Matthew 12:40

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So, you don't believe that Jonah was in the whale's belly for 3 days and 3 nights? If not, where was he?

Of course I believe Jonah was 3 days and nights in the whale's belly. Where did I imply differently?

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[Woodznutz]

Of course I believe Jonah was 3 days and nights in the whale's belly. Where did I imply differently?

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If you believe in a Friday to Sunday burial, you have to believe that Jonah was only in the whale's belly for the same amount of time.

 

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If you believe in a Friday to Sunday burial, you have to believe that Jonah was only in the whale's belly for the same amount of time.

I believe Jonah was in the whale's belly 3 days and 3 nights.

I believe Jesus was in the heart of the earth 3 days and 3 nights.

I believe Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose the first day of the week.

(Matt. 27:62) "Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate"

(Mark 15:42) "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath"

(Luke 23:52-54) "This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus; And he took it down, and wrapped in in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre...And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

(John 19:14) "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King"

(John 19:31) "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day..."

The preparation was Friday, the 6th day. The Sabbath was Saturday the 7th day. The first day of the week was Sunday the 8th day, or first day of the week.

Jesus was crucified on the preparation day, Friday.

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[Woodznutz]

I believe Jonah was in the whale's belly 3 days and 3 nights.

I believe Jesus was in the heart of the earth 3 days and 3 nights.

I believe Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose the first day of the week.

(Matt. 27:62) "Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate"

(Mark 15:42) "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath"

(Luke 23:52-54) "This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus; And he took it down, and wrapped in in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre...And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

(John 19:14) "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King"

(John 19:31) "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day..."

The preparation was Friday, the 6th day. The Sabbath was Saturday the 7th day. The first day of the week was Sunday the 8th day, or first day of the week.

Jesus was crucified on the preparation day, Friday.

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It was the preparation day for the 1st day of Unleavened bread, which was also the Passover, which occurred on Wednesday, "the midst of (the) week". This comports with a literal three days and nights in the tomb (as was Jonah entombed within the whale).

 

[rstrats]

Not true. You question Jesus 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth as true.

I don't know where you're getting that from.

Your focus appears to be on Friday as the Crucifixion day and upon who believes that.

Yes, that is one of the requirements for those to whom this topic is directed.

Which you disagree with because of your assumption that the heart of the earth speaks to the time Jesus laid in the tomb.

What is your point?

Yes, the Friday Crucifixion/Sunday resurrection ones. We who believe Christ was crucified on Friday believe Christ was three days and nights in the heart of the earth.

But you didn't say what you think the "heart of the earth" is referring to.

Do you believe Jonah was 3 days and nights in the belly of the whale.

I see no scriptural reason for thinking otherwise.

Can you account for it?

No.

 

[Woodznutz]

It should be noted that the story of Jonah was not written as an allegory or metaphor, but as an actual event, thus a literal three days and nights in the belly of the whale/fish.

 

[Quantrill]

It was the preparation day for the 1st day of Unleavened bread, which was also the Passover, which occurred on Wednesday, "the midst of (the) week". This comports with a literal three days and nights in the tomb (as was Jonah entombed within the whale).

It was Friday the day before the Sabbath. Scripture is clear. See again the verses I gave. Plus, (Mark 16;9) "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week...."

Crucified on Friday and raised on the first day of the week.

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[Quantrill]

I don't know where you're getting that from.

Yes, that is one of the requirements for those to whom this topic is directed.

What is your point?

But you didn't say what you think the "heart of the earth" is referring to.

I see no scriptural reason for thinking otherwise.

No.

From you.

And Jesus was crucified on Friday.

I just made it. Go back and reread.

And neither have you? All you have done thus far is find fault. Provide your so-called 'correct' interpretation, if you have one. Do you?

Seeing 'no scriptural reason to think otherwise' is not believing it. I asked you if you believed it. Please answer, simple question.

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It should be noted that the story of Jonah was not written as an allegory or metaphor, but as an actual event, thus a literal three days and nights in the belly of the whale/fish.

Yes I note that, and believe that.

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[Woodznutz]

It was Friday the day before the Sabbath. Scripture is clear. See again the verses I gave. Plus, (Mark 16;9) "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week...."

Crucified on Friday and raised on the first day of the week.

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Blame the translators for the poor sentence construction which wrongly suggests that Jesus arose on the first day of the week.

Mark 16:9 (KJV) states: "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils."

A better rendering would be.

"Now when Jesus was risen he appeared first to Mary Magdalene early the first day of the week, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

 

[Quantrill]

Blame the translators for the poor sentence construction which wrongly suggests that Jesus arose on the first day of the week.

Mark 16:9 (KJV) states: "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils."

A better rendering would be.

"Now when Jesus was risen he appeared first to Mary Magdalene early the first day of the week, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

No, you and rstrats can blame the translators if you want to. You neglect the verses in my post #(323). Why? Will you blame the translators there also?

You see...you not only doubt that Christ was crucified on Friday, but you must doubt that Christ rose on the 1st day of the week. And Scripture is clear on both, to which you and rstrats disagree.

That's fine. Yall don't believe the Scripture. I do.

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[Quantrill]

Some things to consider concerning (Matt. 12:40):

This is the only place the phrase 'three days and three nights' is used in Scripture to describe Jesus death experience. Whenever the timing of Christ's Resurrection is spoken of, it is always called on the third day.

(Matt. 16:21) "From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day."

(Matt. 20:19) "And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again."

(Mark 9:31) "For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day."

(Mark 10:33-34) "...and the Sn of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles: And they shall mock him, and shall scourge him, and shall spit upon him, and shall kill him: and the third day he shall rise again."

(Luke 24:6-7) "He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee, Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again."

(John 2:19-22) "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered...."

(Acts 10:39-40) "And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;"

(1 Cor. 15:4) "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures."

But here in (Matt. 12:40) no such language is used. The timing of the resurrection is not in view here. The length of time that Jesus is in the 'heart of the earth' is what is in view here. (Matt. 12:40) "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

More to consider later.

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[Woodznutz]

(1 Cor. 15:4) "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the Scriptures."



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According to what scriptures?

There are many allusions suggesting a third day resurrection in the Old Testament, but the direct comparison to Jonah is explicit; three days and three nights in the grave. Not a day and a half. Jesus was raised when a full three days and three nights had been completed. That puts the crucifixion back to the "midst of (his) week", Wednesday, which was the day of Passover in 31 A.D. As the true Passover sacrifice Jesus would have been killed on that day.

 

[Quantrill]

Something else which comes into play with (Matt. 12:40) is (Luke 11:29-30):

(Luke 11:29-30) "And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation."

Note here in (Luke) that the phrase, 'three days and nights in the heart of the earth' is not mentioned. But we are told that Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites.

And, in (Matt. 12) we are not told that Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, but we are told, (Matt. 12:41) "The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgement with this generation, and shall condemn it; because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here."

In (Matt. 12) Jesus is addressing the Jews, the Pharisees and scribes. Thus the 'three days and nights in the heart of the earth' is specifically a sign to them. In (Luke 11) Jesus is addressing the people, and states Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites. But how was Jonah a sign to the Ninevites. For we are not told they knew anything of what happened with Jonah and the whale? And as said, that was a sign to the Jews.

Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites in that here was a Jew, a prophet from Israel, to whom alone was salvation, coming to a Gentile nation that was an enemy of Israel, and preaching to them the God of Israel. Which is something Jonah hated doing and tried to run away from it. But he was forced to go to Nineveh and give the message of God to them. And he did and Nineveh repented and was saved from the destruction God promised. In other words, the 3 days and nights in the belly of the whale played no role in Nineveh. The preaching to them the Gospel did.

But with the Jews, the 3 days and nights in the belly of the whale was the sign given to them. And what is that sign, God is dead to them. Jesus came first preaching to the Jews the Kingdom, and He their King. They rejected that and killed Him. And He is now dead to them. And as a result God has turned to the Gentiles. The Resurrection plays no role as a sign to the Jews. Christ in the heart of the earth for 3 days and nights does.

More to consider later.

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[Woodznutz]

Something else which comes into play with (Matt. 12:40) is (Luke 11:29-30):

(Luke 11:29-30) "And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation."

Note here in (Luke) that the phrase, 'three days and nights in the heart of the earth' is not mentioned. But we are told that Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites.

And, in (Matt. 12) we are not told that Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, but we are told, (Matt. 12:41) "The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgement with this generation, and shall condemn it; because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here."

In (Matt. 12) Jesus is addressing the Jews, the Pharisees and scribes. Thus the 'three days and nights in the heart of the earth' is specifically a sign to them. In (Luke 11) Jesus is addressing the people, and states Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites. But how was Jonah a sign to the Ninevites. For we are not told they knew anything of what happened with Jonah and the whale? And as said, that was a sign to the Jews.

Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites in that here was a Jew, a prophet from Israel, to whom alone was salvation, coming to a Gentile nation that was an enemy of Israel, and preaching to them the God of Israel. Which is something Jonah hated doing and tried to run away from it. But he was forced to go to Nineveh and give the message of God to them. And he did and Nineveh repented and was saved from the destruction God promised. In other words, the 3 days and nights in the belly of the whale played no role in Nineveh. The preaching to them the Gospel did.

But with the Jews, the 3 days and nights in the belly of the whale was the sign given to them. And what is that sign, God is dead to them. Jesus came first preaching to the Jews the Kingdom, and He their King. They rejected that and killed Him. And He is now dead to them. And as a result God has turned to the Gentiles. The Resurrection plays no role as a sign to the Jews. Christ in the heart of the earth for 3 days and nights does.

More to consider later.

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You seem to be supporting the three days and three nights time frame.

 

[Quantrill]

You seem to be supporting the three days and three nights time frame.

Of course I do. It says three days and 3 nights. As I have said, Scripture also says, Christ was crucified on Friday and rose on the first day of the week.

You have resorted to rearranging the Scripture to make the Crucifixion on Wednesday which also changes the first day of the week as the day of the Resurrection. Which I oppose.

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According to what scriptures?

There are many allusions suggesting a third day resurrection in the Old Testament, but the direct comparison to Jonah is explicit; three days and three nights in the grave. Not a day and a half. Jesus was raised when a full three days and three nights had been completed. That puts the crucifixion back to the "midst of (his) week", Wednesday, which was the day of Passover in 31 A.D. As the true Passover sacrifice Jesus would have been killed on that day.

According to this Scripture. (Lev. 23:11) Concerning the Feast of First Fruits which speaks to the Resurrection. It was to be done on 'the morrow after the Sabbath'. "The feast of firstfruits was the third day from Passover. Christ rose as the firstfruits of resurrection on the third day from his death." (Thus Shalt Thou Serve, C.W. Slemming, Christian Literature Crusade, 1974, p.103-104)

"The Passover took place on the 14th day of the month, the Feast of Unleavened Bread on the next day, which was the Sabbath, and the following day, which was the morrow after the Sabbath, the Feast of First Fruits was to be celebrated....The Feast of First-Fruits was a type and foreshadowing of the Resurrection of Christ." (Dispensational Truth, Clarence Larkin, Clarence Larkin Est., Forty First Printing, p. 159)

Thus Paul could say Jesus was raised the third day according to the Scriptures.

The three days and nights of (Matt. 12) speak to Christ's death experience. Not the Resurrection. Nothing is said about the Resurrection.

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[Foxfyre]

tipofthespear,

re: "May I ask why it matters?"

When asked by the scribes and Pharisees for a sign of his authority, the Messiah said that the only sign would be His entombment for three days AND three nights. If He didn't spend that time in the tomb, then He would not qualify as the Messiah. So why do you think that it is not important as to the length of time?

Do you know of any writing that was asked for in the OP?

It is not important that three days and nights be 72 hours. Or at least in my opinion it should not be important. It is important that on the third day--whether a day means a full 24 hours or a few hours, what difference does it make?--Jesus rose from the dead.

The minute details vary from scriptural to scriptural account, but the only really important thing is that death was overcome, fulfillment of prophecy and a real life demonstration of eternal life that all are offered.

 

[Woodznutz]

According to this Scripture. (Lev. 23:11) Concerning the Feast of First Fruits which speaks to the Resurrection. It was to be done on 'the morrow after the Sabbath'. "The feast of firstfruits was the third day from Passover. Christ rose as the firstfruits of resurrection on the third day from his death." (Thus Shalt Thou Serve, C.W. Slemming, Christian Literature Crusade, 1974, p.103-104)

"The Passover took place on the 14th day of the month, the Feast of Unleavened Bread on the next day, which was the Sabbath, and the following day, which was the morrow after the Sabbath, the Feast of First Fruits was to be celebrated....The Feast of First-Fruits was a type and foreshadowing of the Resurrection of Christ." (Dispensational Truth, Clarence Larkin, Clarence Larkin Est., Forty First Printing, p. 159)

Thus Paul could say Jesus was raised the third day according to the Scriptures.

The three days and nights of (Matt. 12) speak to Christ's death experience. Not the Resurrection. Nothing is said about the Resurrection.

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If you're saying that the "celebration" of the feast was held on the day after the 1st day of Unleavened bread, which I assume to be the ceremony of the wave sheaf offering, you are wrong. The wave sheaf offering was to take place on the morrow after the weekly sabbath that fell within the seven days of unleavened bread. Through the centuries the 14th of Abib could begin on various days of the week, however, the wave sheaf offering was always done on the morrow after the weekly sabbath. Why? Because it foreshadowed the actual event of the risen Jesus being actually presented before God at his throne as the actual wave sheaf offering. "Touch me not, for I am not ascended to my father." Jesus words on the morrow after the sabbath just before he ascended to be accepted as the true first of the firstfruits of the dead. See Revelation 5 for the details.

 

[rstrats]

From you.

Please quote my comment where I questioned Jesus 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth as being true.

And Jesus was crucified on Friday.

Yes, you've already said that.

I just made it. Go back and reread.

If you're replying to my question, "What is your point" regarding your comment, "Which you disagree with because of your assumption that the heart of the earth speaks to the time Jesus laid in the tomb", I still don't see what it is.

And neither have you?

If that is a reply to my comment, "But you didn't say what you think the 'heart of the earth' is referring to" then what I think it is, is irrelative to this topic.

Provide your so-called 'correct' interpretation, if you have one. Do you?

If that is a reply to my comment, "But you didn't say what you think the 'heart of the earth' is referring to" then what I think it is, is irrelative to this topic.

Seeing 'no scriptural reason to think otherwise' is not believing it. I asked you if you believed it. Please answer, simple question.

Its not a simple question, depending on your definition of believe.

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