Matthew 12:40

[hadit]

And from the time Jesus was twelve he was confounding the Jews with his knowledge. If he was "all things Jewish", why did they want to kill him?

Because He claimed to be the Messiah and to be God. That was blasphemous to them.

 

[Woodznutz]

Because He claimed to be the Messiah and to be God. That was blasphemous to them.

Why didn't they dismiss him as just another lunatic claiming to be the messiah? That they took him seriously tells a different story.

 

[hadit]

Why didn't they dismiss him as just another lunatic claiming to be the messiah? That they took him seriously tells a different story.

They had to take Him seriously. He was performing miracles they couldn't ignore.

 

[rosends]

The Passover had two Sabbath days, one known as the High Sabbath. Jesus was buried on Thursday and rose on Sunday.

That's not related to Judaism. In Judaism, there one Sabbath per week (though sometimes another day or time is called "Sabbath" but not related to Passover time)

 

[rstrats]

Of course it does. It proves Jesus was crucified on the 6th day as Scripture states, and that the three days and nights in the heart of the earth can be accounted for.

And that's an issue for a different topic. Again, this one is concerned with one issue and only one issue, i.e., the commonality of saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be.

If you want to discuss the meaning of the "heart of the earth" you need to start a new topic, and I don't mean within this one.

 

[Quantrill]

And that's an issue for a different topic. Again, this one is concerned with one issue and only one issue, i.e., the commonality of saying that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be.

If you want to discuss the meaning of the "heart of the earth" you need to start a new topic, and I don't mean within this one.

No it's not a different topic. Nobody is saying 'no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be'. Except you.

Any who believe the Bible and what Jesus said, believe the three days and three nights are accounted for in (Matt. 12:40), no matter how you or anyone else does the math.

Do you believe Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the whale? Why?

Quantrill

 

[Woodznutz]

No it's not a different topic. Nobody is saying 'no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be'. Except you.

Any who believe the Bible and what Jesus said, believe the three days and three nights are accounted for in (Matt. 12:40), no matter how you or anyone else does the math.

Do you believe Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the whale? Why?

Quantrill

The math says that just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale, Jesus would be entombed for three days and three nights, a full 72 hours.

 

[Quantrill]

The math says that just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale, Jesus would be entombed for three days and three nights, a full 72 hours.

Nothing in (Matt. 12:40) says 'entombed', or 'full 72 hours'.

Lees

 

[Woodznutz]

Nothing in (Matt. 12:40) says 'entombed', or 'full 72 hours'.

Lees

"Heart of the earth" pretty much says "entombed". Three full days and nights adds up to 72 hours. If you are going to use events leading up to the entombment as "heart of the earth" you must do the same with Jonah.

 

[Quantrill]

"Heart of the earth" pretty much says "entombed". Three full days and nights adds up to 72 hours. If you are going to use events leading up to the entombment as "heart of the earth" you must do the same with Jonah.

No. You assume heart of the earth says 'entombed'. Again, nothing says anything about a 'full 72 hours'.

Why would there be a problem with Jonah? It says three days and nights in the belly of the fish. (Jonah 1:17)

Quantrill

 

[rstrats]

No it's not a different topic.

What do you think is the issue of the topic?

Nobody is saying 'no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be'.

I never said that anyone has said that.

Do you believe Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the whale? Why?

You've asked me that before and I gave you my answer. You just didn't accept it.

 

[Quantrill]

What do you think is the issue of the topic?

I never said that anyone has said that.



You've asked me that before and I gave you my answer. You just didn't accept it.

(Matt. 12:40)

Yes you did. Post #(365)

No, you didn't answer. Do you believe Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the whale? And why?

Quantrill

 

[rstrats]

(Matt. 12:40)

No, that is not the issue of this topic.
The title of the topic was poorly conceived. By the time I realized it, it was too late to correct it. However, a number of subsequent posts have clarified its issue.

Yes you did. Post #(365)

I didn't say in post #365 that anyone here has said "no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be". You need to read the post and tell me where in it that I said that folks here have said that?

No, you didn't answer. Do you believe Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the whale? And why?

Since for some reason you won't answer my question, I can only give you my definition of "believe", i.e., "to be convinced without any doubt, that someone or something does or doesn't exist, or that a certain proposition is or isn't true". So, no, I am not convinced that there was a fish and that a man named Jonah spent three days and three night inside of it. Nor am I convinced that there wasn't. I have no positive belief one way or the other. As to why I don't have a belief, I don't know why.

But anyway, I don't see what that has to do with this topic's issue.

 

[Quantrill]

No, that is not the issue of this topic.
The title of the topic was poorly conceived. By the time I realized it, it was too late to correct it. However, a number of subsequent posts have clarified its issue.


I didn't say in post #365 that anyone here has said "no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be". You need to read the post and tell me where in it that I said that folks here have said that?

Since for some reason you won't answer my question, I can only give you my definition of "believe", i.e., "to be convinced without any doubt, that someone or something does or doesn't exist, or that a certain proposition is or isn't true". So, no, I am not convinced that there was a fish and that a man named Jonah spent three days and three night inside of it. Nor am I convinced that there wasn't. I have no positive belief one way or the other. As to why I don't have a belief, I don't know why.

But anyway, I don't see what that has to do with this topic's issue.

Ok. (Matt. 12:40) is not the issue, as you say. So go ahead and clarify the issue.

No, you need to read what you said in post #(365). Seems you are saying a lot that you now want to say, 'you didn't say'.

Just what question would that be that I didn't answer?

Oh...now you admit you didn't answer my question. And now you must define 'believe' on your terms. Either way, by your own admission and definition, you don't believe Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the whale.

So, if you don't believe Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the whale, though (Jonah 1:17) clearly says so, why would you believe that Jesus was three days and nights in the 'heart of the earth'?

You're a typical atheist. You don't believe any of it. Yet you think you have found some formula to cast doubt upon the Bible. And as usual, all you did is show your a**.

You don't have a belief in what the Scripture says, because you're not a believer. What a revelation! No need to thank me.

It has everything to do with God, Christ, the Bible, and the Believer.

Quantrill

 

[rstrats]

Ok. (Matt. 12:40) is not the issue, as you say. So go ahead and clarify the issue.

I can only repeat what I have said a number of times already. This topic is directed to anyone who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and thinks that the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb, and tries to account for the lack of a third night, which would be the case with a 6th day crucifixion/1st day resurrection, by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period.

However, in order to legitimately assert that, one would have to know of other instances where the same usage was employed, i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be. I am simply asking for actual examples to support the idea of commonality.

No, you need to read what you said in post #(365). Seems you are saying a lot that you now want to say, 'you didn't say'.

What did I say in that post that you're saying I'm saying that I didn't say?

Just what question would that be that I didn't answer?

I asked what your definition of "believe" is.

Oh...now you admit you didn't answer my question. And now you must define 'believe' on your terms. Either way, by your own admission and definition...,

And I had to do that because you haven't said what your definition is.

So, if you don't believe Jonah was three days and nights in the belly of the whale, though (Jonah 1:17) clearly says so, why would you believe that Jesus was three days and nights in the 'heart of the earth'?

Where did I say that was my belief?

You don't believe any of it. Yet you think you have found some formula to cast doubt upon the Bible.

What! Where have I even suggested that in this topic? Please be specific.

 

[Woodznutz]

No. You assume heart of the earth says 'entombed'. Again, nothing says anything about a 'full 72 hours'.

Why would there be a problem with Jonah? It says three days and nights in the belly of the fish. (Jonah 1:17)

Quantrill

Jesus said AS Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights inside the fish, so would he be entombed. There were no 'dark events' prior to the fish swallowing Jonah that can be construed as "heart of the earth" events being part of the 3 days and nights that you have presented for Jesus.

Jonah was entombed in the fish for three days and nights.
Jesus was entombed in the earth for three days and nights.

 

[Quantrill]

Jesus said AS Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights inside the fish, so would he be entombed. There were no 'dark events' prior to the fish swallowing Jonah that can be construed as "heart of the earth" events being part of the 3 days and nights that you have presented for Jesus.

Jonah was entombed in the fish for three days and nights.
Jesus was entombed in the earth for three days and nights.

Again you force the word 'entombed' upon the Scripture. Scripture does not say that.

And, neither does Scripture say Jonah was in the heart of the earth for 3 days and nights. It says Jonah was in the belly of the fish for 3 days and nights. (Jonah 1:17) "And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights."

(Matt. 12:40) "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Jonah doesn't need whatever you are calling 'dark events'. He just needs to be in the whale's belly for three days and nights. And so will Christ be three days and nights in the heart of the earth.

Do you believe Jonah was three days and nights in the whale's belly? Why? Can you prove it?

Do you believe Jesus was crucified the day before the Sabbath? (Mark 15:42-47)

Do you believe Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week? (Mark 16:2)

Quantrill

 

[Woodznutz]

Do you believe Jonah was three days and nights in the whale's belly? Why? Can you prove it?

Of course. Because that's what the story says. Can't prove it.

Do you believe Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week? (Mark 16:2)

I believe he arose late on the weekly Sabbath, three days and nights after he was entombed.

Do you believe Jesus was crucified the day before the Sabbath? (Mark 15:42-47)

I believe he was crucified on the day before the "high Sabbath" (the first day of Unleavened bread), which was the Passover. He was entombed at sunset on that Wednesday and remained in the grave for three days and nights and arose at sunset on the following weekly Sabbath.

"Heart of the earth" is a Hebrew metaphor for "dead and buried". There is no similar phrase either in Greek or Aramaic. Jesus was using the Hebrew metaphor, which would have been clearly understood as being "dead and buried".

 

[ding]

I can only repeat what I have said a number of times already. This topic is directed to anyone who thinks that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a 1st day of the week resurrection, and thinks that the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb, and tries to account for the lack of a third night, which would be the case with a 6th day crucifixion/1st day resurrection, by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period.

However, in order to legitimately assert that, one would have to know of other instances where the same usage was employed, i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be. I am simply asking for actual examples to support the idea of commonality.


What did I say in that post that you're saying I'm saying that I didn't say?

I asked what your definition of "believe" is.

And I had to do that because you haven't said what your definition is.

Where did I say that was my belief?

What! Where have I even suggested that in this topic? Please be specific.

Good thing none of this is important.

 

[Quantrill]

Of course. Because that's what the story says. Can't prove it.

I believe he arose late on the weekly Sabbath, three days and nights after he was entombed.

I believe he was crucified on the day before the "high Sabbath" (the first day of Unleavened bread), which was the Passover. He was entombed at sunset on that Wednesday and remained in the grave for three days and nights and arose at sunset on the following weekly Sabbath.

"Heart of the earth" is a Hebrew metaphor for "dead and buried". There is no similar phrase either in Greek or Aramaic. Jesus was using the Hebrew metaphor, which would have been clearly understood as being "dead and buried".

You don't believe Jesus rose on the first day of the week, as clearly stated in Scripture. (Mark 15:42-16:2) Which followed the Sabbath when Christ was crucified.

Really. Who says 'heart of the earth' means dead and buried?

Quantrill