Zone1 Mark of the Beast?

"Come up here" (hither) was said to the two resurrected witnesses.
Hither means here. e.g. "Come hither, your dinner is ready". It is used almost 100 times in the Bible. Come up hither was only used once and was said to John:

Rev. 4. After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
 
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I don't believe in the "rapture." I believe in the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD at Christs return

The "rapture" is a Protestant explanation for the Catholic belief that the dead go out immediately to heaven. They do not. The saints sleep in the grave until He returns and commands us, "Come up here!"

At our resurrection we meet Him in the clouds and land with Him on the Mt of Olive.

Our future is Jerusalem NOT heaven.

Hither means here. e.g. "Come hither, your dinner is ready". It is used almost 100 times in the Bible. Come up hither was only used once and was said to John:

Rev. 4. After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
Revelation 11:12 KJV
And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
 
Are you Jewish? Jacob's troubles describes Israel. 1/3 of Jacob's people are going to die in the next war. And then 1/3 of what's left is going to die. Only a remnant of the Jewish population will survive what is coming.
Jacob's trouble involves all Israel, not just the Jews

Ezekiel 5
:4 Then take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire; for thereof shall a fire come forth into all the house of Israel.
 
Jacob's trouble involves all Israel, not just the Jews

Ezekiel 5
:4 Then take of them again, and cast them into the midst of the fire, and burn them in the fire; for thereof shall a fire come forth into all the house of Israel.
The house of Israel describes the descendants of Jacob. Will non Jews in Israel die if Israel gets nuked, yes. But the House of Israel refers to the Jews.
 
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That is end time prophesy and has not been uttered yet. It will be, but until then only John has heard the phrase "Come up hither."
And at the resurrection of the dead, at His return , you will too.

"hither" is considered an old-fashioned or literary way of saying "here," meaning while they essentially refer to the same place, "hither" has a slightly more formal or archaic feel to it; you would typically say "come here" instead of "come hither" in everyday conversation
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Much of what God does is conditional. If you do this, I will do this. e.g. If you accept the gift Christ died to give you, I will remember your sins no more. On the other hand, His love for us is unconditional. He sees us as little lambs, in need of a shepherd.
His love may be unconditional but his forgiveness is not.
 
And at the resurrection of the dead, at His return , you will too.
Then you toss Luke? And Matthew, and Paul and Peter? The Bible explains in detail Abraham's Bosom and Hell. And is Paul still dead? Was he lying about being present with the Lord when we die or just misinformed?
 
The house of Israel describes the descendants of Jacob. Will non Jews in Israel die if Israel gets nuked, yes. But the House of Israel refers to the Jews.
The House of Israel refers to ALL TRIBES/NATIONS of Israel. Those currently in "Israel" are Judah, with a remnant of Levi and Benjamin.

The Lost Tribes will be revealed by the Two Witnesses very soon

"I am your brother, Joseph!"
 

The "House of Israel" refers to the descendants of Jacob (also known as Israel), encompassing the twelve tribes of Israel, and collectively forming the Israelite nation.

Jacob had 12 sons, that become the 12 tribes of Israel.
The house of Israel are God's covenant people.

It has been used to describe Northern Israel, but encompases the gathering of the Jews back home.
If the BIble tells you Jacob's in trouble, it is not referring to Ireland or the UK or America. It means the Jews are in trouble.
 
The house of Israel describes the descendants of Jacob. Will non Jews in Israel die if Israel gets nuked, yes. But the House of Israel refers to the Jews.
In Ezekiel 5 the house of Israel refers to all of Israel, as it states and as the context demonstrates.

In most other uses it refers to the 10 tribes of the northern kingdom, called the house of Israel. The southern kingdom was called the house of Judah.

The term 'house of Israel' was used by Jesus and referred to the descendants of the northern kingdom, the so-called 'lost tribes of Israel' to whom he was "sent only" and where the church was established.
 
The "House of Israel" refers to the descendants of Jacob (also known as Israel), encompassing the twelve tribes of Israel, and collectively forming the Israelite nation.

Jacob had 12 sons, that become the 12 tribes of Israel.
The house of Israel are God's covenant people.

It has been used to describe Northern Israel, but encompases the gathering of the Jews back home.
If the BIble tells you Jacob's in trouble, it is not referring to Ireland or the UK or America. It means the Jews are in trouble.
The Lost Tribes are only lost to this world. They are still among us. Otherwise God's promise has failed.

The Jews are known because they alone have kept His identifying sign -- the Sabbath

The rest of the Tribes abandoned Sabbath for pagan Sunday

Yes, America, NW Europe ARE the Tribes of Israel. The Time of JACOB'S Trouble includes US
 
The House of Israel refers to ALL TRIBES/NATIONS of Israel. Those currently in "Israel" are Judah, with a remnant of Levi and Benjamin.

The Lost Tribes will be revealed by the Two Witnesses very soon

"I am your brother, Joseph!"
They have already been revealed, long ago. We know who they are. The Jews know who they are:

Between the amphictyony of the Hellenic world and the duodecimal structure of the tribes of Israel may be the subject of scholarly controversy, but there can be little doubt that this pattern of twelve attributed to the Hebrew tribes is very real and historically rooted. Thus, if one tribe were to withdraw from the union or to be absorbed into another, the number twelve would be preserved, either by splitting one of the remaining tribes into two or by accepting a new tribe into the union. For example, when the tribe of Levi is considered among the twelve tribes, the Joseph tribes are counted as one. However, when Levi is not mentioned, the Joseph tribes are counted separately as Manasseh and Ephraim. For the same duodecimal considerations, Simeon is counted as a tribe even after having been absorbed into Judah, and Manasseh even after having split in two, is considered one.

The House of Israel, refers to the Jews. Jacob's troubles refers to the Jews. It does not refer to the House of Jones, or Smith, or Smyth, or O'Brian.

In Isaiah 11:11, God promised to stretch out his hand to regather Israel from the four corners of the earth “a second time” (the first time being from the lands of the Babylonian exile).
We know from Hosea 3:4-5 that it would occur in the last days. Amos 9:15 tells us that they will never be uprooted again.
The shit hits the fan when the Antichrist defiles their new Jewish Temple. That starts WW3. And Jacob is going to be hammered. We will all be drawn into the mess. Nukes will fly in every direction on earth. Even after Christ returns, there are objects that the Jews are told not to touch, but to flag so it can be removed by officials. That sounds like radioactive debris but isn't directly referred to as such.

Our Bible is about the Jews from Genesis to Rev. when Jesus sets up His kingdom among them. We Gentiles, whom Jesus referred to as dogs, were lucky enough to be grafted in to the Jewish line due to the faith of a Gentile woman:

Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table
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His love may be unconditional but his forgiveness is not.
The disciples asked Jesus how many times they were required to forgive. The Jews forgave 3 times. Christ responded as often as is necessary:
Matthew 18:21-22 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
It symbolizes God's eternal forgiveness.
 
The term 'house of Israel' was used by Jesus and referred to the descendants of the northern kingdom, the so-called 'lost tribes of Israel' to whom he was "sent only" and where the church was established
Christ's church was established in Jerusalem, the capital of the Southern Kingdom, by Peter. 3,000 Jews accepted Christ on the first day.
 
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And at the resurrection of the dead, at His return , you will too.

"hither" is considered an old-fashioned or literary way of saying "here," meaning while they essentially refer to the same place, "hither" has a slightly more formal or archaic feel to it; you would typically say "come here" instead of "come hither" in everyday conversation.
Ok, explain this to me. If the rapture doesn't take place until Jesus returns to earth, or as some believe, never takes place at all, then Jesus is not married when He returns, which is odd since the Marriage Feast of the Lamb, when His Bride< us, is gathered to Heaven, takes place in Heaven, before He returns. And before the bride is presented to Him in Heaven, we have the Bema Seat of Christ, in Heaven, where we receive crowns for works done for Jesus'sake.
Explain to me how none of that happens, because we aren't up there, because we are dead until He returns to earth.
What do I do with those Biblical facts?
 
Christ's church was established in Jerusalem, the capital of the Southern Kingdom, by Peter. 3,000 Jews accepted Christ on the first day.
Although the church began (formally) at that time it wasn't established until the Reformation.

That Jesus 'appeared' to the Jews first was a spiritual formality as God never intended that Jesus begin his church among the Jews. He was "sent only" to the lost sheep of the house of Israel which had been scattered throughout northern Europe at the time. He also ministered to the remnant still living in the region of Galilee.

By the end of the first century the original church was largely scattered, the disciples martyred, and Jewish Christians persecuted. By the fourth century Rome had coopted the religion and the false church arose.

. Revelation 12 reveals that the church would go into hiding until the Reformation period. It wasn't finally established until it was finally free from Roman persecution.
 
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The disciples asked Jesus how many times they were required to forgive. The Jews forgave 3 times. Christ responded as often as is necessary:
Matthew 18:21-22 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
It symbolizes God's eternal forgiveness.
Read the Lord’s Prayer for the condition.
 
The Lost Tribes are only lost to this world. They are still among us. Otherwise God's promise has failed.

The Jews are known because they alone have kept His identifying sign -- the Sabbath

The rest of the Tribes abandoned Sabbath for pagan Sunday

Yes, America, NW Europe ARE the Tribes of Israel. The Time of JACOB'S Trouble includes US
Carl in Mecca who said the following?

Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against…

You claim to be a Christian yet it appears you reside in Mecca, which is kind of weird.

Now you support the genocide in Gaza. Do you think God supports you?
 
You seem to be hung up on the Lord's Prayer, Ding. Is it your contention that we have to forgive others before God forgives us?
If it is, then it is backwards. We were forgiven first and then told to forgive others:
Ephesians 4:32 - Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave<{past tense} you.

We were loved and forgiven even if we don't meet the condition:
Romans 5:6–8: God demonstrates his love for us by sending his Son to die for us while we were still sinners.

Our debt was paid out of love, before we were even born. Our sins, past, present, and future, were nailed to the cross. Christ paid for them 2,000 years ago. And gave us His sin free record in return.
Ephesians 1:4–5: God chose us in him before the foundation of the world for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ.

Does God expect certain behavior from us? Yes. Can we let God down? Yes. Does that change the way he feels about us? No. His love is unconditional. We don't earn it:
Ephesians 2:4–5: "But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions".
God hates sin, but He loves the sinner.

I grew up with a loving father and there were conditions. "Get straight A's and I'll buy you that XXXXX you want."
Or, "Do that again and I'll beat your ass". And I would and he did.
Did that alter the love my father had for me? Not one bit. He loved me unconditionally, no matter how many times I ran afoul, or how many times I was corrected.

God's love for us is unconditional.
 
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