Matthew 12:40

[Woodznutz]

What is there about it that you don't understand?

The inclusion of "parts" of either day or night in your challenge. What's the point of that?

 

[rstrats]

In Summary
The phrase "three days and three nights" is an idiomatic expression from Jewish tradition that signifies a period encompassing three distinct calendar days, regardless of the exact duration, rather than a literal 72-hour span.

I've said nothing about 72 hours.

What I have written, one way or another, in a number of posts, is that this topic is concerned with 1 issue and only 1 issue.

The Messiah said that He would spend 3 nights in the "heart of the earth".

There are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a resurrection on the 1st day of the week.

Of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the tomb" is referring to the tomb.

Of those, there may be some who try to explain the resulting lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time.

So, if it was common, there would have to be multiple examples of such usage in order to legitimately assert that it was common to forecast a daytime or a night time as being involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur.

I am simply asking to see some of those examples.

 

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I've said nothing about 72 hours.

What I have written, one way or another, in a number of posts, is that this topic is concerned with 1 issue and only 1 issue.

The Messiah said that He would spend 3 nights in the "heart of the earth".

There are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a resurrection on the 1st day of the week.

Of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the tomb" is referring to the tomb.

Of those, there may be some who try to explain the resulting lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time.

So, if it was common, there would have to be multiple examples of such usage in order to legitimately assert that it was common to forecast a daytime or a night time as being involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur.

I am simply asking to see some of those examples.

Why do you think this matters?

 

[rstrats]

The inclusion of "parts" of either day or night in your challenge. What's the point of that?

See post #302.

 

[Woodznutz]

I've said nothing about 72 hours.

What I have written, one way or another, in a number of posts, is that this topic is concerned with 1 issue and only 1 issue.

The Messiah said that He would spend 3 nights in the "heart of the earth".

There are some who believe that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with a resurrection on the 1st day of the week.

Of those, there are some who believe that the "heart of the tomb" is referring to the tomb.

Of those, there may be some who try to explain the resulting lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language of the time.

So, if it was common, there would have to be multiple examples of such usage in order to legitimately assert that it was common to forecast a daytime or a night time as being involved with an event when no part of the daytime or no part of the night time could occur.

I am simply asking to see some of those examples.

You're muddying the waters. Jesus said "an evil generation" wants a sign. He then said the only sign given them was his time in the grave. We know that generation was evil and all generations since as well as they have denied and corrupted what he plainly said.

 

[rstrats]

Why do you think this matters?

For the purpose of this topic, it doesn't. I'm simply curious.

But since you ask, it might matter.

The scribes and Pharisees asked the Messiah for a sign, seemingly as a proof of His authority. He said that the sign would be His time in the 'heart of the earth" for 3 days and 3 nights. So, if the "heart of the earth" was referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the time when His spirit left His body, and He was wrong about a third night being involved, His authority may very well have been questioned.

 

[Woodznutz]

See post #302.

Still unclear.

 

[rstrats]

Still unclear.

I don't know what more I can say. I just don't see what's unclear about it.

Let me ask you, do you believe in a Friday crucifixion?

 

[Woodznutz]

I don't know what more I can say. I just don't see what's unclear about it.

Let me ask you, do you believe in a Friday crucifixion?

I believe Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, interred at sundown, rose sundown on the following Saturday.

 

[rstrats]

I believe Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, interred at sundown, rose sundown on the following Saturday.

Then not understanding the post is irrelevant since this topic doesn't apply to you. It's directed to those who believe in a Friday crucifixion.

 

[Woodznutz]

Then not understanding the post is irrelevant since this topic doesn't apply to you. It's directed to those who believe in a Friday crucifixion.

It's all part of the same discussion isn't it?

 

[Quantrill]

For the purpose of this topic, it doesn't. I'm simply curious.

But since you ask, it might matter.

The scribes and Pharisees asked the Messiah for a sign, seemingly as a proof of His authority. He said that the sign would be His time in the 'heart of the earth" for 3 days and 3 nights. So, if the "heart of the earth" was referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the time when His spirit left His body, and He was wrong about a third night being involved, His authority may very well have been questioned.

But Jesus wasn't wrong. And now you say 'if the heart of the earth was referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the time when His spirit left His body'.

So you don't really know what Jesus meant when He said 'heart of the earth'. You simply assumed. And based on your assumption you developed this little riddle created by you that at the outset is false. Because every believer believes Jesus was 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth, as He said.

No, you're not curious. You have used this on many different forums because you believe it is your foolproof riddle to cast doubt upon the Scriptures.

Quantrill

 

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For the purpose of this topic, it doesn't. I'm simply curious.

But since you ask, it might matter.

The scribes and Pharisees asked the Messiah for a sign, seemingly as a proof of His authority. He said that the sign would be His time in the 'heart of the earth" for 3 days and 3 nights. So, if the "heart of the earth" was referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the time when His spirit left His body, and He was wrong about a third night being involved, His authority may very well have been questioned.

So the miracles he performed and rising from the dead wasn't enough of a sign of his authority?

Because it seems you are arguing about technicalities when there is no technical issue.

 

[rstrats]

It's all part of the same discussion isn't it?

Discussion isn't normally required. Either someone believes the crucifixion took place on a Friday with a Sunday resurrection and thinks the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb and tries to explain the lack of a third night by saying that the Messiah was employing common idiomatic usage of the period or they don't. If they do, in order to legitimately say that He was employing common idiomatic language, they would have to know of other instances where a daytime or a night time was said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur. I am simply looking for scriptural or non-scriptural examples from the period. The only time discussion would be necessary, is with regard to whether or not the examples were actual examples.

 

[rstrats]

But Jesus wasn't wrong.

I see no scriptural reason to think He was.

And now you say 'if the heart of the earth was referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the time when His spirit left His body'.

So you don't really know what Jesus meant when He said 'heart of the earth'.

That's right, I don't. But this topic is directed to anyone who does think that that is its meaning.

Because every believer believes Jesus was 3 days and nights in the heart of the earth, as He said.

Not the Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection ones.

No, you're not curious. You have used this on many different forums because you believe it is your foolproof riddle to cast doubt upon the Scriptures.

Absolutely not! What have I written that causes you make such a accusation?

Quantrill

 

[rstrats]

So the miracles he performed and rising from the dead wasn't enough of a sign of his authority?

I think the Pharisees wear pretty persnickety about things. They were always trying to find things to hold against Him. So, when He said He would be in the "heart of the earth" for three nights, if He wasn't, they would probably be all over Him about it.

 

[rstrats]

today is the day of Matthew

What does that mean and what does it have to do with the quote?

 

[Woodznutz]

Discussion isn't normally required. Either someone believes the crucifixion took place on a Friday with a Sunday resurrection and thinks the "heart of the earth" refers to the tomb and tries to explain the lack of a third night by saying that the Messiah was employing common idiomatic usage of the period or they don't. If they do, in order to legitimately say that He was employing common idiomatic language, they would have to know of other instances where a daytime or a night time was said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could occur. I am simply looking for scriptural or non-scriptural examples from the period. The only time discussion would be necessary, is with regard to whether or not the examples were actual examples.

Gotcha, but it won't matter to those who don't believe what Jesus said. Recall that there was no precedent for the translators of the KJV to inject "Easter" into the New Testament text, and billions today still celebrate it as if it were holy writ.

 

[Quantrill]

I see no scriptural reason to think He was.

That's right, I don't. But this topic is directed to anyone who does think that that is its meaning.

Not the Friday crucifixion/Sunday resurrection ones.

Absolutely not! What have I written that causes you make such a accusation?

Not true. You question Jesus 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth as true.

Not true. Your focus appears to be on Friday as the Crucifixion day and upon who believes that. Which you disagree with because of your assumption that the heart of the earth speaks to the time Jesus laid in the tomb.

Yes, the Friday Crucifixion/Sunday resurrection ones. We who believe Christ was crucified on Friday believe Christ was three days and nights in the heart of the earth.

Do you believe Jonah was 3 days and nights in the belly of the whale. Can you account for it?

Quantrill

 

[Woodznutz]

Not true. You question Jesus 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth as true.

Not true. Your focus appears to be on Friday as the Crucifixion day and upon who believes that. Which you disagree with because of your assumption that the heart of the earth speaks to the time Jesus laid in the tomb.

Yes, the Friday Crucifixion/Sunday resurrection ones. We who believe Christ was crucified on Friday believe Christ was three days and nights in the heart of the earth.

Do you believe Jonah was 3 days and nights in the belly of the whale. Can you account for it?

Quantrill

So, you don't believe that Jonah was in the whale's belly for 3 days and 3 nights? If not, where was he?