Zone1 Mark of the Beast?

[The Irish Ram]

Moses body was buried. His soul went to Abraham's Bosom. If Moses is resting in the grave, who was with Jesus at the Transfiguration?

Does the Marriage Feast of Christ take place on earth? Where does our BEMA Seat take place?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

If Moses is resting in the grave, who was with Jesus at the Transfiguration

Some teach God exists outside of time. I believe this. Do you?

The apostles witnessed when Jesus (the Word) spoke to Elijah and Moses IN THE PAST. The apostles were blessed to look into the past and witness GOD speaking with these men. This is the concept I believe

The one who was born "Jesus" IS the God of the OT. It was not the Father. Jesus said He came to REVEAL the Father.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

peel back that tribble on donny's head & you'll shirley find 666 embedded in his scalp.

THIS is your contribution???You should be embarrassed

 

[The Irish Ram]

Some teach God exists outside of time. I believe this. Do you?

The apostles witnessed when Jesus (the Word) spoke to Elijah and Moses IN THE PAST. The apostles were blessed to look into the past and witness GOD speaking with these men. This is the concept I believe

The one who was born "Jesus" IS the God of the OT. It was not the Father. Jesus said He came to REVEAL the Father.

Absolutely. God set our linear time to a 24 hr. day. Our sun rises, and sets. But God's on eternal time, which He actually put a desire for in our hearts, but we can't fathom it until we are in it.
Time is a dimension. And God can move backward and forward through dimensions. That's why He can tell us the future. He's been there, in that dimension.

But if Jesus was showing the disciples the past, did Jesus talk to both Moses and Elijah in the past, at the same time? Moses died long before there was an Elijah. And if Jesus was letting the disciples watch the past, why did He light up while the 4 of them sat there together in the present?
Jesus went to a dimension where His body wasn't tethered to gravity. And the disciples saw the three men hovering together at the same time. We aren't told if the disciples could hear the discussion, but they heard what God had to say. And that is the part that convinces me that it never happened in the OT past:

The 1st. time God said it, was when John baptized Jesus. And the second time was when Moses, Elijah and Christ were together before Christ was about to be turned over to the Romans.
God said this:

Matthew 17:5, Mark 9:7, Luke 9:35: "While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, 'This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!'"

I don't mean to be argumentative, but, that never happened in the past. Jesus never said it, and God never said it about anyone but His beloved Son. Said both in the NT. Do you think maybe it happened the way the disciples said it did?

 

[The Irish Ram]

John 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

The "dead in Christ" don't arise until he returns.

1 Thessalonians 4:16
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Where are Enoch and Elijah then? No man has ever gone up to heaven and returned down here to earth.

 

[Woodznutz]

Where are Enoch and Elijah then? No man has ever gone up to heaven and returned down here to earth.

The Bible doesn't say.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I agree with the teaching that the Mark if the Beast is the acceptance of Sunday as the Sabbath

I've heard this, I'm not sure, because the mark is a choice, and permanent. Many people were raised in Sunday church not by their own choice, and continue with Sunday church because it's what they've always known.

Also, one can change what day they go to church, so it's not permanent.

Also, going to church on Sunday or any other day, has no affect on being able to buy or sell

 

[ThisIsMe]

Hers the thing...do we even need to worry about this right now? Look at all tbe discussion around this...and so many different opinions. What this means is...nobody knows...but, perhaps there will come a day when we WILL know....for certain, and at that point we can make a choice...whether or not to accept the mark?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Hers the thing...do we even need to worry about this right now? Look at all tbe discussion around this...and so many different opinions. What this means is...nobody knows...but, perhaps there will come a day when we WILL know....for certain, and at that point we can make a choice...whether or not to accept the mark?

If you don't know what the Mark is, you cannot make a choice.

I will tell you what it is: Sabbath or Sunday. There will be a price

 

[The Irish Ram]

Making a choice has nothing to do with buying or selling. Saturday or Sunday doesn't matter to God. If you never entered a church, but had your daily devotion at home, or on a mountain top, God will hear you. If this is about the Jewish Sabbath, we aren't under the Law.
Carl, what price do you think there is to pay if you praise God on this day or that? Did Jesus ever warn us about which day we should go to church on? If He said to only worship Him on Saturday, or else, what did He say the consequences would be if we congregated on the wrong day?

 

[ThisIsMe]

Hers the thing...do we even need to worry about this right now? Look at all tbe discussion around this...and so many different opinions. What this means is...nobody knows...but, perhaps there will come a day when we WILL know....for certain, and at that point we can make a choice...whether or not to accept the mark

If you don't know what the Mark is, you cannot make a choice.

I will tell you what it is: Sabbath or Sunday. There will be a price

I do think any of us know what the mark is.

You say it's Sunday worship...ok..but how does that tie into the name of a man and a number? How does that have to do with buying or selling?

If the mark is permanent then anyone who was raised in the Christian church was from a child would have been raised believing that Sunday worship was right.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

If you're a Sabbath keeping Christian you will not be able to buy food, or rent/purchase a home if you're caught "judaizing on the Sabbath". Sunday keeping will be mandatory.

But During The Day of the Lord, you will receive God's plagues on the world if you don't have GOD'S Mark (the Sabbath).

Satan's Mark will let you live IN THE FLESH a little while. But those who have GOD'S MARK will have eternity

 

[Woodznutz]

I've heard this, I'm not sure, because the mark is a choice, and permanent. Many people were raised in Sunday church not by their own choice, and continue with Sunday church because it's what they've always known.

Also, one can change what day they go to church, so it's not permanent.

Also, going to church on Sunday or any other day, has no affect on being able to buy or sell

One can "go to meeting" on Sunday and rest on the Sabbath both. Actually, that's a great arrangement. In fact, Paul did just this.

"Acts 20:7 reads: “And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow, and continued his speech until midnight."

 

[Polishprince]

No. Actually, the Bible is crystal clear on this.

The Mark of the Beast is the name "666" or more accurately, "DCLXVI" in roman numbers and will be tattooed on people's foreheads in the last days.

 

[Woodznutz]

Some believe the "mark" of the beast will be the Deutch MARK, the currency of the revived end time Roman Empire.

 

[Woodznutz]

Some teach God exists outside of time. I believe this. Do you?

The apostles witnessed when Jesus (the Word) spoke to Elijah and Moses IN THE PAST. The apostles were blessed to look into the past and witness GOD speaking with these men. This is the concept I believe

The one who was born "Jesus" IS the God of the OT. It was not the Father. Jesus said He came to REVEAL the Father.

Maybe God manifested Moses and Elijah to demonstrate the importance of "the law and the prophets" to the disciples.

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Matthew 5:17​

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.​

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Matthew 7:12​

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Matthew 11:13
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.

Matthew 22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Luke 24:44
And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

John 1:45
Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, theson of Joseph.

Acts 13:15
And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for thepeople, say on.

Acts 24:14
But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Acts 28:23
And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

 

[playtime]

THIS is your contribution???You should be embarrassed

it's my opinion & i stand by it.

 

[playtime]

THIS is your contribution???You should be embarrassed

YOU should be embarrassed by ^^^ THAT ^^^.

 

[The Irish Ram]

If you're a Sabbath keeping Christian you will not be able to buy food, or rent/purchase a home if you're caught "judaizing on the Sabbath". Sunday keeping will be mandatory.

But During The Day of the Lord, you will receive God's plagues on the world if you don't have GOD'S Mark (the Sabbath).

Satan's Mark will let you live IN THE FLESH a little while. But those who have GOD'S MARK will have eternity

Point me to the scripture that says no man can buy or sell, if you are caught acting like a Jew, but the rest of us can.
You have added to the scripture, and changed the meaning by adding, those caught Judaizing on the Sabbath. Remove your addition and we are back to:

Revelation 13:17​

that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The Bible says that those raptured have a coronation called the Bema Seat of Christ to reward us with crowns and prepares us, the bride, for marriage. Then the marriage and the marriage dinner takes place, still in Heaven. God doesn't drag Christ's sinless Bride through the mud. We are removed from God's wrath. And we return with Jesus to stop man from destroying all life. There is no other time in history that Christ has had to return to stop mankind from wiping out all life on earth. The Romans couldn't do it. The Babylonians couldn't do it. Egypt couldn't do it.
But we can, now.

The White Throne Judgment takes place on earth after the 1,000-year reign of Christ here on earth. It is for unbelievers, Satan and his followers. The Bema Seat takes place in Heaven, where those who are already made sinless by the blood of the Lamb, are graded on their works for Christ. Our works, not our sin, <( because God doesn't remember our sins), but what we did and did not do for Christ is tested. The good works that survive, determines which of the 7 crowns we deserve.
For example. If I took my coat off and wrapped it around a beggar, then never said a word about it to anyone, that work would survive. If I did it and then went to work and bragged about it, then I have received all the applause I am going to get for that act of compassion. I did it to puff up my ego instead of doing it for Christ's sake.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Correct, we chose him in Nov. to run our country. Just like you chose OBiden to screw us over. You should be embarrassed.