his body) and in three days I will raise it up". The three days began with his death and burial, not before.

 

[Quantrill]

Jesus wasn't "destroyed" until his death. "Destroy this temple (his body) and in three days I will raise it up". The three days began with his death and burial, not before.

So? Scripture is clear that Jesus would rise on the third day. And equally clear that Jesus rose on the first day of the week. (Mark 16:9) "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene...."

So, the 3rd day was Sunday. The 2nd day was Saturday. The first day was Friday.

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[hadit]

I believe he was buried on Wednesday and rose on Saturday. If Jesus was buried at sunset on Thursday and was in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights, he couldn't have met Mary "very early" on Sunday morning.

The Jews counted an afternoon and evening as a day. Thus, Thursday, Friday, Saturday in the grave, rose early on Sunday.

 

[Woodznutz]

The Jews counted an afternoon and evening as a day. Thus, Thursday, Friday, Saturday in the grave, rose early on Sunday.

I would hardly call a few minutes just before sunset a full day. I wouldn't use the "Jewish count" for anything regarding the entombment of Christ. I like God's count.

 

[Woodznutz]

(Lev. 23:10-11) "...ye shall bring a sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest unto the priest....to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it." That is the 16th, or the third day.

Quantrill

Why not the morrow after the 7th day sabbath? The weekly sabbath removes all doubt and confusion.

 

[hadit]

I would hardly call a few minutes just before sunset a full day. I wouldn't use the "Jewish count" for anything regarding the entombment of Christ. I like God's count.

I do as well, but God worked within the Jewish framework to fulfill prophecy regarding Yeshua. He used their genealogies, for one example.

 

[Woodznutz]

I do as well, but God worked within the Jewish framework to fulfill prophecy regarding Yeshua. He used their genealogies, for one example.

Maybe we should take Jesus' word that there are 24 hours in a day.

"Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him."

Jesus also referred to the Roman nighttime "watch" which consisted of four watch periods of three hours each, 12 hours of the night watch.

Jesus is using a full day, 12 hours of light and 12 hours of darkness to illustrate a spiritual principle.

"Evening and morning (darkness and light) were the ---- day". Genesis 1.

 

[Quantrill]

Why not the morrow after the 7th day sabbath? The weekly sabbath removes all doubt and confusion.

According to you it doesn't. You want to move the day of the Crucifixion and the Resurrection. When Scripture says otherwise.

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[Woodznutz]

According to you it doesn't. You want to move the day of the Crucifixion and the Resurrection. When Scripture says otherwise.

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Scripture can be made to support either view. I choose Wednesday crucifixion and Saturday resurrection.

 

[Quantrill]

Scripture can be made to support either view. I choose Wednesday crucifixion and Saturday resurrection.

You choose your view by changing the Scripture. The Scripture is clear that Jesus died on Friday, and rose on the first day of the week.

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[Woodznutz]

I do as well, but God worked within the Jewish framework to fulfill prophecy regarding Yeshua. He used their genealogies, for one example.

And from the time Jesus was twelve he was confounding the Jews with his knowledge. If he was "all things Jewish", why did they want to kill him?