Zone1 Mark of the Beast?

[The Irish Ram]

Carl in Mecca who said the following?

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against…

You claim to be a Christian yet it appears you reside in Mecca, which is kind of weird.

Now you support the genocide in Gaza. Do you think God supports you?

I'm not Carl, but I can answer that. And the answer is Yes. Will God protect Israel? Yes, indeed.
Here is an example, of God, the warrior:
Judges 15:14-16
As Samson approached Lehi, the Philistines came toward him shouting. The Spirit of the Lord came powerfully upon him. The ropes on his arms became like charred flax, and the bindings dropped from his hands. Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand men.

As for those who attack Israel:
Psalm 121:4 says, "Behold, he who keeps Israel will neither slumber nor sleep
Isaiah 54:17 tells us, “No weapon formed against you shall prosper.”
Zech.12:8-9 On that day the LORD will defend the people of Jerusalem, so that the weakest among them will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD going before them. So on that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
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That includes Hamas...

 

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There is no hell and there's nobody going there.

Get serious! It's all allegorical bullsh-t!

And there are more allegorical interpretations of it than Americans have mass shootings.

ALLEGORY Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster​

Allegory is a more or less symbolic fictional narrative that conveys a secondary meaning (or meanings) not explicitly set forth in the literal narrative. Parables, myths, and fables are all …

Hell is being eternally separated from God. Hell is not a place. Hell is a state of being.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Hell is being eternally separated from God. Hell is not a place. Hell is a state of being.

Hell is where the rich man is to this day. Do you just throw out the parts of the Bible that you don't like? Jesus tells us more about Hell than Heaven. Do you just disregard that? If there was no Hell, is there no Heaven? Was there also no Paradise/Abraham's Bosom? In that case, where did the angels take the beggar? And where did Christ take the thief on the cross next to Him? Did Christ lie about where He was going for 3 days after He died on the cross? Did He not address those in Hell in those 3 days?
And according to Nicodemus, Hell is not only a location, but the name of the demon who presides over it...

 

[Woodznutz]

Hell is where the rich man is to this day. Do you just throw out the parts of the Bible that you don't like? Jesus tells us more about Hell than Heaven. Do you just disregard that? If there was no Hell, is there no Heaven? Was there also no Paradise/Abraham's Bosom? In that case, where did the angels take the beggar? And where did Christ take the thief on the cross next to Him? Did Christ lie about where He was going for 3 days after He died on the cross? Did He not address those in Hell in those 3 days?

All graves (hell) are temporary resting places until the resurrection and final Judgment.

 

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Hell is where the rich man is to this day. Do you just throw out the parts of the Bible that you don't like? Jesus tells us more about Hell than Heaven. Do you just disregard that? If there was no Hell, is there no Heaven? Was there also no Paradise/Abraham's Bosom? In that case, where did the angels take the beggar? And where did Christ take the thief on the cross next to Him? Did Christ lie about where He was going for 3 days after He died on the cross? Did He not address those in Hell in those 3 days?
And according to Nicodemus, Hell is not only a location, but the name of the demon who presides over it...

I think that’s what you do.

 

[The Irish Ram]

All graves (hell) are temporary resting places until the resurrection and final Judgment.

Hell is not a grave. According to Luke, it is a place, and it is temporary. And is dealt with at The White Throne Judgment, which takes place at the end of the Millennial Reign of Christ, when Hell is dispatched to the Lake of Fire.
Rev. 20:14 Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire.

We, those saints who belong to Christ, are here with Him on earth during the 1000-year reign. We rule and reign with Him.
Gal 4:7 So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, God has made you also an heir.
Rev 2:25-26 Only hold on to what you have until I come. To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations
Rev 5:9-10 And they *sang a new song, saying, "Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation. "You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God; and they will reign upon the earth."

Rev 20:4 Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; < during the Tribulation. and they came to life <reunited with their bodies and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Note that those souls that were beheaded during the Trib are in Heaven. They are the ones under the altar, calling for justice. Clay bodies still on earth, souls in Heaven. Paul was right. Absent from the body, present with the Lord.

Revelation 6:9-11, When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
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Those are the souls that missed the rapture, and came to Christ during the Tribulation. They will be beheaded.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I think that’s what you do.

What parts do you think I have abandoned?
You were 1/2 right. Hell is a separation from God. But if Hell doesn't actually exist, then where did Christ go for 3 days when He addressed those in hell? And if you believe there is no Hell, why would you believe there is a Heaven?
And where is the rich man if not exactly where the Bible says he is?

Christ even gave us the location:

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.​

 

[The Irish Ram]

All graves (hell) are temporary resting places until the resurrection and final Judgment.

Why weren't the beheaded souls in their graves until the final judgment occurs? What are they doing in Heaven?
Why isn't the rich man resting patiently until the resurrection and judgment? And do you thirst while you are resting in the grave? Because that guy wasn't resting. He begged for just one drop.
Read what Luke told us about Hell, and then disprove it for me...

 

[Woodznutz]

Why weren't the beheaded souls in their graves until the final judgment occurs? What are they doing in Heaven?
Why isn't the rich man resting patiently until the resurrection and judgment? And do you thirst while you are resting in the grave? Because that guy wasn't resting. He begged for just one drop.
Read what Luke told us about Hell, and then disprove it for me...

Allegory.

 

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What parts do you think I have abandoned?
You were 1/2 right. Hell is a separation from God. But if Hell doesn't actually exist, then where did Christ go for 3 days when He addressed those in hell? And if you believe there is no Hell, why would you believe there is a Heaven?
And where is the rich man if not exactly where the Bible says he is?

Christ even gave us the location:

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.​

The parts that taught how to act like a Christian.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Allegory.

Then is Heaven an allegory?

 

[The Irish Ram]

The parts that taught how to act like a Christian.

I call no one pieces of shit. I don't attack people's character. I don't degrade Catholics. I don't get together with other posters to insult individuals because our beliefs differ. I don't send people to hell over doctrine. I rarely voice my opinion, and when I do I label it as my opinion.
What I do do here is ask questions about what is posted, regardless of the poster, and I quote scripture that supports what's posted or disproves it.

Can you say the same?

 

[Woodznutz]

Then is Heaven an allegory?

Lots of literary devices in scripture. How the narratives are structured is key. For example, the flood story is structured as a real historical event.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Lots of literary devices in scripture. How the narratives are structured is key. For example, the flood story is structured as a real historical event.

All literary devices can be found in the Bible, including literal. Do you believe what the Bible tells us about Noah and the flood?
If Hell is an allegory, then does the same apply to Heaven?

 

[Woodznutz]

All literary devices can be found in the Bible, including literal. Do you believe what the Bible tells us about Noah and the flood?
If Hell is an allegory, then does the same apply to Heaven?

Hell in most passages means physical death in the grave. However, it is also a type of eternal death. Lazarus and the rich man is a parable, not an actual event.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Hell in most passages means physical death in the grave. However, it is also a type of eternal death. Lazarus and the rich man is a parable, not an actual event.

All graves (hell) are temporary resting places until the resurrection and final Judgment

If it is a parable, and the grave is a place of rest, considering the parable's torment that the rich man is experiencing in hell (while resting in the grave), is that really resting? And if it is a place of eternal torment as you suggest, then why the need for a second death when the first death takes care of the issue forever? Is the Lake of Fire also a parable then? And is it also a parable when Jesus said he and the thief were going to Paradise, instead of saying he was going to rest in the tomb for a few days?

Luke called Abraham's Bosom a place of blessedness. Those souls were there waiting for Christ to pay for their sins, and redeem them before they could enter Heaven. If Jesus told the thief that they would be in Paradise that very day, and we know they didn't enter Heaven, where were they for 3 days? Who were the formally dead that Matthew said returned with Jesus?
The Bible describes 2 deaths. If hell is eternal, why have us die twice? What does double jeopardy have to do with a just judge?
And if Hell is a parable, is Heaven also a parable? What is the distinction you make between the two?

 

[Woodznutz]

If it is a parable, and the grave is a place of rest, considering the parable's torment that the rich man is experiencing in hell (while resting in the grave), is that really resting? And if it is a place of eternal torment as you suggest, then why the need for a second death when the first death takes care of the issue forever? Is the Lake of Fire also a parable then? And is it also a parable when Jesus said he and the thief were going to Paradise, instead of saying he was going to rest in the tomb for a few days?

Luke called Abraham's Bosom a place of blessedness. Those souls were there waiting for Christ to pay for their sins, and redeem them before they could enter Heaven. If Jesus told the thief that they would be in Paradise that very day, and we know they didn't enter Heaven, where were they for 3 days? Who were the formally dead that Matthew said returned with Jesus?
The Bible describes 2 deaths. If hell is eternal, why have us die twice? What does double jeopardy have to do with a just judge?
And if Hell is a parable, is Heaven also a parable? What is the distinction you make between the two?

Hell is the grave, not a place of eternal torment. It's where the dead 'sleep' awaiting the resurrection. Abraham is in his grave awaiting the resurrection. The 'great gulf' between the rich man and Abraham was the gulf between someone of faith dying and a sinner dying. Abraham will come up in the first resurrection, the sinner will come up in the later general resurrection during the White Throne judgment period. The story suggests that Lazarus will also come up in the first resurrection with Abraham.

Regarding the thief on the cross, "today" is believed by many to be the thief's 'next conscious moment' when he is resurrected onto the restored 'paradisal' earth.

 

[The Irish Ram]

it is also a type of eternal death

Hell is the grave, not a place of eternal torment

Is Moses still in the grave?
If Hell is an allegory, Is Heaven also an allegory? What distinguishes the difference between the two for you?

 

[The Irish Ram]

Reconcile what Matthew says with the allegory, and the argument that the dead remain so:

Matthew 27:53 "the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many"
If hell is a story, then so is Matthew 27:53. Am I correct in saying that?

And do I take what Paul says with a grain of salt?
2 Cor. 5:8 Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord.
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That simply does not fit the hell allegory, or that we stay dead, the soul trapped in a rotting body.

 

[Woodznutz]

Is Moses still in the grave?
If Hell is an allegory, Is Heaven also an allegory? What distinguishes the difference between the two for you?

Heaven is catch-all term for eternal life in God's kingdom.