Zone1 Mark of the Beast?

[Donald H]

There is no beast and there is no mark. It's all now accepted as only allegorical bullsh-t by even the Catholic church.

 

[The Irish Ram]

The Mark ON THE FOREHEAD of God's Church

In contrast to this mark of the beast is Revelation 3:12, where Jesus said he would write God’s name on those who are victorious. And in Revelation 7:3, a mark is put on the forehead of the servants of God, a mark that in Revelation 14:1 is identified as the names of Jesus and the Father.

So the Church won't be able to buy or sell without the mark? Because that is the end result of the definition in Rev.

Rev. 14:1 describes the Messianic Jews from each tribe, who are marked to prevent them from being killed, just like God saved Cain. Those Jews will preach the gospel in the very treacherous end time.
Do you pick and choose the meaning of forehead? Sometimes it means part of the head, sometimes it means the whole head, sometimes it's a mark sometimes it means a choice...
When the Bible tells you about a mark and even goes so far as to tell us where it will be placed, then that is where it will be placed. No need to analyze.

 

[d0gbreath]

Looks dumb as shit walking around like that is all I know.

The Hindus use that red stuff. The younger guys have it in the palm of their hand instead of the forehead.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Biblical literalism is a cult.

So is Christianity:
Cult ~ a group of people who share extreme beliefs and practices, often led by a charismatic figure.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Some of you will be waiting for something that will never happen. Meanwhile you've already accepted the Mark if the Beast

It is happening now. You can't buy or sell in China without the correct app. What about the RFID chips that are being embedded under the skin? It is a very small leap to the chip regulated by the government.

I don't know one Catholic that I was raised with that is going to hell for going to a Catholic Church. They are wonderful Christians who love Jesus and happen to have rosaries. They will set their rosary down at the gate, and their crowns at Jesus' feet.

 

[The Irish Ram]

And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt.
9 And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes that the LORD’S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads

That is a mixture of two completely different timelines. God calling the Israelites out of Egypt, vs the 144,000 Messianic Jews that preach during the end times.

 

[Woodznutz]

The beast is in End Time prophecy. None of which fits the Roman profile.
Before the beast makes an appearance, God gathers His people to Israel. They were already in Israel during the Roman Empire.
Who were the two prophets that the world watched as they were slain and then returned to life? We have satellites to be able to watch that in real time, now. What channel did the Romans tune into to fulfill that end time prophesy?
When did Christ touch down on the Mt. of Olives and cause it to split in half, during the Roman occupation? It remains in one piece to this day, because it doesn't happen until the end time.

Iteration is repetition. Rome has nothing to do with Israel today, and hasn't for a long, long time. The battle they are facing now is between Isaac and Ishmael. Muslim against Jew.

The King of the North will take care of Islam.

 

[The Irish Ram]

They will go through the Great Tribulation

Then the Bible is a liar. It says that those who follow Christ are not appointed to God's wrath. It doesn't exclude Catholics.
If you accept Jesus as your savior and repent of your sins, then your name is written in the Book of Life and will be raptured prior to God's wrath.

If you don't believe in Hell, what do you do with all the scripture that not only tells us where Hell is, but who is there and why? Where is the rich man right now? Is He thirsty? How would you know?
Jesus told us more about Hell than He did about Heaven. Jesus doesn’t only reference hell, he describes it in great detail:

a place of eternal torment (Luke 16:23), of unquenchable fire (Mark 9:43), where the worm does not die (Mark 9:48), where people will gnash their teeth in anguish and regret (Matt. 13:42), and from which there is no return, even to warn loved ones (Luke 16:19–31). He calls hell a place of “outer darkness” (Matt. 25:30), comparing it to “Gehenna” (Matt. 10:28)

I am surprised that you don't believe Hell. Do you believe in Heaven, or is it symbolic too?

 

[The Irish Ram]

There is no beast and there is no mark. It's all now accepted as only allegorical bullsh-t by even the Catholic church.

Hardly:
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

 

[buttercup]

Then the Bible is a liar. It says that those who follow Christ are not appointed to God's wrath. It doesn't exclude Catholics.
If you accept Jesus as your savior and repent of your sins, then your name is written in the Book of Life.

If you don't believe in Hell, what do you do with all the scripture that not only tells us where Hell is, but who is there and why? Where is the rich man right now? Is He thirsty? How would you know?
Jesus told us more about Hell than He did about Heaven. Jesus doesn’t only reference hell, he describes it in great detail:

a place of eternal torment (Luke 16:23), of unquenchable fire (Mark 9:43), where the worm does not die (Mark 9:48), where people will gnash their teeth in anguish and regret (Matt. 13:42), and from which there is no return, even to warn loved ones (Luke 16:19–31). He calls hell a place of “outer darkness” (Matt. 25:30), comparing it to “Gehenna” (Matt. 10:28)

I am surprised that you don't believe Hell. Do you believe in Heaven, or is it symbolic too?

The tribulation and God's wrath are two entirely different things. We will go through the tribulation. But not God's wrath, of course.

But apart from that, I agree with what you've been saying... about the mark of the beast being something that hasn't happened yet (but we're getting very close.)

You're right that the bible is clear about it being related to not being able to buy or sell without it. Which means it's not about the RCC moving the Sabbath to the wrong day.

I can't believe this thread pulled me out of the break I was going to take from here. lol.

But I'm just popping in for a minute.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Then you don't believe in the rapture? Or the 7 seals of Judgment God unleashes during the end times?

Rev. 3:10
"Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth.

1 Thess.4:16-18 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet-call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

 

[buttercup]

Then you don't believe in the rapture? Or the 7 seals of Judgment God unleashes during the end times?

Who me? I believe in the rapture, it is biblical. But pre-trib is false. (That's why Hollywood promotes it.)

The rapture happens on the last day, immediately after the tribulation.

 

[Woodznutz]

It is happening now. You can't buy or sell in China without the correct app. What about the RFID chips that are being embedded under the skin? It is a very small leap to the chip regulated by the government.

I don't know one Catholic that I was raised with that is going to hell for going to a Catholic Church. They are wonderful Christians who love Jesus and happen to have rosaries. They will set their rosary down at the gate, and their crowns at Jesus' feet.

We once had "Sunday laws". No commerce on that day. It was an invention of the Catholic church and accepted by all others until it was deemed to be unconstitutional.

Blue law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Donald H]

We once had "Sunday laws". No commerce on that day. It was an invention of the Catholic church and accepted by all others until it was deemed to be unconstitutional.

There is no hell and there's nobody going there.

Get serious! It's all allegorical bullsh-t!

And there are more allegorical interpretations of it than Americans have mass shootings.

ALLEGORY Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster​

Allegory is a more or less symbolic fictional narrative that conveys a secondary meaning (or meanings) not explicitly set forth in the literal narrative. Parables, myths, and fables are all …

 

[Woodznutz]

Then the Bible is a liar. It says that those who follow Christ are not appointed to God's wrath. It doesn't exclude Catholics.
If you accept Jesus as your savior and repent of your sins, then your name is written in the Book of Life and will be raptured prior to God's wrath.

If you don't believe in Hell, what do you do with all the scripture that not only tells us where Hell is, but who is there and why? Where is the rich man right now? Is He thirsty? How would you know?
Jesus told us more about Hell than He did about Heaven. Jesus doesn’t only reference hell, he describes it in great detail:

a place of eternal torment (Luke 16:23), of unquenchable fire (Mark 9:43), where the worm does not die (Mark 9:48), where people will gnash their teeth in anguish and regret (Matt. 13:42), and from which there is no return, even to warn loved ones (Luke 16:19–31). He calls hell a place of “outer darkness” (Matt. 25:30), comparing it to “Gehenna” (Matt. 10:28)

I am surprised that you don't believe Hell. Do you believe in Heaven, or is it symbolic too?

The wages of sin is death, not eternal life in torment.

 

[Woodznutz]

There is no hell and there's nobody going there.

Get serious! It's all allegorical bullsh-t!

And there are more allegorical interpretations of it than Americans have mass shootings.

ALLEGORY Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster​

Allegory is a more or less symbolic fictional narrative that conveys a secondary meaning (or meanings) not explicitly set forth in the literal narrative. Parables, myths, and fables are all …

I think you are responding to the wrong post.

 

[Woodznutz]

There is no beast and there is no mark. It's all now accepted as only allegorical bullsh-t by even the Catholic church.

The RCC would take that position.

 

[buttercup]

The Irish Ram - This guy was an advocate of the pre-trib rapture for years, but he changed his mind after he had a lot of spare time to deeply study the scriptures... and now he's like "I don't know how I didn't see it before."

Here's a short video on it, less than a minute long...

 

[The Irish Ram]

Who me? I believe in the rapture, it is biblical. But pre-trib is false. (That's why Hollywood promotes it.)

The rapture happens on the last day, immediately after the tribulation.

Immediately after the Tribulation, Jesus sets up His Millennial reign. He has touched down on the earth and remains here. What would be the sense in taking us out of the earth to meet Him in the sky when He is already down here? In the rapture, we go to Him, He doesn't come to earth to gather us. We are the saints that come back with Him when he appears on earth during the tribulation at the Mt. of Olives to prevent the destruction of all life here on earth.
ek. It means out of. He takes us out of the misery that is coming. What sense would it make for Him to take us out after the fact? Where does He take us to after the Tribulation, because He is here at that point. At the rapture He is in the clouds, not on earth.

There is a debate as to when the rapture takes place. Pre, mid or post trib. Since only the Father knows, all we can do is speculate.

 

[The Irish Ram]

We once had "Sunday laws". No commerce on that day. It was an invention of the Catholic church and accepted by all others until it was deemed to be unconstitutional.

Blue law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I hated Blue Sunday. Nothing to do in town. But was not unconstitutional.

The Supreme Court has acknowledged the religious origins of blue laws but has upheld them as constitutional when supported by secular justifications, such as a uniform day of rest.
The Court has cited secular bases like securing a day of rest for workers and families, contributing to societal stability, and guaranteeing the free exercise of religion.
The Blue laws, also known as Sunday closing laws or Sabbath laws, emerged in England and colonial America to protect the Christian Sabbath.