Matthew 12:40

[Quantrill]

I can only repeat what I have said a number of times already. This topic is directed to anyone who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and thinks that the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb, and tries to account for the lack of a third night, which would be the case with a 6th day crucifixion/1st day resurrection, by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period.

However, in order to legitimately assert that, one would have to know of other instances where the same usage was employed, i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be. I am simply asking for actual examples to support the idea of commonality.


What did I say in that post that you're saying I'm saying that I didn't say?

I asked what your definition of "believe" is.

And I had to do that because you haven't said what your definition is.

Where did I say that was my belief?

What! Where have I even suggested that in this topic? Please be specific.

Again, no one is saying 'when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be'. Show me someone who says there could be no accounting for a daytime or night time.

I already told you post #(365).

Believe is believe. I don't need it proven. I believe it. You don't believe.

You said so in post #(373).

See post #(373) also.

The believer believes what (Matt. 12:40) says. And he believes Jesus was crucified on Friday, the 6th day, and rose on the first day of the week. He believes Jesus was three days and nights in the heart of the earth as Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the fish. It is you who contend Jesus couldn't be three days and nights in the heart of the earth.

But, as I said, neither do you believe Jonah was in the belly of the whale three days and nights. You don't believe any of it.

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You don't believe Jesus rose on the first day of the week, as clearly stated in Scripture. (Mark 15:42-16:2) Which followed the Sabbath when Christ was crucified.

Really. Who says 'heart of the earth' means dead and buried?

Quantrill

A correction: Post #(380) should read "Which followed the Sabbath, which followed Friday, when Christ was crucified."

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[rstrats]

Quantrill,
re: "Again, no one is saying 'when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be'".

And again, I never said that they were. I've asked you to quote where you think that I said that they were. So far you haven't done that.


re: "Show me someone who says there could be no accounting for a daytime or night time."

I know of no one who has said that.


re: "I already told you post #(365)."
Told me what?


re: "Believe is believe. I don't need it proven. I believe it. You don't believe."

I told you what I mean by "believe" but you still haven't said what you mean by "believe".


re: "You said so in post #(373)."

Said what in that post? To what are you referring?


re: "See post #(373) also."

Same question.


re: "The believer believes what (Matt. 12:40) says. And he believes Jesus was crucified on Friday, the 6th day, and rose on the first day of the week. He believes Jesus was three days and nights in the heart of the earth as Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the fish. It is you who contend Jesus couldn't be three days and nights in the heart of the earth."

And that is true for anyone who believes that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.


re: "But, as I said, neither do you believe Jonah was in the belly of the whale three days and nights. You don't believe any of it."

And that is irrelevant to this topic.


The bottom line is that this topic does not apply to you since you don't think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb.

 

[Quantrill]

rstrats

Well, if you didn't say it, where did I quote it from? Again see post #(365).

You just gave my definition.

Your post #(373) is answer to your last two questions in post #(375).

It is not irrelevant to this topic. If you can't prove, and you don't believe Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the whale, though we are clearly told so in (Jonah 1:17), what does it matter if the three days and nights in the heart of the earth are accounted for by any method.

The bottom line is that the believer believes (Jonah 1:17) and (Matt. 12:40). You don't.

And, 'heart of the earth' refers to more than just the tomb, but it involves the tomb.

Do you believe Jesus was three days and nights in the heart of the earth? Or do you believe Scripture is in error? What is your purpose in dancing with this riddle all over the internet on Christian forums?

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[rstrats]

Quantrill,

The only thing I can think of is that you have just been messing with me, either that or you were off sick on the day/s that reading comprehension was covered in your English class. So, any further replies will just consist of going around in circles. I say the topic doesn't apply to you and you say that it does. It'll be a sort of a Pee Wee Herman routine - "I know you are but what am I?"

Perhaps, though, someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.

 

[Quantrill]

Quantrill,

The only thing I can think of is that you have just been messing with me, either that or you were off sick on the day/s that reading comprehension was covered in your English class. So, any further replies will just consist of going around in circles. I say the topic doesn't apply to you and you say that it does. It'll be a sort of a Pee Wee Herman routine - "I know you are but what am I?"

Perhaps, though, someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.

Why do you think that? Just because I have showed the emptiness of your game? The topic does apply to me and I have answered your silly question. But now, you refuse to answer mine.

Do you believe Jesus was three days and nights in the heart of the earth? Or do you believe Scripture is in error? What is your purpose in dancing with this riddle all over the internet in Christian forums?

Quantrill

 

[rstrats]

Quantrill,

You can start a new topic to ask your questions which are not applicable to this one.

 

[Quantrill]

rstrats

You can answer my questions which are applicable to your topic. They prove the motive of your topic. And, I have showed the emptiness of your argument.

Why are atheists such cowards?

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[rstrats]

rstrats

You can answer my questions which are applicable to your topic.

I would do that, but I don't see any that are applicable.

They prove the motive of your topic.

The only motive for the topic is to see if it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of a night time could be.

And, I have showed the emptiness of your argument.

To what argument are you referring?

 

[Quantrill]

I would do that, but I don't see any that are applicable.


The only motive for the topic is to see if it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of a night time could be.

To what argument are you referring?

You dance all over the internet with this silly riddle. You create a question that cannot be answered other than to say the Scripture must be in error. But your question is in error because no one has ever said or believes that.

Thus my questions, which you don't want to answer, are applicable. Do you believe Jesus was 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth? Or, do you believe Scripture was in error.

In post #(383) you said you know of no one who said or believes there is no accounting for a day or night time. If no one has ever said or believes that, then why do you say "when no part of the daytime or no part of a night time could be"? What is your basis for asking that?

No, your motive is to cast doubt upon the Resurrection account given in the Scriptures. Which, for some reason, you think your silly riddle proves. But your refusal to answer my questions, and say your riddle doesn't apply to me, is proof your riddle and your are in error.

Your argument being doubt upon the credibility of Scripture. Your cowardice being for not answering my questions.

See again posts #(332-334) and (345-347).

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[rstrats]

You dance all over the internet with this silly riddle.

How is it a riddle and why is it silly?

You create a question that cannot be answered other than to say the Scripture must be in error.

Or that the interpretation of scripture must be in error. If someone tries to explain the lack of a third night - which would be the case with a Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection - by saying that the Messiah was employing a common figure of speech/colloquialism, they would have to know of examples to legitimatley say that it was common.

There are other explanations such as the count of days and nights began when the Messiah was arrested at night in the Garden or that the 3 hours of darkness while the Messiah was on the cross was counted as the 1st night. This topic is only concerned with the common figure of speech one

But your question is in error because no one has ever said or believes that.

Not yet in this topic. But how do you know that someone in the future might not?

Thus my questions, which you don't want to answer, are applicable. Do you believe Jesus was 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth?

I see no scriptural reason for thinking otherwise. But how is that applicable to being able to provide examples? Why would someone need to know if I believed that the Messiah was 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth?

Or, do you believe Scripture was in error.

No. I have never said that, nor would I ever.

In post #(383) you said you know of no one who said or believes there is no accounting for a day or night time. If no one has ever said or believes that, then why do you say "when no part of the daytime or no part of a night time could be"? What is your basis for asking that?

My basis is that if someone believes that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week and also believes that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, then they would have to accept the fact that only 2 actual night times could be involved with that time frame, i.e., that not even a part of a third night time could be. I am simply wondering if someone who believes in that time frame may try to explain the lack by saying that the Messiah was employing a common figure of speech or colloquialism.

No, your motive is to cast doubt upon the Resurrection account given in the Scriptures. Which, for some reason, you think your silly riddle proves.

What, absolutely not! What the heck have I written that causes you to make such a scurrilous accusation?

 

[Quantrill]

How is it a riddle and why is it silly?

Or that the interpretation of scripture must be in error. If someone tries to explain the lack of a third night - which would be the case with a Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection - by saying that the Messiah was employing a common figure of speech/colloquialism, they would have to know of examples to legitimatley say that it was common.

There are other explanations such as the count of days and nights began when the Messiah was arrested at night in the Garden or that the 3 hours of darkness while the Messiah was on the cross was counted as the 1st night. This topic is only concerned with the common figure of speech one

Not yet in this topic. But how do you know that someone in the future might not?

I see no scriptural reason for thinking otherwise. But how is that applicable to being able to provide examples? Why would someone need to know if I believed that the Messiah was 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth?

No. I have never said that, nor would I ever.


My basis is that if someone believes that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week and also believes that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb, then they would have to accept the fact that only 2 actual night times could be involved with that time frame, i.e., that not even a part of a third night time could be. I am simply wondering if someone who believes in that time frame may try to explain the lack by saying that the Messiah was employing a common figure of speech or colloquialism.

What, absolutely not! What the heck have I written that causes you to make such a scurrilous accusation?

I have already explained.

You have already said you don't know any who say or believe 'when no part of a day time or night time could be'. Thus no one is saying that...except you.

Why would anyone in the future say that? Only to create doubt upon the Scripture. Thus far that is only you. Thus your question is in error from the start.

It's your riddle. Surely you should be able to provide the reason and why that you present it. If you see no Scriptural reason that Jesus was in the heart of the earth, then why do you not believe that Jonah was 3 days and nights in the belly of the whale?

Oh, so you don't believe Scripture is in error? Was Jonah 3 days and nights in the belly of the whale?

And why shouldn't someone believe that Jesus Christ was crucified on the 6th day and risen on the 1st day? And why shouldn't someone believe that Jesus Christ was in the heart of the earth for three days and nights? That is what Scripture says. You see, you are simply trying to cast doubt upon the testimony of Scripture. And when I answer your silly objection as to what the 'heart of the earth', you piss and moan that that doesn't apply.

Everything you have written proves your motive is to doubt the testimony of Scripture concerning the Resurrection. But it has been shown that you don't know what you're talking about. And your riddle is full of holes.

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[rstrats]

You have already said you don't know any who say or believe 'when no part of a day time or night time could be'.

Any who say or believe what?

Why would anyone in the future say that?

It would depend on what "that" is.

Only to create doubt upon the Scripture. Thus far that is only you.

That is the furthest thing from my mind. I don't know what I've written that would make you say that.

It's your riddle.

You still haven't said why it's a reddle.

Surely you should be able to provide the reason and why that you present it.

I thought I had said earlier that I am simply curious to see if it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be.

If you see no Scriptural reason that Jesus was in the heart of the earth...

What!!! Where did I say that?

...then why do you not believe that Jonah was 3 days and [3] nights in the belly of the whale?

I neither believe that Jonah was 3 days in the fish, nor do I believe that he wasn't. I have no belief either way. But as far as scripture is concerned, I see nothing to suggest that he wasn't. But, at any rate, it has nothing to do with this topic.

Was Jonah 3 days and [3] nights in the belly of the whale?

I don't know. But only using the scriptural story, I don't see anything there which says that he wasn't.

And why shouldn't someone believe that Jesus Christ was crucified on the 6th day and risen on the 1st day?

You're leaving out and also believes that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb which is one of the requirements for those to whom this topic is directed.

And why shouldn't someone believe that Jesus Christ was in the heart of the earth for three days and [3] nights?

Again, this topic is directed to anyone who believes that He was, and also thinks that the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb. But that would mean that only 2 actual night times could be involved there.

That is what Scripture says. You see, you are simply trying to cast doubt upon the testimony of Scripture.

If any doubt arises, it would be an offshoot with regard to the interpretation of scripture.

And when I answer your silly objection as to what the 'heart of the earth', you piss and moan that that doesn't apply.

For the purpose of this topic, the "heart of the earth" is defined exclusively as the tomb. You think otherwise, thus the topic doesn't apply to you.

Everything you have written proves your motive is to doubt the testimony of Scripture concerning the Resurrection.

Absolutely incorrect. I've never said or even implied anything about doubting the resurrection.

 

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rstrats

Concerning post #(393)

I just told you. Post #(392)

I just told you. Post #(392)

Everything you have written says that.

It's your riddle because you have created it such as to have no other outcome than the one you want. Doubt upon the Scripture. There is no answer to your riddle other than that because you are in error in it's presentation. Your riddle is bullshit. Because no one has ever said what you say they have. It's only you...and your riddle.

Do you believe Jesus was in the heart of the earth three days and nights?

See, you don't believe Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the whale. Why arn't you attacking that? If you have no reason to believe he was or not, then neither do you have reason to believe Jesus was not in the heart of the earth for three days and nights.

And you don't see anything to believe Jesus was not three days and nights in the heart of the earth either...correct? I mean Scripture is clear.

Scripture declares Jesus was crucified on the 6th day. Declares that Jesus was raised on the first day of the week. No reason for you to doubt...correct? So what is your problem? Like I don't know.

But no one thinks that. Only you. To make up a riddle that only can be answered in your affirmative. Bullshit.

Again, the only purpose of your silly riddle is the 'off shout' of doubt. That is your purpose. You're not fooling anyone.

Well, that you are ignorant of 'the heart of the earth' means your riddle is full of shit. Your riddle fails. Your purpose for your silly riddle fails. You set the perimeters for what the 'heart of the earth means'. You set the perimeters for the only answer that you want. Yours is a loaded question. Which you pride yourself in. But is nothing but bullshit.

Really? Did Jesus Christ rise on the first day of the week, the third day?

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[rstrats]

Quantrill

To continue responding to your off-topic comments would just be going around in circles.

This topic is not about me. It is directed to anyone who believes that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week, and thinks that the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb, and tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night, which would be the case with that time frame, by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech. Since that is not you, the topic does not apply to you.

 

[Quantrill]

To continue responding to your off-topic comments would just be going around in circles.

This topic is not about me. It is directed to anyone who believes that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week, and thinks that the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb, and tries to explain the lack of a 3rd night, which would be the case with that time frame, by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech. Since that is not you, the topic does not apply to you.

It applies to me as your question is based upon the Bible. It does apply to me as you have framed a question based on what no one has said or believes And you can't/won't answer then as to why. And you won't my other questions in post #(394) either.

But I know the why. It is to discredit the Bible's testimony of the Resurrection of Christ.

Which you have failed to do.

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[rstrats]

Someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.

 

[DennisPTate]

Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a discussion with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase x days and xnights was ever used in the first century or before when it absolutely didnt include at least parts of the x days and at least parts of the x nights?

I personally was taught since I was a teenager in the seventies that the crucifixion almost certainly took place on a Wednesday, [the fourth day of the week], and that Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus was almost certainly resurrected later Sabbath - Saturday afternoon, [ or perhaps exactly at sunset IF Jesus went to hell, exactly at sunset on Wednesday]?


Wow!!!! Twenty pages of replies...... way to go through "open doors" rstrats!

Even though it took fourteen years, this is still an awesome job of mentoring your online students.

 

[Quantrill]

Someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.

Nothing new to add. No examples to add. You and your riddle have been discredited. Your repetition changes nothing.

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[rstrats]

No examples to add.

Quantrill

Except for the possibility of one, no actual examples have been provided yet.